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Weight Loss Forum / General Topics / August 2004Cutting calories without fatigue/energy loss
I'd like to lose about 30 pounds. I'm 6'3". I was rail thin as a child. I have gradually gained over the years. I weighted about 170 at 30, about 180 at 40, about 200 at 45, about 210 at 50, and now, at 60, I hover around 235. It doesn't seem to matter much what I eat. If I pig out, I gain a few pounds. I never fluctuate much. I don't really crave food. I would happily skip most meals except that I get feeling weak (low blood sugar?) and then I have a hard time concentrating. I tried Atkins for about 6 months. I lost 15 pounds, but I didn't like how I felt (sluggish) and my cholesterol went off the charts. I have a moderately active life. I play tennis at least once a week and I do some aerobics (30-40 minutes) 3-5 times a week in the morning. I alos have a bench and some dumbbells and do a little weight lifting, but that it less consistent. I'd like a simple program that I can follow easily that won't leave me feeling weak. Should I get a program to keep track of what I eat so at least I know where I am now? Do these programs allow me to enter my weight so that I can see how calorie intake correlates with weight? Is there some way to enter exercise? If so, which programs are best? I have a very busy schedule that sometimes makes it difficult to prepare food. I would like to avoid fast food and snacks. Are there good meal replacements I can get to have on hand for when I can't have a real meal? I would probably enjoy a powder that I could add to milk as well as a healthy snack bar. If so, what brands are best. Thanks  SignatureFor email, use Usenet-20031220 at spamex.com > I'd like to lose about 30 pounds. I'm 6'3". I was rail thin as a > child. I have gradually gained over the years. I weighted about 170 at [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > Thanks With your current exercise program, you probably just need to cut back a bit on your calorie intake and you should begin losing weight. Portion control, and improved food choices should start the process (e.g., eat slightly smaller portions, give up sodas, eat more veggies, etc.) Ideally, you want to lose weight slowly (around 0.5-1 lb per week, or a deficit of 250-500 calories per day). With this rate of weight loss, you should still have adequate energy for your activities. Some folks have had success counting calories, but I find it difficult and time-consuming, especially if you have to eat out much. And, it only addresses one half of the calorie question (calorie intake). For instance, if I eat 2500 calories on Friday, and 3500 calories on Saturday, what does this really mean? Does it mean I screwed up on Saturday? Not necessarily. If I sit at my computer for 10 hours on Friday, but ride my bike 70 miles on Saturday (like I did today), it's entirely possible that I was on track for both days (or even lost more weight on Saturday despite the extra 1000 calories) Because of problems like this, I don't think calorie counting is the answer (although it can be useful when starting a diet/exercise program to help you understand the caloric impact of your typical food choices). <warning - shameless plug mode=on> Because of this, and because of my interests in health-related software and numerical analysis, I recently created a program called "WeightWare" ( http://www.WeightWare.com ) that I think makes the process of staying on track with a weight loss program a lot easier. It's based around frequent weigh-ins, preferably daily, because (as they teach in business school), "you can't improve what you don't measure". Each time you weigh yourself and record it in WeightWare, the program performs some fairly complex analysis on your recorded weigh-ins, and provides you with feedback on how you are doing. Based only on your weigh-ins (i.e., no calorie counting), it will tell you exactly what your recent daily calorie deficit (or surplus) has been. Using the graphs and statistics built into the program, it's easy to tell if your diet and exercise program is on track, and get advanced warning if you are getting of f track. It also tracks body measurements, body fat percentage, and other health-related items (blood pressure, lab tests, etc.). You can download a free, fully functional, 30-day trial version from the website to see if it meets your needs. I'll plan to release a significant update to the program within the next few days (version 2.0), so if you wait until Monday you can download the new version. <warning - shameless plug mode=off> SignatureGG http://www.WeightWare.com Your Weight and Health Diary ><warning - shameless plug mode=on> >Because of this, and because of my interests in health-related software and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >weigh-ins, preferably daily, because (as they teach in business school), >"you can't improve what you don't measure". But you are only measuring one parameter. >Each time you weigh yourself and record it in WeightWare, the program >performs some fairly complex analysis on your recorded weigh-ins, and What "complex analysis" could you possibly do? >provides you with feedback on how you are doing. Based only on your >weigh-ins (i.e., no calorie counting), it will tell you exactly what your >recent daily calorie deficit (or surplus) has been. Using the graphs and >statistics built into the program, it's easy to tell if your diet and >exercise program is on track, and get advanced warning if you are getting of >f track. But how will I know "what" is working? It seems to me that if I had a detailed acocunting of what I ate (intake) and what I did (energy expended) as well as actual weight, THEN I would be able to tell if adding an extra 10 minutes of aerobics each day or skipping the second helping of apple pie was making the difrerence. >It also tracks body measurements, body fat percentage, and other >health-related items (blood pressure, lab tests, etc.). [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >until Monday you can download the new version. ><warning - shameless plug mode=off> SignatureFor email, use Usenet-20031220 at spamex.com > ><warning - shameless plug mode=on> > >Because of this, and because of my interests in health-related software and [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > What "complex analysis" could you possibly do? Several, actually. To filter out the normal daily ups and downs in body weight (2-4 lb fluctuations are common due to hydration levels, bowel movements, time of the month for women, etc.) it calculates your Moving Average Weight using an "exponentially smoothed moving average" technique. Your moving average weight is a better representation of your "true" weight than any daily weigh-in. To calculate your weight trend over time (i.e., your weekly rate of weight change, and your daily calorie deficit/surplus), it uses a technique called "linear regression". This takes your recorded weigh-ins and analyzes it the same way that stock market analysts analyze the daily fluctuations of the stock market (it's also the same way that scientists analyze data in scientific experiments to discern the underlying patterns). These same techniques have been promoted for quite some time for weight loss (e.g., The "Hacker's Diet" http://www.fourmilab.ch/hackdiet/www/hackdiet.html ), but as far as I know they have never been incorporated into an easy-to-use program. > >provides you with feedback on how you are doing. Based only on your > >weigh-ins (i.e., no calorie counting), it will tell you exactly what your [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > But how will I know "what" is working? Well, the "what" is terribly difficult to know - in fact, it may be impossible to know. Count calories in is difficult and time-consuming (though it can be done). Figuring out how many calories you burn each day is substantially more difficult and error-prone. And for weight loss I don't know that it really matters - it's the long term trend that is more important, and that's where WeightWare shines (IMHO :-) ). By keeping track of your weight trend numbers, you can tell whether your diet and exercise program is on track, and get advanced warning if it is getting off track. For instance, last April 18th, my 30-day daily weight trend was -417 calories per day (in other words, I was losing a little over 0.8 lbs per week - a good rate of loss). But, over the next couple of weeks, the trend started moving towards zero. This provided me with several weeks worth of advance notice that my program was getting off track. I became more conscious of my eating habits, and more dedicated to my exercise program until I gradually got it back under control. > It seems to me that if I had a > detailed acocunting of what I ate (intake) and what I did (energy > expended) as well as actual weight, THEN I would be able to tell if > adding an extra 10 minutes of aerobics each day or skipping the second > helping of apple pie was making the difrerence. I just don't think that a detailed accounting is feasible, especially for the energy expended portion of the equation. You can make estimates, but I would be surprised if they were within 20% of actual on most days. And, making those estimates and counting all the calories you eat each day is time-consuming, whereas weighing yourself and recording it in WeightWare takes less than a minute. Compared to calorie counting and calories burned estimating, your daily body weight is precisely known. The analysis of it doesn't tell you whether you should exercise another 10 minutes or skip the pie, but it can tell you (with a high degree of precision) whether or not you are moving in the right direction. With this information, you can decide for yourself how to approach the exercise and the pie. In your case, with a good exercise program already in place, I think if you cut back your calorie intake by 200-500 calories per day you should start to see the weight come off. This low level of caloric restriction should still provide you with the energy you need for your activities. FWIW, most exercise programs are depressingly inefficient when it comes to weight loss, making portion control and smarter food choices more important than the exercise part of the weight loss equation. Even though exercise is important for general health, it's way too easy to subvert a good exercise program with a few poor food choices each day. For instance, a 1/8 serving of a 9" apple pie contains 411 calories ( http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts-001-02s03ws.html ). To burn this off, you would need to do vigorous aerobic exercise for around 35-40 minutes. Combine that one piece of pie with something like a tall Starbucks latte, or a couple of bottles of beer, or a chocolate shake, and your program is shot for the day. > >It also tracks body measurements, body fat percentage, and other > >health-related items (blood pressure, lab tests, etc.). [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >until Monday you can download the new version. > ><warning - shameless plug mode=off> >> ><warning - shameless plug mode=on> >> >Because of this, and because of my interests in health-related software [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >stock market (it's also the same way that scientists analyze data in >scientific experiments to discern the underlying patterns). OK, that makes sense. >These same techniques have been promoted for quite some time for weight loss >(e.g., The "Hacker's Diet" [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >Well, the "what" is terribly difficult to know - in fact, it may be >impossible to know. It would be impossible to know exactly, for sure, but some idea would seem to be more helpful none at all. >Count calories in is difficult and time-consuming >(though it can be done). Figuring out how many calories you burn each day [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >became more conscious of my eating habits, and more dedicated to my exercise >program until I gradually got it back under control. But "what" did you become more conscientious about? It seems to me that I sometimes lose weight (at least temporarily) when I have been considerably un-conscientious. Maybe I need both. I think I'll check out FitDay and and perhaps your program as well. It does seem that you offer something of value, but maybe most of this is already incorporated into something like FitDay. They must also accept weightings and do some sort of tracking and maybe even averaging. >> It seems to me that if I had a >> detailed acocunting of what I ate (intake) and what I did (energy [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >the energy expended portion of the equation. You can make estimates, but I >would be surprised if they were within 20% of actual on most days. Sure, they would be only estimates, but over time, they would give some idea of cause and effect. That's all I would want. >And, >making those estimates and counting all the calories you eat each day is >time-consuming, whereas weighing yourself and recording it in WeightWare >takes less than a minute. I don't plan to do it forever. My thinking is to keep pretty good track for awhile to see if I can learn anything. I'm hoping that the program would highlight some trends or significant correlations. Pretty quickly, I would thimk that I would get the hang of it and could estimate it myself in my head. >Compared to calorie counting and calories burned estimating, your daily body >weight is precisely known. The analysis of it doesn't tell you whether you [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] >> >until Monday you can download the new version. >> ><warning - shameless plug mode=off> SignatureFor email, use Usenet-20031220 at spamex.com > "Top Spin" <ToppSpin@hotmail.com> wrote in message > > >Each time you weigh yourself and record it in WeightWare, the program [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > weight is a better representation of your "true" weight than any daily > weigh-in. I agree with this -- calculating the moving average really helped. But this isn't really a "complex analysis", at least not in excel: today's average = yesterday's average + (today's weight - yesterday's average)*10% > To calculate your weight trend over time (i.e., your weekly rate of weight > change, and your daily calorie deficit/surplus), it uses a technique called > "linear regression". This takes your recorded weigh-ins and analyzes it the > same way that stock market analysts analyze the daily fluctuations of the > stock market (it's also the same way that scientists analyze data in > scientific experiments to discern the underlying patterns). I think this is needlessly complicating things. Just looking at the stupid graph gives one so much more understandable feedback than voodoo analysis tools. > These same techniques have been promoted for quite some time for weight loss > (e.g., The "Hacker's Diet" > http://www.fourmilab.ch/hackdiet/www/hackdiet.html ), but as far as I know > they have never been incorporated into an easy-to-use program. true enough, though I find excel pretty easy to use :) > By keeping track of your weight trend numbers, you can tell whether your > diet and exercise program is on track, and get advanced warning if it is [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > became more conscious of my eating habits, and more dedicated to my exercise > program until I gradually got it back under control. yes, I found the interaction with my scale weight and the moving average to be very interesting. The moving average moves SLOWLY down to match the scale weight, so as long as your scale weight is under the moving average you're doing OK. > Compared to calorie counting and calories burned estimating, your daily body > weight is precisely known. The analysis of it doesn't tell you whether you > should exercise another 10 minutes or skip the pie, but it can tell you > (with a high degree of precision) whether or not you are moving in the right > direction. With this information, you can decide for yourself how to > approach the exercise and the pie. yes, the moving average is basically a very good number to key everything else off of. worked for me! Heywood 232/182 2/15/04 -> 8/30/04 > I'd like to lose about 30 pounds. I'm 6'3". I was rail thin as a > child. I have gradually gained over the years. I weighted about 170 at [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > Thanks Many in the group use www.fitday.com to track food and exercise. It's free but you do need to register. Fitday also has a software package you can purchase but most just use the online version. You might want to journal your food for a few days to determine where you mi ght cut a few calories. With your current exercise you shouldn't have to cut calories too much in order to lose weight. I like the Myoplex Lite protein powder for those times when I need something in a hurry. Try the single serving packs of different brands until you find one you like. >> I'd like to lose about 30 pounds. I'm 6'3". I was rail thin as a >> child. I have gradually gained over the years. I weighted about 170 at [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] >but you do need to register. Fitday also has a software package you can >purchase but most just use the online version. OK, I'll take a look. I guess if you use the online version, you just write it down in a notebook until you can go online and enter it? Does it allow for entering exercise, too? >You might want to journal your food for a few days to determine where you mi >ght cut a few calories. With your current exercise you shouldn't have to >cut calories too much in order to lose weight. Yep, that was my plan. >I like the Myoplex Lite protein powder for those times when I need something >in a hurry. Try the single serving packs of different brands until you find >one you like. OK, thanks. Can I get it in the supermarket or do I need to go to a health food store? I already have some protein powder (ON) that was recommended over in one of the workout NGs, but it has a lot of sugar. It's not really a meal replacement powder. SignatureFor email, use Usenet-20031220 at spamex.com >> >> Should I get a program to keep track of what I eat so at least I know > >> where I am now? Do these programs allow me to enter my weight so that [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > OK, I'll take a look. I guess if you use the online version, you just > write it down in a notebook until you can go online and enter it? I've been known to write mine on a napkin in a restaurant and stick it in my purse<g> > Does it allow for entering exercise, too? Yes - it will track your exercise. It has some reports to show your progress, carb/protein/fat ratio, etc. It has a fairly extensive food database and you can always add food items to it. > >You might want to journal your food for a few days to determine where you mi > >ght cut a few calories. With your current exercise you shouldn't have to > >cut calories too much in order to lose weight. > Yep, that was my plan. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > recommended over in one of the workout NGs, but it has a lot of sugar. > It's not really a meal replacement powder. Most supermarkets carry protein powder but I buy mine at a nearby health food store. I've also ordered it off the internet. Sugar is a problem with some of the protein powders. I just checked the label on the Myoplex Lite. It's 190 calories, 17g carbs, 25g protein, 1.5g fat and 2g sugar. It's about the only one I've found that taste good mixed with only water. >> Should I get a program to keep track of what I eat so at least I know >> where I am now? Do these programs allow me to enter my weight so that [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >but you do need to register. Fitday also has a software package you can >purchase but most just use the online version. They claim the PC version is *much* better. Has anyone used both? If I start entering data into the online version and then purchase the PC version, can I import my data? I would guess that the online version keeps getting updated with new foods, etc. Does the PC version have the same data and it there a way to download additions? >You might want to journal your food for a few days to determine where you mi >ght cut a few calories. With your current exercise you shouldn't have to >cut calories too much in order to lose weight. Yep, my plan exactly. Thanks SignatureFor email, use Usenet-20031220 at spamex.com > >> Should I get a program to keep track of what I eat so at least I know > >> where I am now? Do these programs allow me to enter my weight so that [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > They claim the PC version is *much* better. Has anyone used both? I have the PC version. It is a lttle easier to add custom foods, has more detailed reports, etc. > If I start entering data into the online version and then purchase the > PC version, can I import my data? When I first purchased the PC version I sent an email asking this question. At that time this feature was not available and I don't think they've added it. > I would guess that the online version keeps getting updated with new > foods, etc. Does the PC version have the same data and it there a way > to download additions? The PC version has an extensive database and it's easy to add new foods. I haven't had the need to do mass downloads so I don't know if it's possible. > If I start entering data into the online version and then purchase the > PC version, can I import my data?<< Not with the current version. That's why I haven't bought the PC version -- I have nearly a year of daily information online. Kasey 365/245/??? My only suggestion regarding your weight loss is to be extremely conservative and not go too far. There is not a great deal of evidence that weight loss at your age leads to great health improvements. So, I would think, cutting some junk foods etc, and exercising a bit more, can very well help you lose 20 lbs or so, and that's all you need. I would also definitely consult with a doctor of some sorts. i >My only suggestion regarding your weight loss is to be extremely >conservative and not go too far. There is not a great deal of evidence >that weight loss at your age leads to great health improvements. My doctor disagrees. While he does not see me as being at serious risk, there are a few weight-related problems or at least a few problems that weight loss should help. I am having some aches and pains in my ankles and knees after tennis. We are going to join a club that has a couple of clay courts, which should be a bit easier on my legs than the concrete courts we currently play on, but 20-30 pounds lighter should also help. I have had some problems with breathing at night -- not really apnea, but some blockage. Also some GERD. Both are exacerbated by extra weight. I also want to look a bit fitter. My wife is one of those tiny little waifs and I don't want her deciding that she can do better with a younger, slimmer model for a husband! ;-) Plus I need to be able to kepp up with her on the tennis court. >So, I would think, cutting some junk foods etc, and exercising a bit >more, can very well help you lose 20 lbs or so, and that's all you >need. I would also definitely consult with a doctor of some sorts. That's about all I want to do. If I can get down to around 200, I'll be happy. SignatureFor email, use Usenet-20031220 at spamex.com > >My only suggestion regarding your weight loss is to be extremely > >conservative and not go too far. There is not a great deal of evidence [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > risk, there are a few weight-related problems or at least a few > problems that weight loss should help. Many health problems improve with only minimal weight loss. But they worsen with the weight gain that comes after a yo-yo. Which is why you should take things slowly and cautiously. Losing slowly will also avoid any defiencies that might be harmful at your age. You particularly want to protect your muscles (proteins) and bones (calcium) as much as possible. But over than that, you seem to have a self regulation. You don't binge or anything, and you weight is pretty stable, except that it's sliding slowly up. Maybe you should just settle for simple portion control, without bothering with calories and the like. Just stop a bit before feeling completely stuffed, and settle for being "lightly-full". This might be a simple matter of adjusting your satiety. Sometimes, simple solutions work... >> >My only suggestion regarding your weight loss is to be extremely >> >conservative and not go too far. There is not a great deal of evidence [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >completely stuffed, and settle for being "lightly-full". This might be a >simple matter of adjusting your satiety. Sometimes, simple solutions work... That's actually what I have been trying to do for the past several months. I realized that I had been eating until I was "very full" -- sometimes too full (uncomfortable). Been doing it all my life. When I was younger, my higher metabolism could handle it -- no more. Anyway, a few months ago, I tried stopping earlier and eating more slowly as I had heard that it takes awhile for the body to realize it had food. At first, I thought I was having success. I edged downward from around 230 to 222 or so over a few weeks. Then we went on vacation in June. We were eating out at least once a day and I gained all the way back to 230 and now it won't go back down. I tried even smaller portions, but I found I had low energy and no concentration -- distracted by hunger. A week ago, we went to a party. They had lots of finger foods. I had a light snack beforehand so I wouldn't nibble all night. But they had a bowl of what I think was yogurt-raisin balls or something. They were delicious. I ate nearly the entire bowl -- one handful at a time. The next day, I had lost 3 pounds. So, I thought if I kept track of my eating habits, I might learn something. SignatureFor email, use Usenet-20031220 at spamex.com >>My only suggestion regarding your weight loss is to be extremely >>conservative and not go too far. There is not a great deal of evidence [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > risk, there are a few weight-related problems or at least a few > problems that weight loss should help. Then you should definitely be listening to your doctor though I'm sure that this poster will pull lots of studies out of his backside to show you how he knows more than your doctor. It's best not to argue with him (especially with things like facts) or he'll badger you to death or until you accede to his intellectual superiority. Jenn >My only suggestion regarding your weight loss is to be extremely >conservative and not go too far. There is not a great deal of evidence >that weight loss at your age leads to great health improvements. This doesn't make sense to me. I would have thought that starting towards the older years with less weight to carry would bring considerable helath benefits. janice 233/179/133 > This doesn't make sense to me. I would have thought that starting > towards the older years with less weight to carry would bring > considerable helath benefits. It does, but there is a point of diminishing returns where it doesn't make up for the lack of nutriments and the lack of stores to fight off dehydration and malnutrition, which are major problems in very old folks. For instance, my grand mother had to be fed liquid food (something that was originally intended for diets :p) on top of her regular diet, because she was eating *way* too little on her own during her last years to the point of fainting regularly. Plenty of death last summer in Europe were the results of old folks not drinking enough, because the thirst reflex is failling in my old people. Or hypoglycemia becomes a risk in old people, especially since falls can be fatal, so slightly elevated blood glucose (in non-diabetic range) stops increasing mortality rates. Also, lowering one's bmi often means losing some absolute lean mass, and the absolute amount of lean mass seems to play an important part in old age survival. Likewise, past the 75+ mark, you seem to have a reversal of other positive parameters, like low tension and low blood sugar. I'm not saying they have to be *obese*, but that mortality stops being totally correlated with BMI past 65, unlike what happens in younger people. Many of the "young" age predictors seem to break appart, for various reasons. One might be that if it hasn't killed you yet, there are chances you have the genetics to get the benefits from them without suffering too much from the downsides. The "optimal" range seems to be in the middle BMI range of 22-24. Dropping bellow that value seeems to lowers the survival chances. http://www.docguide.com/news/content.nsf/news/8525697700573E1885256D020064A5A2 http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2459/is_n1_v23/ai_14904668 >> This doesn't make sense to me. I would have thought that starting >> towards the older years with less weight to carry would bring [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >up for the lack of nutriments and the lack of stores to fight off >dehydration and malnutrition, which are major problems in very old folks. Yes, I can see that, but in this particular case, the OP to whom ig was replying was 60, not 75. janice 233/179/133 >> This doesn't make sense to me. I would have thought that starting >> towards the older years with less weight to carry would bring [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > http://www.docguide.com/news/content.nsf/news/8525697700573E1885256D020064A5A2 > http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2459/is_n1_v23/ai_14904668 All completely correct. Weight loss is a tricky adventure. Sometimes, it is better not to bother, or, at least, to lose just a little bit of weight as opposed to having super ambitious goals. Thanks for the articles. Some studies of mortality among people who lose weight at older age, do not distinguish voluntary vs. involuntary weight loss, which are obviously different things. I have not seen one controlled study, where intentional weight loss after a certain age improved survival. Which is not to say that such as study doesd not exist, only that I have not seen one, and I looked. Some more interesting examples: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstra ct&list_uids=9792476 `` Because of the important limitations and inconsistencies in the results of the studies reviewed here, the clinical community is left with little guidance on the relative role that intentional weight loss should play in the care of persons with diabetes, compared with better established treatments. '' http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstra ct&list_uids=9130036 (this one suggests that modest eight loss may be a good idea, but it is not singling out older people) ``Preliminary evidence suggests that modest intentional weight loss is associated with increased longevity in individuals with co-morbidities.'' I would say that the best course for the OP is to lose a few pounds slowly, and stop there. i >All completely correct. Weight loss is a tricky adventure. Sometimes, >it is better not to bother, or, at least, to lose just a little bit of [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >after a certain age improved survival. Which is not to say that such >as study doesd not exist, only that I have not seen one, and I looked. But surely, improved quality of life is as important as improved survival. janice >>All completely correct. Weight loss is a tricky adventure. Sometimes, >>it is better not to bother, or, at least, to lose just a little bit of [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > janice I would agree, in case if weight loss leads to improved quality of life. I would suspect that sometimes weight loss leads to improved quality of life, and sometimes it does not. The details are what is important. i >It does, but there is a point of diminishing returns where it doesn't make >up for the lack of nutriments and the lack of stores to fight off >dehydration and malnutrition, which are major problems in very old folks. Um, some of us don't consider 60 "very old" ! Chris (age 56) 262/141/ (145-150) > >It does, but there is a point of diminishing returns where it doesn't make > >up for the lack of nutriments and the lack of stores to fight off [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Chris (age 56) > 262/141/ (145-150) I *know* I don't consider 60 old! Beverly (fast approaching 62) 177/146/140 > Um, some of us don't consider 60 "very old" ! Seems younger all the time, doesn't it? <s> Remember "Don't trust anyone over 30"? (were we nuts?) SignatureWalking (but mostly biking!) on . . . Laurie in Maine 207/110 60 inches of attitude! Start: 2/02 Maintained since 2/03 > > Um, some of us don't consider 60 "very old" ! > > Seems younger all the time, doesn't it? <s> > > Remember "Don't trust anyone over 30"? (were we nuts?) I was a little young at the time, but I remember the movie "Wild in the Streets" with Shelly Winters. A classic! Martha >My only suggestion regarding your weight loss is to be extremely >conservative and not go too far. There is not a great deal of evidence [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >i Well, I've found weight loss at age 56 to be well worth the effort. Will it extend my life span? Dunno, but I doubt it will hurt. And I think there's little doubt it will keep the machine functioning better for whatever years I do have. And there is no doubt whatever that I feel better, look better, and am happier with myself. Chris 262/141/ (145-150) >>My only suggestion regarding your weight loss is to be extremely >>conservative and not go too far. There is not a great deal of evidence [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > for whatever years I do have. And there is no doubt whatever that I > feel better, look better, and am happier with myself. Chris, you were in a much worse shape, weightwise, than the OP... A different situation. i >>>My only suggestion regarding your weight loss is to be extremely >>>conservative and not go too far. There is not a great deal of evidence [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >i True, but should I have stopped losing 20 or 30 pounds ago? Chris 262/141/ (145-150) >>>>My only suggestion regarding your weight loss is to be extremely >>>>conservative and not go too far. There is not a great deal of evidence [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > True, but should I have stopped losing 20 or 30 pounds ago? If I was in your position, personally, I would stop at a somewhat higher weight. Obviously, I am not in your position, and you are, so it is your decision. Seems that you are doing great so far, so, it is hard to argue with success. i > I have a moderately active life. I play tennis at least once a week > and I do some aerobics (30-40 minutes) 3-5 times a week in the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I'd like a simple program that I can follow easily that won't leave me > feeling weak. A good start, especially for the exercise may be Mistress Krista's site www.stumptuous.com/weights.html It's geared toward women but men will benefit just as much from the information. > Should I get a program to keep track of what I eat so at least I know > where I am now? Do these programs allow me to enter my weight so that > I can see how calorie intake correlates with weight? Is there some way > to enter exercise? > > If so, which programs are best? Lots of people use fitday.com. I use DietPower which is not web based. I like it but I don't know that it's any better than the PC version Fitday. I thought about switching, but I have years worth of custom foods built up in the library :) It does let you record exercise in addition to your food intake. > I have a very busy schedule that sometimes makes it difficult to > prepare food. I would like to avoid fast food and snacks. Are there [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > If so, what brands are best. Bev already suggested Myoplex Lite. It's cheaper to come across on line. I make my own shakes with protein powder and sugar-free flavored soy milk. Protein powder is very flexible. I also mix it with plain, lowfat or fat free yogurt and some kind of flavoring (extracts or sugar-free coffee syrups) and store in the fridge - it sets up like pudding and makes it easy to grab in the morning when I'm packing my food to take to work for the day. I also have a very busy schedule. There are days I have to eat the majority of my meals away from home and usually on the go. I've gone back to an old habit of cooking a lot on the weekends and portioning the food out into convenient containers in the fridge and freezer to take along. I have a microwave at work so this is convenient for me - YMMV. Lately I've been doing a turkey breast half on the grill, cutting it into chunks and storing it in 4 oz servings to go on top of salad, plus the mini-quiche recipe from the South Beach Diet cookbook for breakfast. Best of luck. Jenn |
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