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Weight Loss Forum / General Topics / August 2004Eat Right For Your Blood Type
Has anyone done or doing this diet? I am so interested in this diet and would like to know why there are not many people mentioning this diet. I think this is the best! Are you exercising now? Are you planning to increase your exercise? People here are going for good health and they know that they have to exercise to be healthy. It doesn't mean you can eat as much as you want. Plus if you read the postings you will see lots of rejection of magic bullets. Start an exercise program, eat a wide variety of high fiber low fat food, keep your portion sizes and numbers limited. > Has anyone done or doing this diet? I am so interested in this diet and > would like to know why there are not many people mentioning this diet. > > I think this is the best! > Has anyone done or doing this diet? I am so interested in this diet and > would like to know why there are not many people mentioning this diet. That's because that "diet" is bogus, and has no scientific basis. The only value in that diet was the $$ the author raked in from selling books to gullible people desperate for a simplistic solution. GG > That's because that "diet" is bogus, and has no scientific basis. The only > value in that diet was the $$ the author raked in from selling books to > gullible people desperate for a simplistic solution. Hm. And here I thought Bob Atkins was dead. >>That's because that "diet" is bogus, and has no scientific basis. The only >>value in that diet was the $$ the author raked in from selling books to >>gullible people desperate for a simplistic solution. > > Hm. And here I thought Bob Atkins was dead. About as dead as your credibility. Say, did you ever look it up after I showed you that you didn't know what it meant? Bob I missed the beginning of this conversation but I looked into that book before doing Atkins and I think it makes perfect scientific sense if you read it from front to back.;) I also followed it religiously and lost a little weight before switching to Atkins. The food allowance is too structured in my opinion on the ERFYBT book I am a type 0+ and I just decided that since I am already a meat eater Atkins might be good. (of course I eat plenty of veggies as well) I have often thought of switching to ERFYBT after I get to goal. Not going above my carb limit of course, but adding things like spelt pasta and sweet potato. Who knows, It's been a while since I have read that book. For now, I am sticking with Atkins. just my thoughts. hugs, Tonya www.lowcarbcrew.com > >>That's because that "diet" is bogus, and has no scientific basis. The only > >>value in that diet was the $$ the author raked in from selling books to [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Bob >I missed the beginning of this conversation but I looked into that book >before doing Atkins and I think it makes perfect scientific sense if you [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >potato. Who knows, It's been a while since I have read that book. For now, I >am sticking with Atkins. Well, I haven't read this book, but I am also an O+ and have lost just fine on a balanced diet. I see no reason to think blood type makes any difference. Most diets work for a large number of people if they follow them carefully, hence there's significant anecdotal evidence that every popular diet works. Probably most people could take any of the recommended eating plans in the blood type diet book, follow it, and lose weight. Chris 262/141/ (145-150) > Most diets work for a large number of people if they > follow them carefully, hence there's significant anecdotal evidence > that every popular diet works. Probably most people could take any of > the recommended eating plans in the blood type diet book, follow it, > and lose weight. That's actually the problem. *All* diets will lead to weight loss. Even the most stupid ones. Even the all-cookies diet. Hence, the ability to make people lose weight is not a good evaluation of a diet quality. The problem is with maintaining weight loss long term. And I mean really long term (like, 5 years), not at the 1-2 years horizon where "long term" evaluation is often done. When evaluations are performed long term, it doesn't look good for most diets (including surgery) actually. > Has anyone done or doing this diet? I am so interested in this diet and > would like to know why there are not many people mentioning this diet. > > I think this is the best! Well, it's utter nonsense, for one thing. Diet books sells diets. We give knowledge away for free. Are you buying or learning? Dally >> Has anyone done or doing this diet? I am so interested in >> this diet and would like to know why there are not many [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Dally Coming soon: Dally's "Get a Grip" no-diet book! ;)  Signature--------------- "Teach a child to read and he or her will be able to pass a literacy test."?George W Bush, Townsend, Tenn., Feb. 21, 2001 >>>Has anyone done or doing this diet? I am so interested in >>>this diet and would like to know why there are not many [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Coming soon: Dally's "Get a Grip" no-diet book! ;) Nope. I'll just put Krista's link in my sig file. http://www.stumptuous.com/weights.html (read the Eating section) Dally > Has anyone done or doing this diet? I am so interested in this diet and > would like to know why there are not many people mentioning this diet. > > I think this is the best! think about the concept for a moment. Our bodies were 'designed' hundreds of thousands of years ago, and havn't evolved much over the past tens of thousands of years. People from thousands of years ago didn't know their blood type, and managed to survive without getting obese. what's changed between then and now? sugar. refined, cheap and copious amounts of sugar. Drop the sugar, exercise more, and get plenty of protein, vitamins and essential fats. The rest will take care of itself. >> Has anyone done or doing this diet? I am so interested in >> this diet and would like to know why there are not many [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > vitamins and essential fats. The rest will take care of > itself. Sugar, yes. Also, to a great degree, exercise. Even as recently as 100-120 years ago most of the civilized world was agrarian and worked the fields all day. Then industrial. Now we sit on our a.ses and type (like I'm doing!) We have to 'make' time to exercise, rather than it being integrated. Signature--------------- "Teach a child to read and he or her will be able to pass a literacy test."?George W Bush, Townsend, Tenn., Feb. 21, 2001 > Sugar, yes. Also, to a great degree, exercise. Even as > recently as 100-120 years ago most of the civilized world was > agrarian and worked the fields all day. Then industrial. Now > we sit on our a.ses and type (like I'm doing!) We have to > 'make' time to exercise, rather than it being integrated. Another thing that changed is dietetical innocence. Back then, people didn't know how to eat properly, so they relied their own hunger and appetite. One of the side effect of exercise, outside of just burning calories, is added body consciousness. People who exercise tend to be better tuned to their body and feelings. Now, everyone knows about carbs, proteins, caloric needs and all. And obesity is increasing at a dramatic pace. Ironic isn't it? > Now, everyone knows about carbs, proteins, caloric needs and all. And > obesity is increasing at a dramatic pace. Ironic isn't it? I strongly disagree with your first sentence. In my experience, most people can't tell you a wild guess at the macronutrient ratio of what they eat within 20%. And they have NO IDEA how many calories they eat or even how many calories they OUGHT to eat. SO, obesity is increasing at a dramatic pace. Makes sense, doesn't it? Dally > I strongly disagree with your first sentence. > > In my experience, most people can't tell you a wild guess at the > macronutrient ratio of what they eat within 20%. And they have NO IDEA > how many calories they eat or even how many calories they OUGHT to eat. Maybe that's different in the USA, I was taught basic dietetic notions like that at school, when I was 12... The fact remain that most people do have *some* notion of what eating right is. Have you looked at some of the theories on obesity that were the norm a few centuries ago? Some *doctors* believed obesity was caused by water and salt, others that it was glandular... I mean, if you look at some of the diets back then, some are really scary-funny... Like one doctor who recommended to eat as much potatoes, bread and meat as possible, but to avoid food with too much water, like vegetables - because "obesity is caused by water whose hydrogen bounded with carbs to form fats". Or that English doctor who recommended to eat white bread instead of whole bread and to eat soap to dissolve the fat. Compared to that, our current level of knowledge is infinitely better. That 20% margin is very good actually. I mean, even making the difference between food that is fat or high in carb is already a lot compared to what was available to the people back then. Even knowing that eating too much will make you fat is a knowledge that was *not* available to most people centuries ago. Likewise for the link between sedentarity and obesity - a notion doctors of the past did not agree on, many adviced to exercise as little as possible to lose weight. There is a difference between not *knowing* something and not *acting* according to that knowledge. I believe people do *know* a lot nowadays. Even if you do believe the average level of knowledge is that low, which I highly doubt, it's still not lower than it was before. At the other end of the spectrum, animals have zero dietetic knowledge and remain slim just fine. Getting an animal fat involves domesticating it, keeping it in captivity, cross-breeding it for generations, cutting off his sexual glandes, feeding it frankenfood *and* putting it through a psychological loop to stimulate its eating (like what happens to many obese sugar-mommie pets). And even with all that, it's hard work to get pets to super-obese range. I would say that's pretty good result if you consider they don't even know what calories are... >>I strongly disagree with your first sentence. >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > that at school, when I was 12... The fact remain that most people do have > *some* notion of what eating right is. You went to school in France? I won't presume to know what French schoolchildren are taught, but I assure you that I grew up with no similar body of knowledge, and based on conversations I have with British, Australian and other North American people I would be highly suspect that only the U.S. got rotten nutritional educations. > Have you looked at some of the > theories on obesity that were the norm a few centuries ago? Some *doctors* > believed obesity was caused by water and salt, others that it was > glandular... I mean, if you look at some of the diets back then, some are > really scary-funny... <snip funny theories> > Even knowing that eating too much will > make you fat is a knowledge that was *not* available to most people > centuries ago. You're joking, I hope. Anyone who has ever fattened an animal for slaughter (and that would be humans for the past 10,000 years) knows about this. > Even if you do believe the average level of > knowledge is that low, which I highly doubt, it's still not lower than it > was before. I think you're wrong, because I think people got side-tracked with wrong information. The USDA food pyramid, for example, is laughably wrong. And before that we had the "four food groups" - also wrong. My grandmother knew more about dieting than anyone else I know and she cited her eating regimen that her mother taught her. She said to eat my vegetables, eat a balanced diet, that fish was good for my brain and it was good to have a drink now and then. Science has been catching up with my Grandma my whole life. Dally > You went to school in France? Yes, I'm French. > I won't presume to know what French > schoolchildren are taught, but I assure you that I grew up with no > similar body of knowledge, and based on conversations I have with > British, Australian and other North American people I would be highly > suspect that only the U.S. got rotten nutritional educations. That's weird. I'm not claiming we got the latest breakthrough in nutrition, but we did get *several* lessons on basic stuff. Twice in junior high school, at the first year and last year (same year as sexual education), and then again during high school as part of the scientific options (this one getting more serious with the whole metabolism and ATP cycle). All part of the biology lessons. In junior high school, pretty everyone learnt basic stuff like the different macro-nutriments, our equivalent of your FDA food pyramid (421 version here - 4 carbs for 2 proteins for 1 fat), how calories work... My gf is a pure non-scientist, yet she remembers the basic pretty well, so it's not just only me ;) And this was fifteen years ago. Since then, they have put more emphasis on this. I will have to ask my younger sister, but I'm pretty sure she already received some basic lessons even in primary school. Moreover, they also get extra-curricular information. My mother works at a nursery school, and *all* similar schooles have a yearly event when kids are taught about the various tastes (what are the basic tastes, how various food tastes, making them try various food and spices...), which is actually a pretty good idea I think. Not to mention that all the meals are checked by a dietitian (that's a legal obligation), so the kids at least know how a balanced meal is supposed to look. While looking at my 11 y.o. sister magazines, I also noticed quite a lot (too much IMHO) information on diets. She's very aware that eating too much causes obesity, that obesity can kill you, that fat is bad and stuff like that. Just like she knows smoking kills you. I have been reminded plenty enough of all that from her! > > Even knowing that eating too much will > > make you fat is a knowledge that was *not* available to most people [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > slaughter (and that would be humans for the past 10,000 years) knows > about this. Obviously, the doctors back then didn't know about that... But the general populace was probably wiser... However, do you really think that nowadays people do not even have that *basic* knowledge? I mean, when you talk to obese people, they are well aware that they are not eating like they should, that they should exercise and go on a diet and stuff like that. It's only that they somehow don't manage to *do* it. At least, that's my experience here... If it's not yours, then something is awfully wrong in the USA... I mean, even wronger than it looks... > I think you're wrong, because I think people got side-tracked with wrong > information. I didn't say otherwise ;) I did say people have access to a bunch of information, from their education to the magazines. I didn't say it was the correct one. The problem is that each generation of doctor think he has the Truth. The doctors with the funny water theory are not different from the doctors who prescribed fasting in the fifties, and the ones who prescribed the proteidic diet a few decades ago (some still do actually). But my point is that people seemed to do better with *no* information at all. I mean, two centuries ago, most people did not know how to read or count, I doubt they were counting calories. Contrary to what some people think, they also had plenty enough to eat to become obese - back then, the average French ate more than 1.5kg of bread a day, you could certainly get any westerner fat with similar food. *Some* people were poor, but not that poor. If people managed to do fine with no special knowledge, and without specific diets (because I doubt most people went to see a doctor to get one), maybe we're going the wrong way by trying to solve the problem with stuffing people with medical information... > My grandmother knew more about dieting than anyone else I know and she > cited her eating regimen that her mother taught her. That's what I call "cultural eating". All cultures have developped a set of recipes that form their culinary culture. And if you look at them, you realize most of them are very clever. A lot aim to lower the glycemic index (which is important if you're hungry). The Indians managed to create a viable vegetarian diet, without any "scientific" knowledge, which is quite a feat. Many managed to find a quite perfect equilibrium between the different fat sources... If you look at the USA (and Europe to a lesser extent), both the food industry and the dietitians have worked at destroying or perverting all existing cultural eating during the past century... > She said to eat my > vegetables, eat a balanced diet, that fish was good for my brain and it > was good to have a drink now and then. Yes, but the grandma of the futur will follow the advice of her doctor or read women magazines... That's exactly what the majority of the people are doing... Including the obese ones (or at least, they're trying and repetitively failing)... >> You went to school in France? > [quoted text clipped - 109 lines] > ones (or at least, they're trying and repetitively > failing)... We had "Health" once a month in place of "Gym" but it was largely a joke and had every conceivable topic of health in 50 minutes a month! Signature--------------- "Teach a child to read and he or her will be able to pass a literacy test."?George W Bush, Townsend, Tenn., Feb. 21, 2001 >>>I strongly disagree with your first sentence. >>> [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > > Dally I don't think the food pyramid is laughably wrong, just difficult to follow and few people do. They are amending it, though. Just my opinion, but I think overconsumtion of surgar is the overwhelming culprit in obestity. That includes all the high fructose crap we often aren't even aware that we're consuming. Signature--------------- "Teach a child to read and he or her will be able to pass a literacy test."?George W Bush, Townsend, Tenn., Feb. 21, 2001 > Has anyone done or doing this diet? I am so interested in this diet and > would like to know why there are not many people mentioning this diet. > > I think this is the best! Because it doesn't work. Blood type has nothing to do with what you should eat. > Has anyone done or doing this diet? I am so interested in this diet and > would like to know why there are not many people mentioning this diet. > > I think this is the best! Before I started Atkins a friend told me about this book. I am O-, so what she was saying sounded vaguely low-carb. She liked it because her uncle lost a lot of weight with it, which convinced others in her family to give it a try. That worked, and basically they all came to use it if needed. Now, I was fairly skeptical. I looked up reviews on the web. Amazon gave what I thought was a good feel overall - basically, it only got extremes - mostly 1 or 5 stars, with some 2 or 4 stars. The low end were primarily people saying it made no sense, with a smattering of people that tried it and it didn't work. The high ratings were people who tried it and it worked. All in all, I didn't have a consistant feeling, and instead went with Atkin (DANDR) and am quite happy. My feeling is that he probably has something that works for some people, but his explanations do not really explain it. Cheers, =Blue |
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