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Weight Loss Forum / General Topics / November 2003Blood donation => DOMS?
Does anyone know if blood donation is associated with DOMS? I gave a pint of blood on Friday and was advised to skip my regular workout. So I went rollerblading with my kid at the mall for an hour, instead. I barely broke a sweat and felt no muscle soreness. I don't rollerblade very often but I do intensive cardio routines 3x/week with an elliptial trainer, recumbant bike, cross-country ski machine, rowing machine or running outside. (I cross-train a lot.) The next day I did a rigorous weight routine involving squats, lunges and deadlifts. I did quite a lot of stretching afterwards. I didn't go up on my weights significantly and I've been working these muscles 2 or 3x week for many many months. Saturday night the DOMS started in my hams and glute. Sunday I was miserable. Monday I was still on iburprofin. Tuesday I'm still a bit tender going up stairs. Is it from rollerblading?!? Is it from lower oxygen in my blood? Is it the DOMS fairy come to visit me 17 months after I started weightlifting? Wendy, learning something new every day >Does anyone know if blood donation is associated with DOMS? > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >Wendy, learning something new every day One thing to consider is that the rollerblading is working out a different set of muscles in a way you are unaccustomed to. This can contribute to the doms. >>Is it from rollerblading?!? Is it from lower oxygen in my blood? Is it >>the DOMS fairy come to visit me 17 months after I started weightlifting? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > different set of muscles in a way you are unaccustomed to. This can > contribute to the doms. HEeeeheee! Back in the day, when my wife and I were both fairly serious cyclist, we stopped off at a driving range, on a whim, to hit a couple of buckets. It was fun, it felt great... Next morning it was an engineering research project to find a way to get out of bed. There were some itty-bitty muscles around the hip joints that were NOT! on speaking terms with the rest of the body! rm >>>Is it from rollerblading?!? Is it from lower oxygen in my blood? Is it >>>the DOMS fairy come to visit me 17 months after I started weightlifting? [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >rm Yup - and same with me - a few weeks ago - after 9 weeks of *bootcamp* at the Y, doms was pretty much nonexistant any more. I could do all the pushups, situps, jumping jacks, mountainclimbers and cannon kickers without suffering doms. Then the instructor added in this new move - similar to the mountain climber - but where you hop both legs in at the same time. My quads were sore for the next 3 days. Its basically the same move as the mountain climber - but because of the difference, it caused my muscles to work differently. > Does anyone know if blood donation is associated with DOMS? > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Wendy, learning something new every day It is because you are being punished for virturous activity. Blood donation? Spending time with dad?? If you had spent you time more wisely, this wouldn't happened. No good deed goes unpumished. A drunken orgy would NOT have resulted in DOMS. ;) HTH > A drunken orgy would NOT have resulted in DOMS. ;) I would take DOMS rather than hangover at any time of day. i > Lee Michaels wrote: > > A drunken orgy would NOT have resulted in DOMS. ;) > > I would take DOMS rather than hangover at any time of day. I'd rather have a bottle in front of me, than a frontal lobotomy. David > > Lee Michaels wrote: > > > A drunken orgy would NOT have resulted in DOMS. ;) [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > David Too late. ps > Does anyone know if blood donation is associated with DOMS? > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Wendy, learning something new every day I'm guessing it's the rollerblading, despite your current cardio activities. For example: last fall, I started doing tons of cardio on the elliptical and recumbant at the gym, in preparation for downhill skiing. I was doing 30-45 min per day at high intensity, and it got to be fairly easy. So I thought I was all set for skiing. After my first day of skiing, I thought I was going to die. Only after several days on the mnt. did my body adjust. I would have thought that the elliptical would simulate skiing pretty well, but I guess not. det > Does anyone know if blood donation is associated with DOMS? > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Is it from rollerblading?!? Is it from lower oxygen in my blood? Is it > the DOMS fairy come to visit me 17 months after I started weightlifting? I have extensive experience with people donating blood. Unfortunately for them, the donation is involuntary and results from bullets, knives, and automangulations. So, I'm voting for the rollerblading: unfamiliar muscles used infrequently. I see no physiologic reason why a very mild hypovolemia/anemia would contribute to DOMS. You DID eat the OJ and cookie, didn't you? David >>Does anyone know if blood donation is associated with DOMS? >> [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > David I get BAD DOMS everytime I play the first soccer game of the season, no matter how I try to prepare for it on the treadmill, squats etc.. after that first game it hurts like hell just to cough for a couple of days. I remember one time the team after our game was short some players so I played 2 games at the start of the season, I dont even like to THINK about how much pain I paid for that move! 'Scuse my ignorance, but what does DOMS stand for? >'Scuse my ignorance, but what does DOMS stand for? Delayed Onset Muscle Soreness. It's when your muscles feel sore a day or two after you work them.  Signaturesoc.singles FAQ [ Nyx Net, free ISP ] Misc.Fitness.Weights page www.trygve.com/ssfaq.html [ http://www.nyx.net ] www.trygve.com/mfw.html Your computer will stay up longer than ever with Viagra for Windows! http://www.trygve.com/viagra.html > >'Scuse my ignorance, but what does DOMS stand for? > > Delayed Onset Muscle Soreness. It's when your muscles feel sore > a day or two after you work them. Thanks! >'Scuse my ignorance, but what does DOMS stand for? Delayed Onset Muscle Soreness. The hurty feeling in your muscles the day after you do something strenuous if you're not accustomed to that activity. > >'Scuse my ignorance, but what does DOMS stand for? > > Delayed Onset Muscle Soreness. > > The hurty feeling in your muscles the day after you do something > strenuous if you're not accustomed to that activity. Thank you! >I have extensive experience with people donating blood. Unfortunately >for them, the donation is involuntary and results from bullets, >knives, and automangulations. automangulations? as in from an automobile? or people walking around just kinda automangulate, like spontaneously combust? dan finn mfw : this ain't spa lady > "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > automangulations? as in from an automobile? or people walking around > just kinda automangulate, like spontaneously combust? Could be both. Haven't decided yet. David > > Does anyone know if blood donation is associated with DOMS? > > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > infrequently. I see no physiologic reason why a very mild > hypovolemia/anemia would contribute to DOMS. I bet I could make something up that sounded half plausible. if you want me to. Lyle In alt.support.diet Lyle McDonald <lylemcd@grandecomimretarded.net> wrote: >> So, I'm voting for the rollerblading: unfamiliar muscles used >> infrequently. I see no physiologic reason why a very mild >> hypovolemia/anemia would contribute to DOMS. > I bet I could make something up that sounded half plausible. > if you want me to. Thanks for the offer, but no thanks. I gave up on denial along with refined carbs. Wendy > In alt.support.diet Lyle McDonald <lylemcd@grandecomimretarded.net> wrote: > >> So, I'm voting for the rollerblading: unfamiliar muscles used [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Thanks for the offer, but no thanks. I gave up on denial along with > refined carbs. I'm still eating refined carbs. And you haven't posted any good stories lately. Please provide the explanation. Oh - for those of you that don't know: by stories I am referring to Lyle's explanation of why, if you're dieting, you need to stop eating for several hours before going to sleep. And the gnomes that... that... Damn! I forgot. Or was that the same story? Thanks, Art > > In alt.support.diet Lyle McDonald <lylemcd@grandecomimretarded.net> wrote: > > >> So, I'm voting for the rollerblading: unfamiliar muscles used [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Art Gnomes that steal your underwear? South Park did it first. > > "Wendy" <no-spam@mtholyoke.edu> wrote in message > news:3f9ecaf6@nap.mtholyoke.edu... [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Gnomes that steal your underwear? South Park did it first. I thought the Simpsons did it first. : ) Martha > > > "Wendy" <no-spam@mtholyoke.edu> wrote in message > news:3f9ecaf6@nap.mtholyoke.edu... [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > I thought the Simpsons did it first. : ) No, the first time was an episode of The Partridge Family. Proton Soup > > > Gnomes that steal your underwear? South Park did it first. > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Proton Soup This reminded me of a Southpark episode called "The Simpsons Did It First", where everything the kids tried to do had already been done by you-know-who. Martha > > "MH" <bastzine@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message > news:<WPGnb.19223$Ec1.1701147@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>... [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > This reminded me of a Southpark episode called "The Simpsons Did It First", > where everything the kids tried to do had already been done by you-know-who. Yep, saw it. AIIRC, every Simpsons episode had already been done, too. And I just pulled the Partridge Family thing out of my a.s. But still, it probably did happen, and Danny was the Underpants Gnome. Proton Soup > > > "MH" <bastzine@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message > > news:<WPGnb.19223$Ec1.1701147@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>... [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Proton Soup I knew it! I knew he was all along! ; ) Martha > David Cohen wrote: > > > Does anyone know if blood donation is associated with DOMS? [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > I bet I could make something up that sounded half plausible. And I'd believe it, 'cause you're a published author, and all. I am awed by authority. > if you want me to. No. > Lyle David > > David Cohen wrote: > > > > Does anyone know if blood donation is associated with DOMS? [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > > No. But it's be real good. Lyle > > David Cohen wrote: > > > > Does anyone know if blood donation is associated with DOMS? [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > > No. But it's be real good. Lyle > > > David Cohen wrote: > > > > > Does anyone know if blood donation is associated with DOMS? [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > But it's be real good. I want to hear it. Proton Soup > > > > David Cohen wrote: > > > > > > Does anyone know if blood donation is associated with DOMS? [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > > I want to hear it. Well, it all has to do with blood volume which is one of the determinants of both aerobic performance and Vo2 max. Taking off a pint of blood will lower VO2 max just as increasing blood volume (thru training, blood transfusion or EPO) will raise it. So, by losing blood volume, the OP's ability to generate energy aerobically (primarily via Type I fibers) was lowered. Due to this, a greater reliance on Type II fibers was necessary to maintain power output during her activities. Type II fibers are more likely to be damaged, generating the chemicals which cause soreness. See, half plausible and even sounds pretty good. Most likely bullshit but hey... Lyle or maybe the rollerblading thing In alt.support.diet Lyle McDonald <lylemcd@grandecomimretarded.net> wrote: >> > > > > So, I'm voting for the rollerblading: unfamiliar muscles used >> > > > > infrequently. I see no physiologic reason why a very mild [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> >> I want to hear it. > Well, it all has to do with blood volume which is one of the > determinants of both aerobic performance and Vo2 max. Taking off a pint > of blood will lower VO2 max just as increasing blood volume (thru > training, blood transfusion or EPO) will raise it. > So, by losing blood volume, the OP's ability to generate energy > aerobically (primarily via Type I fibers) was lowered. > Due to this, a greater reliance on Type II fibers was necessary to > maintain power output during her activities. > Type II fibers are more likely to be damaged, generating the chemicals > which cause soreness. > See, half plausible and even sounds pretty good. Most likely bullshit > but hey... > Lyle > or maybe the rollerblading thing Yeah, that's what I thought. (To both answers.) But thanks for the story. I always like your stories - at least the ones where I don't personally get called a fucktard. Wendy > Well, it all has to do with blood volume which is one of the > determinants of both aerobic performance and Vo2 max. Taking off a pint [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Lyle > or maybe the rollerblading thing I like it. I know people who would believe it. Of course, they don't exercise, but they would probably think that walking would cause DOMS. But I bet if I sent it to them it would cover the country in a matter of weeks. Do you want to work on the hand waving parts some more? Do you want attribution? I don't think that is standard when spreading urban legends, though. I know, I'll label it "humor" and leave it to someone else to decide that it is true and remove the label. <grin> Art > > Well, it all has to do with blood volume which is one of the > > determinants of both aerobic performance and Vo2 max. Taking off a pint [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > <grin> I've been trying to decide if I want to be responsible for such a pernicious rumor. Let me see if I can come up with some more good hand waving on the topic. I'd rather it be non-attributed, tho. Lyle > > > Well, it all has to do with blood volume which is one of the > > > determinants of both aerobic performance and Vo2 max. Taking off a pint [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > Lyle OK. Art > > > > > David Cohen wrote: > > > > > > > Does anyone know if blood donation is associated with DOMS? [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > of blood will lower VO2 max just as increasing blood volume (thru > training, blood transfusion or EPO) will raise it. This part I anticipated. I remember reading something once about athletes using blood doping, that is, drawing a pint of their own blood several days before competition, then re-infusing it just before comp. > So, by losing blood volume, the OP's ability to generate energy > aerobically (primarily via Type I fibers) was lowered. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Type II fibers are more likely to be damaged, generating the chemicals > which cause soreness. Didn't think about this, but I do remember some of the fiber discussion from the cycling thread, so I'll buy it. > See, half plausible and even sounds pretty good. Most likely bullshit > but hey... > > Lyle > or maybe the rollerblading thing Maybe your friend Elzi could run the experiment. Proton Soup > > > > But it's be real good. > > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > blood several days before competition, then re-infusing it just before > comp. actually, to be effective, it has to be longer than that. Like 6 weeks or more. The idea is to draw off your own blood, save it (freezer), let your body rebuild what you took off, and then overfill by infusing the saved blood. Doing what you describe wouldn't really improve anything. The problem is that, with lowered blood volume, training intensity takes a big hit (same problem as training at altitude) until your body rebuilds what you took out. Which offsets some of the benefits cuz you can't train as hard. Solutions were to use blood from someone else but this caused problems if all of the typing issues weren't dealt with. Then came EPO (and some newer high tech solutions) and problem solved. Just give them a drug which stimulates the body to increase RBC count and screw all of the blood draw/infusion stuff. Lyle In alt.support.diet David Cohen <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote: > I have extensive experience with people donating blood. Unfortunately > for them, the donation is involuntary and results from bullets, > knives, and automangulations. Ah, but do they do oly lifts the next day? > So, I'm voting for the rollerblading: unfamiliar muscles used > infrequently. I see no physiologic reason why a very mild > hypovolemia/anemia would contribute to DOMS. It seems counter-intuitive, but I guess that's probably it. (It's not like I don't work my hams and glute several times a week, and the rollerblading did NOT seem like work!) > You DID eat the OJ and cookie, didn't you? Um. No. I sweet-talked the little old lady into letting me have the coffee and apple I had brought with me. (Although she was pushing 75, I know her from the weight room at the Y!) Wendy :: In alt.support.diet David Cohen <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote: ::: I have extensive experience with people donating blood. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] :: not like I don't work my hams and glute several times a week, and the :: rollerblading did NOT seem like work!) I do the same....however, I recently when bowling after not having done that activity in over 9 years. Sore glutes and hams were the result. However, I can say that I was able to complete the motions of bowling with relatively good form and smoothness, and could easily get down low in the stance, even though I was terrible at hitting the pocket. Nothing beats practice.... > Um. No. I sweet-talked the little old lady into letting me have the > coffee and apple I had brought with me. (Although she was pushing 75, I > know her from the weight room at the Y!) Gee, I always drink the little can of OJ and eat one of the snack items (fig newtons, this Saturday). Fits in my calorie budget ok, so I don't worry about it. Chris I give blood every two months and have never noticed a connection to DOMS. However, I usually don't work out on the day I donate or the next day. (I always schedule donating for a Saturday, and I usually don't work out on either Saturday or Sunday. I may walk or bike or something, but I don't go in to the gym.) I think the DOMS is more likely to be due to rollerblading. I find I get DOMS if I do an activity I'm not used to, even though it seems to be using the same muscles as other things I do. Chris I give blood every time the donor truck comes to my work. You should never work out after giving blood. Your body needs time to recupe. Take it easy that day. Martha > Does anyone know if blood donation is associated with DOMS? > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Wendy, learning something new every day |
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