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Weight Loss Forum / General Topics / November 2003New here, have a few questions
I'm trying to lose weight, but my GI and family doctor both say that I'll have a hard time because of having a fatty liver & "lazy gut" where food doesn't leave my stomach properly. Does anyone know if that is true? I also can't go low carb because of pancreas disease (chronic pancreatitis). But I *really* need to lose weight!! I want to be slim again. Any ideas? Although I am not sure that anyone here has your specific medical profile, I can assure you that most of us have significant challenges either physical or emotional when it comes to losing weight. How much do you weigh now? Are you able to exercise? Do you have problems controlling your sugar with the pancreatitis? I can't begin to know if what your docs say is true or not but you said they reported it will be hard for you - not impossible! I would suspect that your pancreas would love you for placing less demands on it as will come with weight loss and proper diet. Your gut would love you to take it out for a walk once in a while. Is your health good enough for you to do that? j > I'm trying to lose weight, but my GI and family doctor both say that I'll > have a hard time because of having a fatty liver & "lazy gut" where food [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Any ideas? >Although I am not sure that anyone here has your specific medical profile, I >can assure you that most of us have significant challenges either physical >or emotional when it comes to losing weight. I know, I didn't mean to imply in any way that people wouldn't. I'm sorry if I did. >How much do you weigh now? Are you able to exercise? Do you have problems >controlling your sugar with the pancreatitis? I can't begin to know if what >your docs say is true or not but you said they reported it will be hard for >you - not impossible! I'm 210 right now. I'm not really able to do much in the way of exercise due to still being post op for the liver issues. I'm still undergoing tests to see exactly how bad my stomach & liver issues are, we already know how bad the pancreas is. > would suspect that your pancreas would love you for placing less demands >on it as will come with weight loss and proper diet. Your gut would love >you to take it out for a walk once in a while. Is your health good enough >for you to do that? As I mentioned in a later post, "lazy gut" is an actual condition in which the stomach holds the food in for hours, not processing it, until either it finally exits or you start vomitting. Either way tends to be very painful. For my pancreas I have to be higher carb, low fat and low protein. I'm on supplements to make up for iron I lose, plus multicaps & coral calcium. If I raise my fat or protein levels, I land up with pancreatitis or my liver enzymes jump sky high. I can't eat some veggies, such as high amounts of lettuce, celery & corn because my body can't digest it. > >Although I am not sure that anyone here has your specific medical profile, > I [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I know, I didn't mean to imply in any way that people wouldn't. I'm sorry > if I did. Actually, my intent was to offer support in that all of us are compromised one way or the other. I wasn't chastising you, rather noting that many of us have obstacles that make it that much more difficult for us to lose weight. > >How much do you weigh now? Are you able to exercise? Do you have problems > >controlling your sugar with the pancreatitis? I can't begin to know if [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > enzymes jump sky high. I can't eat some veggies, such as high amounts of > lettuce, celery & corn because my body can't digest it. If I were you, I would consider something along the following lines. Determine how much protien you can eat in a day without taxing the liver. Ask your doc for guidance on this. The problem with too much protien in liver disease is that ammonia will build up. Some people are able to tell when this happens long before the lab work is drawn. If that is the case for you, pay particular attention and reduce protien accordingly. Say you can have 60 grams of protien a day. Divide that by six and have a ten grams of protien six times a day with six very small meals. This will help your blood sugar and your lazy gut syndrome. Focus on foods that don't require much in the way of digestion such as yogurt. There are some supplements and meal replacements made for liver patients that you may want to use two or three times a day. Peptomen is designed for easy absorption for people with compromised guts. It is pricey but effective. Increasing your soluable fiber may ward off some of the effects of long term liver disease and long term pancreatitis. Small amounts of oatmeal, apples, etc. have soluable fiber. As soon as the doc clears you, exercise. In fact, most docs want their post op surgery patients up and about as quickly as possible after surgery. Call his office and find out if three ten minute walks a day to begin with will be okay for you. When you progress further, add some other exercise such as free weights. Think small weights that you can do a variety of exercises with that won't cause any damage. The benefits of exercising will go so much further than mere weight loss. Where is your gall bladder in all this? Just curious. I have to be very low protein, due to my pancreas & my liver. That's why most of my meals are more carbs than protein or fat. :( Very hard for people who grew up meat eaters (steak & potatoes family). My husband works in a lab where he can get supplements for VERY low costs (as in cost + 10%). He's going to talk to the doctor that works there and see if they have anything to help me with my stomach. :( I have oatmeal 2 or 3 times a week and about 5 small apples a week. Regularity isn't the problem for me, pain is. As for my gall bladder, it was removed 8 years ago when I had my first major bout of pancreatitis (when I was in ICU). They thought it was caused by that & went in to get it to see if that cleared up my pancreatitis. It didn't, all surgery did was give me pneumonia which made me have to be on oxygen. :( If I were you, I would consider something along the following lines. Determine how much protien you can eat in a day without taxing the liver. Ask your doc for guidance on this. The problem with too much protien in liver disease is that ammonia will build up. Some people are able to tell when this happens long before the lab work is drawn. If that is the case for you, pay particular attention and reduce protien accordingly. Say you can have 60 grams of protien a day. Divide that by six and have a ten grams of protien six times a day with six very small meals. This will help your blood sugar and your lazy gut syndrome. Focus on foods that don't require much in the way of digestion such as yogurt. There are some supplements and meal replacements made for liver patients that you may want to use two or three times a day. Peptomen is designed for easy absorption for people with compromised guts. It is pricey but effective. Increasing your soluable fiber may ward off some of the effects of long term liver disease and long term pancreatitis. Small amounts of oatmeal, apples, etc. have soluable fiber. As soon as the doc clears you, exercise. In fact, most docs want their post op surgery patients up and about as quickly as possible after surgery. Call his office and find out if three ten minute walks a day to begin with will be okay for you. When you progress further, add some other exercise such as free weights. Think small weights that you can do a variety of exercises with that won't cause any damage. The benefits of exercising will go so much further than mere weight loss. Where is your gall bladder in all this? Just curious. > I have to be very low protein, due to my pancreas & my liver. That's why > most of my meals are more carbs than protein or fat. :( Very hard for [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > (as in cost + 10%). He's going to talk to the doctor that works there and > see if they have anything to help me with my stomach. :( If you husband's lab doesn't have anything specifically for your problems, consider that HIV patients have a horrible time absorbing food. In fact, many HIV patients used to pretty much die of starvation. Now they have supplements with mid chain fatty acids that require very little absorption. If the overall fat and protien content is low enough, you may want to try that route. > I have oatmeal 2 or 3 times a week and about 5 small apples a week. > Regularity isn't the problem for me, pain is. Actually, I was thinking in terms of the effects of soluable fiber on blood sugar and cholesterol which is sometimes a problem in liver patients. Also, you may want to check out the glycemic index. Since you are largely dependent on carbs, it would seem logical to focus on those which do not cause a spike in blood sugars. http://diabetes.about.com/library/mendosagi/nmendosagi.htm is a good site to check out. Although the glycemic index was developed primarily for diabetic insulin control, I find it enormously helpful in regulating my appetite. Since the pancreas produces insulin, anything you can do to reduce the stress on the pancreas is likely to help. Exercise allows the cells to use energy without insulin giving your pancreas a break. I am not talking about the kind of exercise that requires you to spend the day at the gym, etc. but frequent moderate exercise. 'Moderate' being determined by your response and your Doc's recommendations. Most cases of pancreatitis can be attributed to gallbladder problems or alcohol consumption. Without a history of either, it is curious that you are still bothered by it after all these years. I assume they have done tests to rule out an autoimmune response? > As for my gall bladder, it was removed 8 years ago when I had my first major > bout of pancreatitis (when I was in ICU). They thought it was caused by > that & went in to get it to see if that cleared up my pancreatitis. It > didn't, all surgery did was give me pneumonia which made me have to be on > oxygen. :( If by oxygen you mean a ventilator, you have my deepest sympathies! Good luck. Stick around. The biggest benefit of losing weight will be that you feel better. I imagine that is a challenge for you on some days. j > If I were you, I would consider something along the following lines. > Determine how much protien you can eat in a day without taxing the liver. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Where is your gall bladder in all this? Just curious. >Most cases of pancreatitis can be >attributed to gallbladder problems or alcohol consumption. Without a >history of either, it is curious that you are still bothered by it after all >these years. I assume they have done tests to rule out an autoimmune >response? When my boss's 14-year-old son had pancreatitis a few years back, they eventually attributed it to a drug he was taking for a psychological problem. I don't know what the drug was, though. Chris >>would suspect that your pancreas would love you for placing less demands >>on it as will come with weight loss and proper diet. Your gut would love [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > enzymes jump sky high. I can't eat some veggies, such as high amounts of > lettuce, celery & corn because my body can't digest it. If you have a chance you might want to go to a bookstore and check out some of the Cooking Light stuff (books and magazines). To me, the real benefit to the Cooking Light products is they have the nutritional info for each recipe listed so you can decide if it is too high in fat or protein for your specific needs. Also, see if they have the Mayo Clinic Williams-Sonoma cookbook. This book also lists the nutritional info for each recipe and it has photos of each recipe so that you can decide if it looks like something you and your family would like to eat and if it meets your nutritional needs. Also, programs like FitDay (fitday.com) will track your daily intake of everything so that you can keep track on a daily basis.  Signaturejmk in NC Rechelle, Good that you are here. It is a very helpful place. People who are sympathizing, have "been there" and can give you a good dose of reality. There are a cuple of idiots in denial, like everywhere, but on balance it is a wonderful place. You can also stay pretty anonymous. Take what you like and leave the rest. Remember that we are not doctors here. So no one can say anything specific about your particular health problems such as pancreatitis. I am sure that if your doc says no to low carbing, then you should not be low carbing. There are many ways to lose weight. All of the ones that work well involve eating less calories than you spend, and exercising, such as walking and weightlifting. Losing weight without exercise leads to very poor results. Now how you get yourself to eat less without being tormented by hunger, is your own decision. Low carb or whatever. What many people have done here is, instead of low carbing as such, they stop eating certain foods that trigger hunger and are not very nutritious. They includes sweets, snacks, junk food, and sodas. Some also stop eating bread and potatoes, which I did not do. Dieting is a lot easier without junk foods. How much do you have to lose? We often post three numbers, like this, 223/176/180, this means I was 223, I am 176, and my target weight is 180. If by lazy gut you mean constipation problems, many people report great success with improving "regularity" by eating a lot of low calorie vegetables rich in fiber. They are also helpful to dieters becausethey make you feel full. Once you get rid of junk food and sweets, these vegetables may start tasting much better to you. Beware of trying to lose weight too fast, it can lead to eating disorders and many other health problems. Also, it is difficult to get enough vitamins, proteins etc if you eat less than a certain minimum of calories. Good luck. i 223/176/180 > I'm trying to lose weight, but my GI and family doctor both say that I'll > have a hard time because of having a fatty liver & "lazy gut" where food [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Any ideas? My main issues are that I can *not* low carb. I also have to be low protein & low fat, so it makes it challenging to say the least. I've cut WAY back on my sugar intake. As for exercising, I do a fair bit between walking around my job, and going up & down the stairs instead of the elevator. Due to my stomach issues, I don't eat a lot. Normally one meal a day and even that's not a big one. Other than that I snack on fruit at work and drink either Gatorade, water or iced tea (caffeine free). I don't drink alcohol so I don't have to worry about the calories or carbs there. When I do get a sweet craving I chew sugar free gum. For my numbers they have gone down slightly but I bounce around. They're 226/210/160 (considering my height, 160 is the high end of normal). I'm not able to do a lot of strenous exercise due to being post op with complications still (ala my having a test tomorrow). I can walk, but not a long distance due to my health. Can not lift anything over 20 lbs (can't lift my oldest cat even) and I'm not supposed to do stairs, but that's the one thing I do do. Rechelle, Good that you are here. It is a very helpful place. People who are sympathizing, have "been there" and can give you a good dose of reality. There are a cuple of idiots in denial, like everywhere, but on balance it is a wonderful place. You can also stay pretty anonymous. Take what you like and leave the rest. Remember that we are not doctors here. So no one can say anything specific about your particular health problems such as pancreatitis. I am sure that if your doc says no to low carbing, then you should not be low carbing. There are many ways to lose weight. All of the ones that work well involve eating less calories than you spend, and exercising, such as walking and weightlifting. Losing weight without exercise leads to very poor results. Now how you get yourself to eat less without being tormented by hunger, is your own decision. Low carb or whatever. What many people have done here is, instead of low carbing as such, they stop eating certain foods that trigger hunger and are not very nutritious. They includes sweets, snacks, junk food, and sodas. Some also stop eating bread and potatoes, which I did not do. Dieting is a lot easier without junk foods. How much do you have to lose? We often post three numbers, like this, 223/176/180, this means I was 223, I am 176, and my target weight is 180. If by lazy gut you mean constipation problems, many people report great success with improving "regularity" by eating a lot of low calorie vegetables rich in fiber. They are also helpful to dieters becausethey make you feel full. Once you get rid of junk food and sweets, these vegetables may start tasting much better to you. Beware of trying to lose weight too fast, it can lead to eating disorders and many other health problems. Also, it is difficult to get enough vitamins, proteins etc if you eat less than a certain minimum of calories. Good luck. i 223/176/180 In article <9Qtpb.139$v9.69@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>, Rechelle wrote: > I'm trying to lose weight, but my GI and family doctor both say that I'll > have a hard time because of having a fatty liver & "lazy gut" where food [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Any ideas? > My main issues are that I can *not* low carb. I also have to be low protein > & low fat, so it makes it challenging to say the least. I've cut WAY back > on my sugar intake. Keep the sugar intake down, you can find sugar in some interesting places. > As for exercising, I do a fair bit between walking around my job, and going > up & down the stairs instead of the elevator. Due to my stomach issues, I [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > about the calories or carbs there. When I do get a sweet craving I chew > sugar free gum. Gatorade and more than likely your iced tea has sugar in it, how many of these do you drink a day? With gatorade, depending on the type you are drinking you will get anywhere from 30 to 360 calories for a bottle. Over the past few weeks, I've noticed that it's often the small things which add up. > For my numbers they have gone down slightly but I bounce around. They're > 226/210/160 (considering my height, 160 is the high end of normal). I'm not [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > lift my oldest cat even) and I'm not supposed to do stairs, but that's the > one thing I do do. Every little bit helps, lift 15 lbs multiple times (check with your doctor of course). I'm a pretty big man, and I can make my muscles burn with 20 lb dumbells. If you can't walk long distances, walk a bunch of short ones. Do what you're comfortable with, and what your doctor approves, and try to do it often. Dan - 305/288/220 > > My main issues are that I can *not* low carb. I also have to be low > protein > > & low fat, so it makes it challenging to say the least. I've cut WAY back > > on my sugar intake. > > Keep the sugar intake down, you can find sugar in some interesting places. It's frightening where that stuff is hidden!! > Gatorade and more than likely your iced tea has sugar in it, how many of > these do you drink a day? With gatorade, depending on the type you are > drinking you will get anywhere from 30 to 360 calories for a bottle. Over > the past few weeks, I've noticed that it's often the small things which add > up. Soft drinks are a big one. There was a woman in my diet class who drank a lot of Propel and Gatorade thinking they were healthy and couldn't figure out why she wasn't losing weight. Another biggie is sodium. I don't know how much sodium is in Gatorade, but commercially prepared drinks can have quite a bit of sodium in them as they add up. I am the kind of person who will drink an entire 2 liter pitcher of Crystal Light if I make it, so I keep my eye on that stuff. > > For my numbers they have gone down slightly but I bounce around. They're > > 226/210/160 (considering my height, 160 is the high end of normal). I'm [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Dan - 305/288/220 ITA agree with you Dan. Everything I've read lately says that as long as you're getting 30 minutes minimum, you can break it up into smaller parts (3-10 minute sessions) and it is definitely better than not doing anything! Don't worry about hitting the ideal in the first few weeks/month especially when you have other issues to deal with. Do what you can now and you'll be amazed at how quickly you'll be able to do more over time. Jenn > I'm trying to lose weight, but my GI and family doctor both say that I'll > have a hard time because of having a fatty liver & "lazy gut" where food [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Any ideas? Eat less, exercise. Make sensible eating choices - use common sense. Exercise can be something as low impact as walking, but do it often. Find a doctor who will work with you to tackle your weight loss. det >I'm trying to lose weight, but my GI and family doctor both say that I'll >have a hard time because of having a fatty liver & "lazy gut" where food [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Any ideas? I've never heard either of those terms used as medical terms. Maybe "excuses" ... Although that doesn't mean there isn't some true medical disorder that could have those nonmedical nicknames associated with them. I also don't know anything about pancreas disease. That being said. Many people, actually, most people, have some medical condition or another and can choose to use that as an excuse to remain heavy or challenge themselves to put medical issues asside and still lose weight. Can you exercise? If yes, do you exercise? If yes, what exercises do you do? Can you post a typical day's food and liquid consumption? Maybe even a few days worth. That way we can get an idea of what you are about. (oh, sex, age, height and starting weight are useful here) Some sources for you to check out. 1. www.stumptuous.com/weights.html 2. www.fitday.com You don't have to do "low carb" if you've got a medical condition that warrents against it. But that doesn't mean you can still get away with eating all the white flour and sugary based products. THose are just empty calories. The bottom line to losing weight is: eat less exercise more repeat forever Some people have success just by cutting out sugar, white flour and soda/beer/juice out of their diets and living off of meat, veggies, legumes, whole grain breads, pastas and of course limited portions. > I've never heard either of those terms used as medical terms. Maybe > "excuses" ... Although that doesn't mean there isn't some true > medical disorder that could have those nonmedical nicknames associated > with them. I also don't know anything about pancreas disease. Jayjay, these are both terms used commonly in the medical community. You will find this out if you do a web search. It seems a little unkind of you to call them "excuses" just because you have not heard of them. You might easily have looked them up before jumping to such a conclusion. Fatty liver basically means, I believe, an excessive accumulation of lipids in the liver. It has a variety of causes, but I gather is sometimes related to pancreatitis. (I have a couple of friends who have both. Pancreatitis is a nasty disease that I wouldn't wish on anyone.) I believe the technical term for fatty liver is hepatic steatosis. Lazy gut (also called "lazy bowel", and probably other names as well), I believe, refers to a condition in which the body's signals to the bowel to empty don't work right. It's kind of like constipation, but doesn't necessarily involve hard stools. The contractions needed to move the bowel just don't start as readily as they should. One cause of this can be overuse of laxatives. It can go along with irritable bowel syndrome, but I think has other causes as well. But -- to the original poster -- as others have said, we all have conditions that can make it challenging to lose weight. You just have to work with what you've got. Less food, healthy food choices, and more exercise are the solution -- no magic bullets needed. Chris >> I've never heard either of those terms used as medical terms. Maybe >> "excuses" ... Although that doesn't mean there isn't some true [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >of them. You might easily have looked them up before jumping to such >a conclusion. You've taken what I said out of context. Hey - I could easily say that because I'm on hormones that its hard for me to lose weight. Although I don't let that "excuse" hinder my weight loss or use it as an excuse for weight gain. I said I had not heart of "lazy gut" or "fatty liver" ... but that didn't mean that they didn't exist or that there isn't a medical term out there. I'm sorry - but I do not have the time to look up every generic term or medical disorder that people proclaim to have. To me - lazy gut could be the same as "beer belly".. And I'm not going to take the time to look it up - but I said that in my post that it didn't mean there was a medical name associated w/ those disorders. If there is - great. They leave alot to the imagination when used in the terms like that. >Fatty liver basically means, I believe, an excessive accumulation of >lipids in the liver. It has a variety of causes, but I gather is [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >Chris >Jayjay, these are both terms used commonly in the medical community. >You will find this out if you do a web search. It seems a little >unkind of you to call them "excuses" just because you have not heard >of them. You might easily have looked them up before jumping to such >a conclusion. Thank you Chris. People who jump to conclusions tend to show ignorance more than anything. >Fatty liver basically means, I believe, an excessive accumulation of >lipids in the liver. It has a variety of causes, but I gather is >sometimes related to pancreatitis. (I have a couple of friends who >have both. Pancreatitis is a nasty disease that I wouldn't wish on >anyone.) I believe the technical term for fatty liver is hepatic >steatosis. Yep for the fatty liver. Mine is related to the pancreatitis and you're right. Pancreatitis is something I wouldn't wish upon anyone (well maybe my ex husband LOL). My first bout of it put me in ICU for 2 weeks living on a morphine pump, with the doctors telling my family I had less than a 10% chance of survival. I like proving doctors wrong. :D >Lazy gut (also called "lazy bowel", and probably other names as well), >I believe, refers to a condition in which the body's signals to the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >of this can be overuse of laxatives. It can go along with irritable >bowel syndrome, but I think has other causes as well. Actually what I have is called Gastroparesi. The muscles that contract the stomach to move the food to the duodenum & intestinal tract don't work properly, causing the food to sit there for hours. Thereby delaying the absorption of nutrients & causing pain, nausea and usually vomitting if the food isn't gone in a certain amount of time. To give an example ... In March 2002 I had an endoscopy done. I hadn't eaten in about 15 hours (last time I ate was dinner at about 5:30 or 6:00 and procedure was at 9:00). When the scope went down to my stomach, the food was still there, not even broken up completely. So it tends to just sit. I've had this off & on ever since I had my major round with pancreatitis & it gets worse with every attack to where it, my liver & my pancreas are all acting up badly now. I hate diet pills so I would never take any. I've tried them and they make me jittery. :( >Yep for the fatty liver. Mine is related to the pancreatitis and you're >right. Pancreatitis is something I wouldn't wish upon anyone (well maybe my >ex husband LOL). My first bout of it put me in ICU for 2 weeks living on a >morphine pump, with the doctors telling my family I had less than a 10% >chance of survival. I like proving doctors wrong. :D My boss's 14-year-old son nearly died of pancreatitis a couple of years ago. He was in Johns Hopkins for about 3 months, and had a couple of surgeries. And if this wasn't bad enough, they kept trying to tell his parents that they didn't see any way he could have gotten so bad except by being an alcoholic (which he most certainly was not). >Actually what I have is called Gastroparesi. The muscles that contract the >stomach to move the food to the duodenum & intestinal tract don't work [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >since I had my major round with pancreatitis & it gets worse with every >attack to where it, my liver & my pancreas are all acting up badly now. Interesting -- thanks for the explanation. Sounds most unpleasant. >I hate diet pills so I would never take any. I've tried them and they make >me jittery. :( That would be my vote, too. I hope you get to feeling better. I'd work on recovering a bit before you undertake dieting too seriously. Just try to start a little more gentle exercise and maybe try to improve the quality of your diet a bit. Both might help you feel better, too. Chris >I've never heard either of those terms used as medical terms. Maybe >"excuses" ... Although that doesn't mean there isn't some true >medical disorder that could have those nonmedical nicknames associated >with them. I also don't know anything about pancreas disease. Before you start calling them "excuses" here are a few things for you to read: http://cpmcnet.columbia.edu/dept/gi/fatty.html http://www.merck.com/pubs/mmanual_home/sec10/117.htm http://digestive.niddk.nih.gov/ddiseases/pubs/pancreatitis/index.htm http://www.pancassociation.org/ http://www.gicare.com/pated/ecdgs45.htm http://www.healthcentral.com/mhc/top/000297.cfm The first 2 are for the fatty liver, the next 2 are for the pancreas & the bottom 2 are for my stomach. I could hunt up more website if you want. My point here is that it is hardly an "excuse". >Can you exercise? If yes, do you exercise? If yes, what exercises do >you do? No not really, not at this present moment, due to being post op and still having complications. I am still having tests done to determine exactly how long it takes for food to get out of my stomach. After this test, I'll probably have a fasting test to determine if I have diabetes or insulin resistance. But what I do do is walk up & down the stairs at work about 3 or 4 times a day (I work on the 3rd floor). >Can you post a typical day's food and liquid consumption? Maybe even >a few days worth. That way we can get an idea of what you are about. >(oh, sex, age, height and starting weight are useful here) Female, 29, 5'9 and at my heaviest 250. I'm currently 210 and pretty much bottomed out. I'll drop to 190 or 195 lbs and then gain it back without having changed a thing. As for what I eat it varies between fruit (grapes and apples mainly), low fat yogurt, toast or bagels (with no cream cheese, only low fat margarine), small serving of meat, rice & beans frequently to g et protein, low amounts of pasta, potatoes, salad (once in awhile my "excuses" have a hard time with lettuce). I do not eat fries, fast food anything, very rarely bacon or ham and beef has become a once or twice a week meal. I've cut down dramatically on my sugar intake. For what I drink, Gatorade, water or iced tea (decaf). Also hot tea (again decaf). Once in awhile I give in and have a decaf pepsi (do you see the pattern?). I typically drink at least 4 - 500 ml bottles of water in a day, plus one or two 32 oz Gatorades. Iced tea I drink when we go out to dinner & hot tea at night. <snip> >The bottom line to losing weight is: >eat less >exercise more >repeat forever Really???? I wouldn't have guessed that! >Some people have success just by cutting out sugar, white flour and >soda/beer/juice out of their diets and living off of meat, veggies, >legumes, whole grain breads, pastas and of course limited portions. With my stomach, my portions are always limited. Example, we'll go out & I'll get fish & potatoes & one other veggie. I'll take home 3/4 of the chicken & about half of the potatoes & veggie. Once in awhile we'll go & I'll get a hamburger. Again I get a salad as my side and end up taking 3/4 of the burger home. I can not eat a large amount of *anything*. > Female, 29, 5'9 and at my heaviest 250. I'm currently 210 and pretty much > bottomed out. I'll drop to 190 or 195 lbs and then gain it back without [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > plus one or two 32 oz Gatorades. Iced tea I drink when we go out to dinner > & hot tea at night. Your BMR is about 1750 cals/day, if you drink two Gatorades, you have consumed 400 calories (on average). Throw in your bagel with margarine, and cup of low fat yogurt, you've eaten a little under half of your BMR (approx 800 calories). Keep your eye on what you are consuming, measure it, log it. Take a good accurate look, and try to make changes. Dan Hi Dan, That's on a good day when I'm actually able to eat. Generally I have one meal (dinner) and snack the rest of the day. Bagel isn't an every day thing, but I do snack on carrots, cucumbers, tomatoes, grapes. My margarine is low fat, low cal and I use it very sparingly. If I don't use margarine I use a little bit of honey (I have the cinnamon raisin bagels). My only downfall is sodium, but I make up for that with diurectics. One question ... what's BMR? Thanks, Rechelle Your BMR is about 1750 cals/day, if you drink two Gatorades, you have consumed 400 calories (on average). Throw in your bagel with margarine, and cup of low fat yogurt, you've eaten a little under half of your BMR (approx 800 calories). Keep your eye on what you are consuming, measure it, log it. Take a good accurate look, and try to make changes. Dan > Hi Dan, > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Thanks, > Rechelle Basal Metabolic Rate or the number of calories it takes to sustain your body at its current weight. The formula we use in HMR for females is 11 cal/pound which seems low but tends to be dead on for most people who are moderately active. There are many places on the web that will give you a variety of numbers. It's an estimate. It's all estimates, but as long as you are consistent, estimates are fine. Jenn > Hi Dan, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > use a little bit of honey (I have the cinnamon raisin bagels). My only > downfall is sodium, but I make up for that with diurectics. these tidbits of information are not a substitute for getting your calorie intake under control. you can get very fat on low fat margarine. i > One question ... what's BMR? > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Dan I don't use either every day. It's about 2 or 3 times a week *if* that much. You've got to understand, I literally only eat one meal a day and it's not that large. I can't eat a lot of food, otherwise I get sick (no I don't have eating disorders). As I said in my post to Dan I don't use a lot of margarine or honey, due to the fact I don't have bagels every day. In article <NxHpb.7006$v9.474@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>, Rechelle wrote: > Hi Dan, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > use a little bit of honey (I have the cinnamon raisin bagels). My only > downfall is sodium, but I make up for that with diurectics. these tidbits of information are not a substitute for getting your calorie intake under control. you can get very fat on low fat margarine. > I don't use either every day. It's about 2 or 3 times a week *if* that > much. You've got to understand, I literally only eat one meal a day and > it's not that large. I can't eat a lot of food, otherwise I get sick (no I > don't have eating disorders). As I said in my post to Dan I don't use a lot > of margarine or honey, due to the fact I don't have bagels every day. My suggestion to you would be to record everything you eat for a few days, and eat like you normally do. Then calculate your calorie intake. You may be eating more calories than you expect. Then try cutting some foods of lower nutritional value and up your exercise a little bit. You can mislead yourself greatly if you eat some "diet" foods and think that it automatically makes you eat fewer calories or are going to start losing weight automatically. To be sure, you do not have to count calories every day as it is very tedious. I lost 47 lbs without counting calories. No matter what you do though, controlling your total food intake is unavoidable. I counted food intake by portion control and volume. Just switching some food to "lighter" versions without controlling the rest of your food will not lead to weight loss most likely. i 223/176/180 > In article <NxHpb.7006$v9.474@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>, Rechelle wrote: >> Hi Dan, [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > these tidbits of information are not a substitute for getting your > calorie intake under control. you can get very fat on low fat margarine. >I don't use either every day. It's about 2 or 3 times a week *if* that >much. You've got to understand, I literally only eat one meal a day and >it's not that large. I can't eat a lot of food, otherwise I get sick (no I >don't have eating disorders). As I said in my post to Dan I don't use a lot >of margarine or honey, due to the fact I don't have bagels every day. When you signed up for this group - did you read through any of the messages? I ask - because Brad Sheppard just posted yesterday on the subject of only eating one meal a day: Subject: Skip breakfast lately? Oh Oh <b06e736a.0310311224.49f0bb86@posting.google.com> Have you considered eating many small meals per day. Give it a try. Or at least discuss this with your doctor. > That's on a good day when I'm actually able to eat. Generally I have one > meal (dinner) and snack the rest of the day. Bagel isn't an every day > thing, but I do snack on carrots, cucumbers, tomatoes, grapes. My margarine > is low fat, low cal and I use it very sparingly. If I don't use margarine I > use a little bit of honey (I have the cinnamon raisin bagels). My only > downfall is sodium, but I make up for that with diurectics. Keep an honest log for a while, I imagine you will be quite surprised. I don't know a great deal about dieting, though I do understand that if you aren't putting in the fuel, you should be loosing weight. I would almost be willing to bet that you are getting some surprise calories from somewhere. Dan Well at the risk of sounding like a smartass.. which from your post you should be really familiar with. Your OP was fairly vague and didn't give much to go on when JayJay responded. And.. You obviously got overweight SOMEHOW, Right? It's obvious you need to be seeking medical advice, not weightloss support advice from Usenet. I normally don't respond to folks like you but your tone was rude. Goodluck with your conditions and weightloss if that is the path you end up taking. <plonk> Susan 260/210/160 --- 1month 3weeks 6days 1:52hours of being smoke-free, 2,280 cigs not smoked, $421.80 saved, 1week 22:00hours of my life saved > >I've never heard either of those terms used as medical terms. Maybe > >"excuses" ... Although that doesn't mean there isn't some true [quoted text clipped - 64 lines] > I'll get a hamburger. Again I get a salad as my side and end up taking 3/4 > of the burger home. I can not eat a large amount of *anything*. >>I've never heard either of those terms used as medical terms. Maybe >>"excuses" ... Although that doesn't mean there isn't some true [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >I could hunt up more website if you want. My point here is that it is >hardly an "excuse". Rechelle - I appologized in your other post, and I'll appologize again. What I meant by "excuses" is ... you can either live your life in pity by saying that because of medical conditions you can't lose weight. Or you can over come and not use your medical conditions as an excuse and challenge yourself instead to overcome your obsticles. Yes, it may be harder for you to lose weight. But don't let that stop you. Just like someone who is permanently injured, doesn't let that stop them. Or a blind person doesn't let their blindness hinder them from havign a good life. >>Can you exercise? If yes, do you exercise? If yes, what exercises do >>you do? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >resistance. But what I do do is walk up & down the stairs at work about 3 >or 4 times a day (I work on the 3rd floor). Well - that's exercise! :-) Do you have any other opportunity to walk? Can you wake up earlier and go for a 20 min walk in the morning. Or what about evening, or lunch? >For what I drink, Gatorade, water or iced tea (decaf). Also hot tea (again >decaf). Once in awhile I give in and have a decaf pepsi (do you see the >pattern?). I typically drink at least 4 - 500 ml bottles of water in a day, >plus one or two 32 oz Gatorades. Iced tea I drink when we go out to dinner >& hot tea at night. Caution on the gatorade... That stuff is loaded with sugar and calories. A serving is 8 oz. 50 cals, and 14g sugar. 64oz per day = 400 calories and 112 grams of sugar. For someone whose daily calorie intake probably about 1800 cals per day. Think of it this way - you are drinking away about 20% of your daily calorie allotment. Tea - do you add cream or sugar to hot tea? What about sugar to cold tea? Add more cals there if you do. One thing I have done over the years is to water down my gatorade. I do drink that stuff too, but I'll only fill my 32oz bottle w/ about 4 to 6 oz of gatorade, the rest with water. I get the flavor w/out the sugar and calories of a full drink. Also remember on the pepsi - 8oz is 100 cals and 27grams of sugar. a 12oz can is 150 cals and 40g sugar. One every once in a while isn't bad. Now - all that being said - you are possibly drinking about 1/4 of your calorie allotment per day. That is all that much less food you should consume. One thing to try is to check out www.fitday.com and start logging your food. Go with what you usually eat on a normal (non diet) day and put it all in. See where your starting point is. You'll probably find you are very high in the carbs and very low in fiber and protein. This is where working with your doctor will come into play. How much fiber and protein can you handle and learning more about the GI index of carbohydrates in foods will help with the carbs. You have 2 things now to consider - 1 is your existing medical problems w/ panc and stomach. 2 is the possibility of diabetes. So, I can see you really need help. A few sites to go visit: (I have no affiliation w/ any of them) http://diabetes.about.com/library/mendosagi/ngilists.htm http://www.faqs.org/faqs/diabetes/faq/part3/section-16.html http://www.mendosa.com/gi.htm (this used to work, but I can't get to it today) www.stumptuous.com/weights.html www.fitday.com www.caloriesperhour.com JayJay, Thank you. I'm sorry for the tone in my response, I was in a foul mood and kind of took it out on you. I am sorry for that. Well I think I need to haul out the scale. I was talking to a friend & put my hand in my pocket of my jeans & they came off without having to undo them. So that was kinda cool. :D Maybe those dang stairs at the building at working. LOL! The problem with both the pancreatitis & fatty liver is they cause obesity. That's why I was asking if anyone knew how to go about losing weight when I can't cut carbs. Maybe you can help me on a question ... Is The Zone diet any good? Walking I still am too weak for any length of time. I do plan on starting to go on leisurely walks in the park or somewhere, may not walk as fast as I'ld like but at least it'ld be something. My husband doesn't like me walking at night now that I get home after dark, not to mention I am just physically & mentally beat by the time I walk in the door. :D I got some good exercise Saturday, I cleaned out my car (that was a chore of its own), detailed the inside, went & washed & waxed it. Took me about 2 hours to do all that. Plus Sunday we went walking around the mall (again not as fast as I'ld like but its something). So even on weekends when I'm not climbing stairs I still find some way to get moving. Saturdays I'm a football widow, so I'm solo on those ones. Actually I misrepresented on the Gatorade. When I drink that I don't drink any sodas, juices, etc, only water as my other subsitute. And that's mainly when I don't feel good. For both teas, I use Sweet & Low, not sugar. Can't stand sugar in my tea. It makes it too sweet. Now that I'm switching to diet pepsi again, it'll make almost every drink too sweet. Yeah I'm beginning to think that I may be diabetic or at least insulin resistant. I'm kinda nervous to find out even. But I know I need to. Especially after today's test on my stomach. First round of radioactive oatmeal (EWWW) I got sick on so they waited a bit & gave me more. First off, there was still remnants of last nights dinner in there and it had been about 14 hours. Plus the oatmeal in 90 minutes did not move *at all*. It just sat there. So therein lies my biggest challenge I think. *Hopefully* when we get my stomach to move food normally I'll be able to lose some weight & eat meals again. Like I said, it's not that I want to eat only 1 but if I try to eat 2, even if both are small, I end up getting sick to my stomach. <sigh> I'm being bad right now. I should be drinking a water, but I'm drinking a cream soda. That's mainly because for whatever reason, vanilla calms my stomach. So it was either a cream soda or vanilla ice cream & the cream soda seemed like a better choice for me. Plus if I eat ice cream, then I want to binge on it, so I avoid it. That's why I've cut out sweets, I can't resist if I do eat them. Only sweet thing I allow myself is a hard peppermint candy once in awhile. Again, I am sorry for how my response may have sounded. Sincerely, Rechelle Rechelle - I appologized in your other post, and I'll appologize again. What I meant by "excuses" is ... you can either live your life in pity by saying that because of medical conditions you can't lose weight. Or you can over come and not use your medical conditions as an excuse and challenge yourself instead to overcome your obsticles. Yes, it may be harder for you to lose weight. But don't let that stop you. Just like someone who is permanently injured, doesn't let that stop them. Or a blind person doesn't let their blindness hinder them from havign a good life. <snip> Well - that's exercise! :-) Do you have any other opportunity to walk? Can you wake up earlier and go for a 20 min walk in the morning. Or what about evening, or lunch? <snip> Caution on the gatorade... That stuff is loaded with sugar and calories. A serving is 8 oz. 50 cals, and 14g sugar. 64oz per day = 400 calories and 112 grams of sugar. For someone whose daily calorie intake probably about 1800 cals per day. Think of it this way - you are drinking away about 20% of your daily calorie allotment. Tea - do you add cream or sugar to hot tea? What about sugar to cold tea? Add more cals there if you do. One thing I have done over the years is to water down my gatorade. I do drink that stuff too, but I'll only fill my 32oz bottle w/ about 4 to 6 oz of gatorade, the rest with water. I get the flavor w/out the sugar and calories of a full drink. Also remember on the pepsi - 8oz is 100 cals and 27grams of sugar. a 12oz can is 150 cals and 40g sugar. One every once in a while isn't bad. Now - all that being said - you are possibly drinking about 1/4 of your calorie allotment per day. That is all that much less food you should consume. One thing to try is to check out www.fitday.com and start logging your food. Go with what you usually eat on a normal (non diet) day and put it all in. See where your starting point is. You'll probably find you are very high in the carbs and very low in fiber and protein. This is where working with your doctor will come into play. How much fiber and protein can you handle and learning more about the GI index of carbohydrates in foods will help with the carbs. You have 2 things now to consider - 1 is your existing medical problems w/ panc and stomach. 2 is the possibility of diabetes. So, I can see you really need help. A few sites to go visit: (I have no affiliation w/ any of them) http://diabetes.about.com/library/mendosagi/ngilists.htm http://www.faqs.org/faqs/diabetes/faq/part3/section-16.html http://www.mendosa.com/gi.htm (this used to work, but I can't get to it today) www.stumptuous.com/weights.html www.fitday.com www.caloriesperhour.com > JayJay, > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > can't cut carbs. Maybe you can help me on a question ... Is The Zone diet > any good? The zone diet is relatively high in protien - 30 percent of calories are to come from protien. I read the book and appreciated the logic but it was very difficult for me to maintain such a rigid approach to food. Other people do well with such approaches. Brad doesn't like to have to think about what he eats and just goes for limited choices. Carol eats a special diet for celiac disease which is also very rigid. Many of us eat pretty much what we want with broader guidelines. I always have protien and severely restrict refined carbs. Along with exercise, I am finally moving the scale downwards once more. > Walking I still am too weak for any length of time. I do plan on starting > to go on leisurely walks in the park or somewhere, may not walk as fast as [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > not climbing stairs I still find some way to get moving. Saturdays I'm a > football widow, so I'm solo on those ones. All of us have to start out somewhere. I'd love to go run a marathon tomorrow but it takes time to build up strength and reserves. Being active to the point that you can without becoming overly exhausted and hurt yourself is good. I notice that when I quit exercising for a while and then go back to it, I am chronically tired the first couple of weeks. After that, I have more energy than before. Being that you are having other health issues, it may take even longer to get your strength up but every minute that you are up walking or cleaning out your car your burning more calories and being better to yourself than sitting on the sofa. I went to a meeting this morning at a client's office. Alas, the elevator was broken. I was so glad he was on the phone when I got to his office because I was winded walking up three flights of stairs in heels. It is good exercise. > Actually I misrepresented on the Gatorade. When I drink that I don't drink > any sodas, juices, etc, only water as my other subsitute. And that's mainly [quoted text clipped - 92 lines] > www.fitday.com > www.caloriesperhour.com > JayJay, > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > can't cut carbs. Maybe you can help me on a question ... Is The Zone diet > any good? Rechelle, you can cut carbs, just not drastically. If you simply eat 300 calories worth of carbs less every day, and walk for a little bit of time every day, you will lose weight garanteed. (if you can stick to it). > Walking I still am too weak for any length of time. just do a few little short walks, no need to strain too much. it should be pleasant. > I do plan on starting > to go on leisurely walks in the park or somewhere, may not walk as fast as > I'ld like but at least it'ld be something. Hey, you do not have to walk fast. > My husband doesn't like me > walking at night now that I get home after dark, not to mention I am just > physically & mentally beat by the time I walk in the door. you will be less beat if you exercise every day. >:D I got some good exercise Saturday, I cleaned out my car (that was a chore > of its own), detailed the inside, went & washed & waxed it. Took me about 2 > hours to do all that. Plus Sunday we went walking around the mall (again > not as fast as I'ld like but its something). So even on weekends when I'm > not climbing stairs I still find some way to get moving. Saturdays I'm a > football widow, so I'm solo on those ones. whatever gets you going is great. i 223/176/180 >JayJay, > >Thank you. I'm sorry for the tone in my response, I was in a foul mood and >kind of took it out on you. I am sorry for that. Hey - we all have our days. My post came off as rude - and you took it for what it was. :) I know I tend to be blunt and to the point. And your post was a bit vague. You'd be amazed at some of the stories we get in here from the "hit and run" posters. (how can I lose 20lbs in 2 weeks...) And I could write a book here about the stories I hear in real life when people ask me about my weight. But - all in due time. :) >Well I think I need to haul out the scale. I was talking to a friend & put >my hand in my pocket of my jeans & they came off without having to undo >them. So that was kinda cool. :D Maybe those dang stairs at the building >at working. LOL! Hey - congrats. That is good news. Keep on doing it. Movement helps alot. Stairs??? What are those? :-) (wish I worked in a building w/ stairs or lived in a house w/ stairs. Those things are rare in Florida - something about hurricanes knocking down taller buildings or whatnot. :) >The problem with both the pancreatitis & fatty liver is they cause obesity. >That's why I was asking if anyone knew how to go about losing weight when I >can't cut carbs. Maybe you can help me on a question ... Is The Zone diet >any good? The Zone. Well, I hesitate to offer up much in the way of advice since I know jack squat about your pan and liv problems. What I'd strongly suggest is to 1. forget name brand diets. and 2. Do your research and homework and learn about the GI (glycemic index) of foods. The GI index and eating those foods w/ lower index will help you maintain a more level ground for blood sugar. Also, these are carbohydrates that offer you a good source of carbs - instead of just empty calories. The 2nd thing I'd suggest is to look into many small (easily digestible) meals per day. Hell - if I eat 1 large meal a day, I still have food contents in my stomach 14hrs later too. :-) Several small meals, spaced out over the day (like eating every 2 or 3 hrs) might help your system. Especially if you can eat the foods that are easy for your system to digest. From here - once you knwo which foods you can eat and which ones bother you, then you can create your own way of eating. Limiting calories and exercising and you can lose weight. Eating several small meals that contain 150 - 300 calories each. >Walking I still am too weak for any length of time. I do plan on starting >to go on leisurely walks in the park or somewhere, may not walk as fast as [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >not climbing stairs I still find some way to get moving. Saturdays I'm a >football widow, so I'm solo on those ones. Well, it sounds like you are trying to do something. And any movement helps. The more you move, the more you burn. Don't let the speed hinder you. If you can only walk slow and for a few mins - that is better than sitting on your butt and watching TV. I hear you on the night walking.. I HATE this time of year because it hinders my outdoor exercise. Although I do still walk at night - and in the mornings. I like the fact that its getting ligher earlier. This AM I got up and went for a run at 5:30am. The first 1/2 hr it was still dark, but also I didnt run into a single car either, too early in my neighborhood. Then by 6am its getting light enough that people could see me. By 6:30 I returned home to get the dog and take her for a walk and that's when the people start leaving - and its light enough they can see me just fine. >Yeah I'm beginning to think that I may be diabetic or at least insulin >resistant. I'm kinda nervous to find out even. This is where learning about the gylcemic index of foods will really be beneficial to you. Whether you are diabetic or insulin resistent or not - this can help. ANd if you are, or are borderline - this can keep you from getting the a severe medical point. So, I do hope you go look into this. >I'm being bad right now. I should be drinking a water, but I'm drinking a >cream soda. That's mainly because for whatever reason, vanilla calms my [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >resist if I do eat them. Only sweet thing I allow myself is a hard >peppermint candy once in awhile. Can you do diet cream soda? And, should we re-institute the ASD water drinking game. Its a game where whenever you read the word water, you must drink! :-) Its a good way to encourage >Again, I am sorry for how my response may have sounded. > [quoted text clipped - 64 lines] >www.fitday.com >www.caloriesperhour.com JayJay, I snipped things because of how my settings are set up to respond. Anyways, ick about Florida. I live in Texas, up in Dallas so we don't have to worry about hurricanes, just get rain after tropical storms. It got freaking COLD here the past couple of days. It's 47 out right now with a windchill of 40. Blah. I'm a little nervous about the stairs at work though, some of them seem to be slightly broken. I could just see falling through one of them. LOL! It's hard to convince myself to eat anything when I am afraid I'll either be sick or be in pain. Makes it hard to motivate myself to eat. Thereby convincing my body I'm starving it so it stores more fat. Ugh. Ugh, I'm off here I'm beat. Feel free to email offlist if ya want. Hey - we all have our days. My post came off as rude - and you took it for what it was. :) I know I tend to be blunt and to the point. And your post was a bit vague. You'd be amazed at some of the stories we get in here from the "hit and run" posters. (how can I lose 20lbs in 2 weeks...) And I could write a book here about the stories I hear in real life when people ask me about my weight. But - all in due time. :) Hey - congrats. That is good news. Keep on doing it. Movement helps alot. Stairs??? What are those? :-) (wish I worked in a building w/ stairs or lived in a house w/ stairs. Those things are rare in Florida - something about hurricanes knocking down taller buildings or whatnot. :) The Zone. Well, I hesitate to offer up much in the way of advice since I know jack squat about your pan and liv problems. What I'd strongly suggest is to 1. forget name brand diets. and 2. Do your research and homework and learn about the GI (glycemic index) of foods. The GI index and eating those foods w/ lower index will help you maintain a more level ground for blood sugar. Also, these are carbohydrates that offer you a good source of carbs - instead of just empty calories. The 2nd thing I'd suggest is to look into many small (easily digestible) meals per day. Hell - if I eat 1 large meal a day, I still have food contents in my stomach 14hrs later too. :-) Several small meals, spaced out over the day (like eating every 2 or 3 hrs) might help your system. Especially if you can eat the foods that are easy for your system to digest. From here - once you knwo which foods you can eat and which ones bother you, then you can create your own way of eating. Limiting calories and exercising and you can lose weight. Eating several small meals that contain 150 - 300 calories each. Well, it sounds like you are trying to do something. And any movement helps. The more you move, the more you burn. Don't let the speed hinder you. If you can only walk slow and for a few mins - that is better than sitting on your butt and watching TV. I hear you on the night walking.. I HATE this time of year because it hinders my outdoor exercise. Although I do still walk at night - and in the mornings. I like the fact that its getting ligher earlier. This AM I got up and went for a run at 5:30am. The first 1/2 hr it was still dark, but also I didnt run into a single car either, too early in my neighborhood. Then by 6am its getting light enough that people could see me. By 6:30 I returned home to get the dog and take her for a walk and that's when the people start leaving - and its light enough they can see me just fine. This is where learning about the gylcemic index of foods will really be beneficial to you. Whether you are diabetic or insulin resistent or not - this can help. ANd if you are, or are borderline - this can keep you from getting the a severe medical point. So, I do hope you go look into this. Can you do diet cream soda? And, should we re-institute the ASD water drinking game. Its a game where whenever you read the word water, you must drink! :-) Its a good way to encourage So Rechelle, have you decided on some starting plan yet? i > JayJay, > [quoted text clipped - 78 lines] > where whenever you read the word water, you must drink! :-) Its a > good way to encourage Still working on that. Not sure entirely where to start, except exercise. When I dropped to a size 10 all I had done was walking. Didn't change my eating habits at all (heck they may have been worse, I was in college full time & working 35 to 40 hours per week). So if I can just get into a routine of walking daily again and watch some of my empty calories I should be good. I just need to keep my fat & protein low to prevent pain and/or nausea. For pasta, is whole wheat alright? So Rechelle, have you decided on some starting plan yet? > Still working on that. Not sure entirely where to start, except exercise. > When I dropped to a size 10 all I had done was walking. Didn't change my [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > For pasta, is whole wheat alright? Don't worry, you don't need a plan, just start cutting back on things. Pasta is fine, as long as you keep to a single serving (1/2 cup). Measure your servings so you're not eating. I don't lowcarb, so I still eat pasta, just single servings of it. Makes sure you get lots of veggies and fruit and keep moving as much as possible. I'm going to bed, I'm tired from wall climbing....g-night! Martha walking is 100% guaranteed to make your life better, unless you are extremely heavy or have unusual problems. You can start walking now and think about your eating plan for some more time. That would be my suggestion. i > Still working on that. Not sure entirely where to start, except exercise. > When I dropped to a size 10 all I had done was walking. Didn't change my [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > So Rechelle, have you decided on some starting plan yet? > JayJay, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > freaking COLD here the past couple of days. It's 47 out right now with a > windchill of 40. Cold is a relative term. It's 15 degrees (F) here right now (Northern WI). :) Jenn :P I grew up in Canada and since I moved to Texas, I've become a wimp when it comes to cold. Oh wait, I was a wimp about it in Canada also! :D Along the lines of that kid in the Christmas Story movie with about 10 layers of clothing on. LOL! Cold is a relative term. It's 15 degrees (F) here right now (Northern WI). :) Jenn >> JayJay, >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >Cold is a relative term. It's 15 degrees (F) here right now (Northern WI). >:) And its due to be in the upper 80's again to day here. :) > >> JayJay, > >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > And its due to be in the upper 80's again to day here. :) Yeah, I came home yesterday and immediately put on my shorts. It is a tad cooler today with the highs in the seventies. Might have to light a fire. j <sigh> I wish it was that way here!! I'm freezing! I'm thinking I need to run to WalMart & get some warmer pj's. LOL! immediately put on my shorts. It is a tad cooler today with the highs in the seventies. Might have to light a fire. j "Rechelle" wrote <snip> > Walking I still am too weak for any length of time. I do plan on starting > to go on leisurely walks in the park or somewhere, may not walk as fast as > I'ld like but at least it'ld be something. My husband doesn't like me > walking at night now that I get home after dark, not to mention I am just > physically & mentally beat by the time I walk in the door. Walking helps me SO much mentally! I turn on my music, get up to speed and just zone out. It's lovely. I can't walk outside in the dark at all - roads are curvy, shoulders narrow and no street lights! But I walk outside early in the morning or at lunch time. I bought a treadmill when I KNEW I wouldn't use it for a clothes rack and do that after supper now. Walk as much as you can - it works! SignatureWalking on . . . Laurie in Maine 207/110 60 inches of attitude! Start: 2/02 Maintained since 2/03 > I'm trying to lose weight, but my GI and family doctor both say that I'll > have a hard time because of having a fatty liver & "lazy gut" where food [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Any ideas? Has your doctor suggested any type of diet for the fatty liver and pancreatitis? I would have thought he would offer some type of diet information. I found one for pancreatitis in the link below. It seems to be a sensible diet for anyone, especially someone wanting to lose weight. Often these conditions are linked closely to alcohol and of course it should be avoided. A sensible low-fat diet and exercise should help. Are you able to exercise? Walking is a great form of exercise. http://www.dochayes.com/Diets/Pancreatitis%20-%20Post%20Cholecystectomy%20D iets.pdf Yep, low fat, low protein, high carb. I do walk as well as climb stairs. Not a lot of luck in that department. :( Thanks for the link! Has your doctor suggested any type of diet for the fatty liver and pancreatitis? I would have thought he would offer some type of diet information. I found one for pancreatitis in the link below. It seems to be a sensible diet for anyone, especially someone wanting to lose weight. Often these conditions are linked closely to alcohol and of course it should be avoided. A sensible low-fat diet and exercise should help. Are you able to exercise? Walking is a great form of exercise. http://www.dochayes.com/Diets/Pancreatitis%20-%20Post%20Cholecystectomy%20D iets.pdf > Yep, low fat, low protein, high carb. I do walk as well as climb stairs. > Not a lot of luck in that department. :( > > Thanks for the link! I've read the other posts and I must say you've had your share of health problems with this disease. I certainly hope you're on the road to recovery. Stick around the group, you'll find lots of support and information on weight loss. Beverly > Has your doctor suggested any type of diet for the fatty liver and > pancreatitis? I would have thought he would offer some type of diet [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > should be avoided. A sensible low-fat diet and exercise should help. Are > you able to exercise? Walking is a great form of exercise. http://www.dochayes.com/Diets/Pancreatitis%20-%20Post%20Cholecystectomy%20D > iets.pdf Thanks Beverly. I've never had very good health, but it seems to go back & forth with different things, but my digestive system is probably the one that I worry about the most. I try not to do the self pity thing, but it comes out once in awhile. There are a lot of people out there who have it a lot worse than I do. :D Yeah I think I'll stick around, now that people know what I'm dealing with. Hope you're having a good day! I've read the other posts and I must say you've had your share of health problems with this disease. I certainly hope you're on the road to recovery. Stick around the group, you'll find lots of support and information on weight loss. Beverly > I'm trying to lose weight, but my GI and family doctor both say that I'll > have a hard time because of having a fatty liver & "lazy gut" where food [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Any ideas? So does your doctor suggest you just stay overweight? That's not very healthy. My knee-jerk opinion is that if a doctor is that unsupportive it's time for a new doctor. Is having a "Lazy Gut" the same thing being "Big Boned"? I don't know anything about your pancreas condition so I apologize for being a bit naive here, but what types of foods are resticted for you: is it protein? Is it fats? Quantity plays a bigger role than the type of food. Obviously, small amounts of some things = large amounts of other things. Once you figure out exactly what you can and can't eat you can figure out a diet. Also, be aware: medications often play tricks with the amount of fluids your body retains. Remember, some people have it harder than others, but being overweight IS a choice. AL No he doesn't suggest that. Lazy gut is an actual medical condition called Gastroparesis. In my response to JayJay I gave links to explain it. Both protein & fat are restricted for me. I have trouble with both of them as well as some vegetables (such as lettuce, celery, corn). Because of the gastroparesis I don't eat a high quantity of anything and I tend to not be able to eat more than one meal a day with a snack in the middle somewhere. Very little sweets and absolutely nothing with alcohol due to my pancreas & liver. I'm on diurectics to help keep me from retaining fluids. But none of my medications cause that (Lamictal, Librax, Bentyl & Phenergan), but we use it as a precaution. Trust me, I've been working on losing weight. I've gone from an 18 to between 14 & 16. I can *almost* squeeze into my size 12 jeans but I wouldn't be able to breathe or move. :D So does your doctor suggest you just stay overweight? That's not very healthy. My knee-jerk opinion is that if a doctor is that unsupportive it's time for a new doctor. Is having a "Lazy Gut" the same thing being "Big Boned"? I don't know anything about your pancreas condition so I apologize for being a bit naive here, but what types of foods are resticted for you: is it protein? Is it fats? Quantity plays a bigger role than the type of food. Obviously, small amounts of some things = large amounts of other things. Once you figure out exactly what you can and can't eat you can figure out a diet. Also, be aware: medications often play tricks with the amount of fluids your body retains. Remember, some people have it harder than others, but being overweight IS a choice. AL I am no doctor and no one else here is either(that I am aware of) those are issues you need to speak to your dr about. As for you wanting to lose weight.. well.. eat less than you do now, move more than you do now, drink more water, less sugar, less fat, less carbs - portion control what you do eat. Read and post here everyday or when you can and educate yourself about your food intake and your body. That sounds really vague I know. But... it works. I'm living proof. Susan 260/210/160 --- 1month 3weeks 5days 9:34hours of being smoke-free, 2,258 cigs not smoked, $417.73 saved, 1wweek 20:10hours of my life saved > I'm trying to lose weight, but my GI and family doctor both say that I'll > have a hard time because of having a fatty liver & "lazy gut" where food [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Any ideas? Have you tried exercise? > I'm trying to lose weight, but my GI and family doctor both say that I'll > have a hard time because of having a fatty liver & "lazy gut" where food [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Any ideas? Uh yeah. Called stairs daily at work, and walking when I can (I work 10 hr days). I'm also post op right now, so I can't do a lot of much. Have you tried exercise? Your health is already compromised, so I'd suggest eating only healthy foods: healthy carbs, healthy proteins, and (limited) healthy fats. If possible, exercise. See http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/ > I'm trying to lose weight, but my GI and family doctor both say that I'll > have a hard time because of having a fatty liver & "lazy gut" where food [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Any ideas? Thanks Brad! I have to minimize my fat & protein intake so my carbs tend to rise. I don't eat sugary stuff anymore (not that I don't crave them though). I'll check out that site, thank you so much for it! Your health is already compromised, so I'd suggest eating only healthy foods: healthy carbs, healthy proteins, and (limited) healthy fats. If possible, exercise. See http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/ |
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