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Food & Exercise -- 11/1/2003 (yesterday)

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Chris Braun - 02 Nov 2003 12:37 GMT
Food:

9:30 (home): 2 poached eggs on one slice whole wheat toast w/ 3 slices
melted f/f cheese

11:30 (home): banana

1:30 (home): 1 can (5 oz.) tuna mixed w/ 1/4 cup red grapes, 1 oz.
chopped peanuts, & no-calorie blue cheese dressing

4:30 (home): energy bar

7:00 (home): 184g turkey meatloaf; 180g sauteed green beans; 6 oz.
wine (merlot)

11:00 (home): 1 cup f/f cottage cheese w/ 3 tbsp sugar-free strawberry
jam

Totals: 1581 calories, 44g fat (25%), 132g carbs (33%), 142g protein
(36%)
           
Averages for the week: 1498 calories, 27% fat, 36% carbs, 34% protein

Exercise: A fair bit of housework -- nothing else.

Chris
262/176/???
Daniel L Quigley-Skillin - 02 Nov 2003 22:50 GMT
> Averages for the week: 1498 calories, 27% fat, 36% carbs, 34% protein
>
> Exercise: A fair bit of housework -- nothing else.

Very nice Chris!

For comparison.

Averages:  1973 calories, 23% fat, 50% carbs, 27% protein

Guess you could call it the FDA diet <G>.  I'd like to bring my carbs down
though.

Exercise:  40 minutes cardio/day alternating the treadmill and the
elliptical machines.
               Moderate weight lifting on a 3 day rotation, 7th day rest.

Dan - 305/289/220
Chris Braun - 03 Nov 2003 00:09 GMT
>> Averages for the week: 1498 calories, 27% fat, 36% carbs, 34% protein
>>
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>
>Dan - 305/289/220

Your calories are lower relative to your body weight than mine.  That
doesn't make it wrong; when I started at 262 lbs. I was eating 1600
calories per day.  But I'm female and 55, and have a fairly slow
metabolism.  2000 or so may be a little low for you, but if you feel
okay and aren't losing too fast, it's probably fine.

I would recommend trying to up the protein.  I don't think carbs are
evil, but if you increase your protein without increasing calories,
you will probably take it away from the carbs.

Your exercise program sounds good.  I basically lift 4x/week, do
plyometrics sorts of stuff one day, and do cardio 4-5 days.  I rarely
go into the gym on the weekend.  (It's not convenient to my home --
more so to my office.)  Do you push yourself some on the cardio?  I
think that makes a difference.  I actually do shorter cardio than I
used to -- most days only around 20 minutes -- but I try to keep
increasing speed and run intervals and stuff like that.

Chris
Jennifer Austin - 03 Nov 2003 00:29 GMT
> I would recommend trying to up the protein.  I don't think carbs are
> evil, but if you increase your protein without increasing calories,
> you will probably take it away from the carbs.
>
> Chris

I was playing around with a spreadsheet I made to calculate the number of
dietary exchanges I'd need to maintain X calories with a given balance of
fat, protein, and carbs.  I discovered that if I want to keep in the same
number of veggies and fruits I eat now at 1400 cal, I'd be at about 50%
carbs with only 2 grain servings a day - that was with 30% protein & 20%
fat.

BTW Chris, I finally tried soy cheese!  I took your advice and went with the
american over something like jalapeno even though I generally never cared
for american cheese.  It was really really good!  I can have veggie burgers,
dogs, and cheese and it counts as a veggie in my plan and since I wanted to
up my protein, I went ahead and picked some up.  Expensive, but good.

Jenn
Chris Braun - 03 Nov 2003 03:28 GMT
>I was playing around with a spreadsheet I made to calculate the number of
>dietary exchanges I'd need to maintain X calories with a given balance of
>fat, protein, and carbs.  I discovered that if I want to keep in the same
>number of veggies and fruits I eat now at 1400 cal, I'd be at about 50%
>carbs with only 2 grain servings a day - that was with 30% protein & 20%
>fat.

This is a pretty good ratio, I think, if lots of the carbs are coming
from veggies and fruits.  I don't eat as much of those as I should,
really -- I often have trouble digesting raw fruits and veggies.  I
try for a little more protein, but that's partly because I'm really
into weightlifting.

>BTW Chris, I finally tried soy cheese!  I took your advice and went with the
>american over something like jalapeno even though I generally never cared
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>
>Jenn

It's a good source of protein.  I'm glad you like it.  I like the
Swiss flavor too.  (I've never tried jalapeno flavor because I don't
like peppers.  In fact, I'm allergic to the flesh of peppers.
Probably wouldn't be to the cheese, but as a result of the allergy I
have an aversion to anything that involves peppers.)

Chris
Daniel L Quigley-Skillin - 03 Nov 2003 03:44 GMT
> Your calories are lower relative to your body weight than mine.  That
> doesn't make it wrong; when I started at 262 lbs. I was eating 1600
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> evil, but if you increase your protein without increasing calories,
> you will probably take it away from the carbs.

Generally, I have been feeling very well.  Today I am a little hungry now,
but I'm going to bed soon, there is no need to eat.  I agree, I need to get
my protein up a bit.  I ALWAYS end up very close to my average.  It's
interesting, because I don't plan my meals.  I eat what I'm in the mood for.
The rule is 400 calories, five times a day.

Today for example:

Calories 1963, Fat 24%, Carbs 46%, Protein 30%

> Do you push yourself some on the cardio?  I
> think that makes a difference.  I actually do shorter cardio than I
> used to -- most days only around 20 minutes -- but I try to keep
> increasing speed and run intervals and stuff like that.
>
> Chris

Yes, I push cardio.  Usually the first 30 minutes is moderate, pulse of 150
(75-80%).  The last ten minutes is spent pushing the envelope, changing
speed, resistance, or incline.  Besides the weight, I'm in fairly good
shape - which is surprising.  I can't wait to see the muscle under this
layer of fat - I was benching today, working reps with my goal weight.

Dan - 305/289/220
Chris Braun - 03 Nov 2003 04:01 GMT
>Yes, I push cardio.  Usually the first 30 minutes is moderate, pulse of 150
>(75-80%).  The last ten minutes is spent pushing the envelope, changing
>speed, resistance, or incline.  Besides the weight, I'm in fairly good
>shape - which is surprising.  I can't wait to see the muscle under this
>layer of fat - I was benching today, working reps with my goal weight.

Good stuff.  I have a goal of being able to bench my bodyweight
someday, but currently I have a rotator cuff injury (from a snatch
that I lost to the back) that has progressed to a frozen shoulder, so
my bench is way off.  I'd be interested to know what I could do
otherwise.  Back when I was heavier I've benched 185 (raw -- 205 with
a bench shirt).  I weigh less than that now, but can't handle more
than around 100 lbs. without straining my shoulder.  I'm the Virginia
USAPL record holder in the Women's 50-54 198+ class.  I'd hoped to set
some new records now that I'm 55, and in a new weight class, but it's
not to be unless I get the shoulder healed.  We're working on it...

Chris
262/176/???
Daniel L Quigley-Skillin - 03 Nov 2003 04:32 GMT
> Good stuff.  I have a goal of being able to bench my bodyweight
> someday, but currently I have a rotator cuff injury (from a snatch
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> Chris
> 262/176/???

Ouch, I feel your pain - what a horrible place for an injury.  How long ago
did you get hurt? If it's truly frozen, and not showing a tear or other
injury now, perhaps massage would help?  Regardless, 185 is pretty
impressive.  I hope that you get healed and get back there.

Dan
Chris Braun - 03 Nov 2003 13:33 GMT
>> Good stuff.  I have a goal of being able to bench my bodyweight
>> someday, but currently I have a rotator cuff injury (from a snatch
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>
>Dan

I hurt it in April.  At first I think the problem was more
inflammation and strain, but at this point I think there's no doubt
that it's frozen.  Since I hadn't heard of that condition, I didn't
realize what was happening.  But I read a description of it and then
talked to a chiropractor and to a physical therapist I know; both
immediately agreed that that's what it was.  I get regular massages
anyway, but now that we've diagnosed this I'm having my massage guy
work on it.  What he's doing is quite painful, but I think it's
helping.

Chris
Jennifer Austin - 04 Nov 2003 02:29 GMT
> I hurt it in April.  At first I think the problem was more
> inflammation and strain, but at this point I think there's no doubt
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>
> Chris

That sounds like the hip flexor problem I have.  It "seizes and freezes."  I
worked with a PT who gave me some stretching exercises that I do regularly
that help it out and I try to get monthly massages.

Jenn
Chris Braun - 04 Nov 2003 02:56 GMT
>That sounds like the hip flexor problem I have.  It "seizes and freezes."  I
>worked with a PT who gave me some stretching exercises that I do regularly
>that help it out and I try to get monthly massages.

Well, this just stays pretty much frozen.  I think the idea is to
break up the adhesions through deep massage.  Stretching helps, too,
though, with gradually restoring some range of motion.

Apparently one of the treatments is to put the person under general
anaesthesia and then really work the heck out of the knots to break
them up (because it would be too painful otherwise).  I think this is
for more extreme cases, though.

Chris
Beverly - 03 Nov 2003 13:29 GMT
> I'm the Virginia
> USAPL record holder in the Women's 50-54 198+ class.  I'd hoped to set
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> Chris
> 262/176/???

How long have you been competing?  Congrats on the accomplishment.

Beverly
Chris Braun - 03 Nov 2003 13:46 GMT
>> I'm the Virginia
>> USAPL record holder in the Women's 50-54 198+ class.  I'd hoped to set
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>
>Beverly

I've been lifting around 4 years -- competing for around 1 1/2 years.
I haven't competed at all since this spring, though, when I hurt my
shoulder.  Between the injury and some loss of strength due to weight
loss, all my lifts are seriously off.  But I hope to get back to it
someday.

Chris
Cox SMTP east - 03 Nov 2003 13:47 GMT
I've seen what Ahmed is doing to Chris's shoulder and her statement, "Quite
painful", doesn't even begin to describe it.  I took one look and drifted
away.  (Chris...I know Ahmed would love being described as "your massage
guy" :)).  Kathy and I are cheering Chris on with her rehab...we want her to
come with us in April to the Master's Olympic lifting Competition in
Savannah.  Yeah!!! Road Trip! (No kids..even better).  Elise.

> > I'm the Virginia
> > USAPL record holder in the Women's 50-54 198+ class.  I'd hoped to set
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>
> Beverly
Chris Braun - 03 Nov 2003 13:56 GMT
>I've seen what Ahmed is doing to Chris's shoulder and her statement, "Quite
>painful", doesn't even begin to describe it.  I took one look and drifted
>away.  (Chris...I know Ahmed would love being described as "your massage
>guy" :)).  Kathy and I are cheering Chris on with her rehab...we want her to
>come with us in April to the Master's Olympic lifting Competition in
>Savannah.  Yeah!!! Road Trip! (No kids..even better).  Elise.

I'll come, even if just to watch :-).

By the way, Elise, would you like to show the group the picture of the
three of us with Ahmed?  If so, and if you send it to me
electronically (I don't have that one in the stuff you sent), I'll put
it on my web site.

Chris
 
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