hi,
I'm new to the group, and I'm trying to read enough to figure out who is
into the flame wars, and who will be good for advising me. So far,
it's a lot less flame based than many other groups.
I spent most of my childhood battling the pudgy kid look. As a gal in my
twenties I slimmed down and dropped to a size five, staying that way for
nearly fifteen years. When I hit thirty five, I started developing signs
of a genetic illness, and ended up gaining nearly seventy pounds. I'm
five foot three, (okay 5-2 and a half). Three years ago, I dropped
sixty-three of the seventy pounds. I was able to keep all of it off,
fortunately with little effort. It almost seemed that perimenopausal me
was destined to be thinner.
Then I got put on prednisone. I gained twenty pounds while on it, and
then dropped fifteen, slowly, after getting off of it. Now I'm on
specific pain and other medications, and I see that I've been steadily
gaining at least two pounds a month in the last few months.
I've cut WAY back on portions, and I've got an appointment with a
nutritionist. Because of my illness, I'm losing ability to use my
joints, and exercise is limited to isometrics and non-weight bearing
strenghtening physical therapy. I'm getting married in April, and I want
to get back to my "I feel great at this weight" feeling. That may mean
I'm a size five again, or it may mean a seven. It just means I don't
want to feel overweight and I don't want the joints to feel worse
because I've gained so much on this medication.
I know twenty pounds doesn't sound like a lot to most people, but on
someone my frame, it's enormous. Any advice, help, and encouragement
anyone can offer, I'm all for. I'll do the same.
Thanks
Cathe
PL - 27 Aug 2004 22:13 GMT
> I know twenty pounds doesn't sound like a lot to most people, but on
> someone my frame, it's enormous. Any advice, help, and encouragement
> anyone can offer, I'm all for. I'll do the same.
> Thanks
Hi Cathe! I'm pretty new here myself and the support I've gotten here has
been a great help. I'm sure you'll find plenty of knowledgeable people
willing to help you along. I just wanted to say welcome!

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(First mini-goal: 299 Reached! 08/26/04)
(Second mini-goal: 279)
Cathe B - 28 Aug 2004 03:40 GMT
> Hi Cathe! I'm pretty new here myself and the support I've gotten here has
> been a great help. I'm sure you'll find plenty of knowledgeable people
> willing to help you along. I just wanted to say welcome!
I've been catching up on the posts and it seems like a great group of
people.
C
JS - 29 Aug 2004 11:59 GMT
I tend to agree with that!
> > Hi Cathe! I'm pretty new here myself and the support I've gotten here has
> > been a great help. I'm sure you'll find plenty of knowledgeable people
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>
> C
Gloria - 29 Aug 2004 16:44 GMT
Wellcome!! Please post often and stick around:) I've been here for a
very LONG while and this IS a very good group . Just read the ones who
help you and stay away from the ones that don't ! Strength will come if
you stay around with others who are going downthis same path .
Good to meet you, Cathe !!!!!
glo
Ignoramus30209 - 28 Aug 2004 00:20 GMT
It sounds like we should be taking your advice, and not the other way
around.
i
> hi,
> I'm new to the group, and I'm trying to read enough to figure out who is
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>
> Cathe
Cathe B - 28 Aug 2004 03:41 GMT
> It sounds like we should be taking your advice, and not the other way
> around.
>
> i
genetics helped..and I used to work out over three hours a day at my
best weight. Also did horseback riding and swimming... but boy my couch
and I have become close since I got sick.
C
Ignoramus30209 - 28 Aug 2004 03:59 GMT
>> It sounds like we should be taking your advice, and not the other way
>> around.
>
> genetics helped..and I used to work out over three hours a day at my
> best weight. Also did horseback riding and swimming... but boy my couch
> and I have become close since I got sick.
With 3 hours a day exercise, you hardly need good genetics...
I forgot, are you at normal weight now? Or at least very close
(considering your physical build)? If so, then I would not bother with
trying to achieve the ideal perfect weight...
i
Cathe B - 28 Aug 2004 19:30 GMT
> With 3 hours a day exercise, you hardly need good genetics...
>
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>
> i
my body type took to exercise well..
I'm 134, and I want to be 120...it's because of my joint disease I need
to drop so I'm physically not straining them as much.
Cathe
Ignoramus3773 - 28 Aug 2004 19:40 GMT
>> With 3 hours a day exercise, you hardly need good genetics...
>>
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> I'm 134, and I want to be 120...it's because of my joint disease I need
> to drop so I'm physically not straining them as much.
At 5'2", that's pretty good weight. I am not qualified to comment on
your joint issues, except to say that 14 lbs is only 10% of your
weight, but losing 10% of weight could make maintaining your weight
100% harder. It's a tradeoff...
i
Beverly - 28 Aug 2004 02:43 GMT
> hi,
> I'm new to the group, and I'm trying to read enough to figure out who is
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>
> Cathe
Welcome to the group, Cathe. I can certainly relate to the weight gain from
prednisone. I've had to take it a couple times this summer for poison ivy.
Even a few days on it usually results in a 1-2 pound gain for me. I'm 5'3
so I'm aware how much difference just a few pounds can make.
Beverly
Cathe B - 28 Aug 2004 03:46 GMT
> Welcome to the group, Cathe. I can certainly relate to the weight gain from
> prednisone. I've had to take it a couple times this summer for poison ivy.
> Even a few days on it usually results in a 1-2 pound gain for me. I'm 5'3
> so I'm aware how much difference just a few pounds can make.
>
> Beverly
I remember as a kid trying to get poison ivy on purpose so I wouldn't
have to go to school..oh if only that worked! sorry to hear that it is
such a bad issue that they had you on such a strong steroid!
C
JMA - 28 Aug 2004 02:47 GMT
> hi,
> I'm new to the group, and I'm trying to read enough to figure out who is
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>
> Cathe
The only encouragement I can offer is that you've done an amazing job so far
managing your weight over the long term despite numerous obstacles. A
qualified nutritionist sounds like the way to go considering that you need
to get the most nutritional bang for your buck as your exercise is limited.
It helps me eat less to eat more frequently. On a given day I will eat 5-6
times in a day (every 2-3 hours) with a lot of those meals being only
100-200 calories and a reasonable balance of carbs/fat/protein. There are
people who don't care for eating that often and that's fine.
A few people I work with are on the South Beach Diet and some of them lose
weight with very little exercise. I've lost weight on SBD, but I exercise a
lot.
Best of luck with whatever you end up doing.
Jenn
Cathe B - 28 Aug 2004 03:43 GMT
> The only encouragement I can offer is that you've done an amazing job so far
> managing your weight over the long term despite numerous obstacles. A
> qualified nutritionist sounds like the way to go considering that you need
> to get the most nutritional bang for your buck as your exercise is limited.
Thanks.. I've also been talking to my gyno to see if the birth control
pills that were given to me a few months back weren't also an issue.
> It helps me eat less to eat more frequently. On a given day I will eat 5-6
> times in a day (every 2-3 hours) with a lot of those meals being only
> 100-200 calories and a reasonable balance of carbs/fat/protein. There are
> people who don't care for eating that often and that's fine.
What is a good balance for c-f-p? I'm a bit lost on this, so I guess the
doc will help me on it.
> A few people I work with are on the South Beach Diet and some of them lose
> weight with very little exercise. I've lost weight on SBD, but I exercise a
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>
> Jenn
Thanks!!
C
JMA - 28 Aug 2004 04:10 GMT
>> The only encouragement I can offer is that you've done an amazing job so
>> far managing your weight over the long term despite numerous obstacles.
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> Thanks.. I've also been talking to my gyno to see if the birth control
> pills that were given to me a few months back weren't also an issue.
BTDT!! I'm taking them strictly for the estrogen these days.
>> It helps me eat less to eat more frequently. On a given day I will eat
>> 5-6 times in a day (every 2-3 hours) with a lot of those meals being only
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> What is a good balance for c-f-p? I'm a bit lost on this, so I guess the
> doc will help me on it.
That's a YMMV kind of thing and depends on your issues. For me,
perimenopause and the VLCD I used to lose a lot of weight have made me
sensitive to wheat so it seems - though not all carbs, plus I have some
medical issues that affect my weight. My ratio has been around 35% fat/40%
protein/25% carb give or take 5% on the carb/protein percentages depending
on if it's a big bean and/or tofu day. The fats I get come primarily from
nuts, avocados, olives and olive oil. It helps me to eat less and feel less
hungry most of the time and as Dally would explain if she weren't otherwise
occupied, it helps your skin and hair look fabulous.
Some experts recommend 40/40/20 (carb/prot/fat) or 40/30/30 or even 50/25/25
so as you can see it's all so relatively close.
Someone on this group will propogate a high saturated fat diet. This is
great if you want to lose your gall bladder ASAP. I already lost mine and
still get sick from too much saturated fat, plus regardless of what this
person will tell you, it's not really advisable to go heavy on saturated
fats. You seem to have enough experience with diet and weight loss to know
that though.
Calorie wise the basic recommendation given here has been to start with 10x
your weight in calories and if that doesn't produce a loss given a
reasonable timeframe, try 9x, then 8x, but try not to go below 8x without a
doctor's supervision.
Some people on this group count portions rather than calories.
Lots of different approaches for lots of different people. The main thing
I've learned and taken to heart is to find a Way of Eating (WOE) that is
comfortable enough for you to stick with - forever (or until the next issue
makes it necessary to change).
HTH
Jenn
Cathe B - 28 Aug 2004 19:34 GMT
> Someone on this group will propogate a high saturated fat diet. This is
> great if you want to lose your gall bladder ASAP. I already lost mine and
> still get sick from too much saturated fat, plus regardless of what this
> person will tell you, it's not really advisable to go heavy on saturated
> fats. You seem to have enough experience with diet and weight loss to know
> that though.
I've lost two friends who had ended up with blood clots on similar
diets. One was 34 when she died. Insane.
> Lots of different approaches for lots of different people. The main thing
> I've learned and taken to heart is to find a Way of Eating (WOE) that is
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>
> Jenn
Great advice.... thanks!
Ignoramus3773 - 28 Aug 2004 19:41 GMT
> I've lost two friends who had ended up with blood clots on similar
> diets. One was 34 when she died. Insane.
What happened to that friend? Did she have any health problems?
i
Cathe B - 28 Aug 2004 20:39 GMT
>>I've lost two friends who had ended up with blood clots on similar
>>diets. One was 34 when she died. Insane.
>
> What happened to that friend? Did she have any health problems?
>
> i
She went diet crazy and only did the bacon, meats, fats route, high
proteins, no carbs, lots of eggs, etc etc... and sadly developed some
blood clotting issues.. not sure how related they are, but she seemed
fine before then. No clear proof, but since it happened that another
friend got the same symptons on the same diet five months later, we kind
of figured the diet helped make that happen.
C
Ignoramus3773 - 28 Aug 2004 21:15 GMT
>>>I've lost two friends who had ended up with blood clots on similar
>>>diets. One was 34 when she died. Insane.
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> friend got the same symptons on the same diet five months later, we kind
> of figured the diet helped make that happen.
Interesting. So, your friend was not even eating any vegetables... I
wonder if that diet was her own invention... Thank you for sharing.
i
Heywood Mogroot - 28 Aug 2004 03:58 GMT
> hi,
> I know twenty pounds doesn't sound like a lot to most people, but on
> someone my frame, it's enormous. Any advice, help, and encouragement
> anyone can offer, I'm all for. I'll do the same.
Well I for one know our experiences differ so dramatically that I
don't have much advice for you.
Except find some sort of expert PT trainer to work with your physical
limitations to get you to burn at least one hour & 500 kcal/day of
quality exercise. Going at it from the diet angle alone is a lot
harder.
Heywood
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jmk - 28 Aug 2004 04:29 GMT
> hi,
> I'm new to the group, and I'm trying to read enough to figure out who is
> into the flame wars, and who will be good for advising me.
Welcome!

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Cplus - 28 Aug 2004 16:15 GMT
> hi,
> I'm new to the group, and I'm trying to read enough to figure out who is
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>
> Cathe
Welcome and good luck!! You'll get all sort of advice from here. Take it
all with a grain of salt. Do your own research and do only what you feel is
right for you. You will also get a tremendous amount of great support that
will go farther then any advice sometimes.
Cp
jmk - 29 Aug 2004 15:46 GMT
> You'll get all sort of advice from here. Take it
> all with a grain of salt. Do your own research and do only what you feel is
> right for you. You will also get a tremendous amount of great support that
> will go farther then any advice sometimes.
<VBG> Cplus makes a good point here. Maybe we should all add YMMV to
our sig files!
-
jmk in NC
SusanLewis - 28 Aug 2004 17:05 GMT
> hi,
> I'm new to the group, and I'm trying to read enough to figure out who is
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>
> Cathe
Welcome to asd Cathe :)
Susan
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Chris Braun - 30 Aug 2004 00:53 GMT
Welcome, Cathe! Since I'm just catching up after a weekend away, for
now I'll just second what others have said. This is a great group.
I've found so much help here and you will too.
I'm sure I'll have more to say in the future :-)
Chris
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A Ross - 30 Aug 2004 13:37 GMT
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> I know twenty pounds doesn't sound like a lot to most
> people, but on
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>
> Cathe
Welcome, Cathe. It doesn't matter how much or how
little you need to lose--some of us here are "just"
maintaining (which can take a *lot* of work).
You'll get a lot of information--some of it
conflicting--so take what you can use and leave the
rest.
Have fun!
Amy
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