Weight Loss Forum / General Topics / March 2005
TOPS week two, and OA chatline
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Cubit - 02 Mar 2005 21:12 GMT OA: I discovered that Overeater's Anonymous does regular meeting sessions by telephone conference call. Monday morning I got to be a fly-on-the-wall during one of their meetings. (Use of a speakerphone helps.) The schedule, phone numbers, and access codes are listed publicly on their website. They had callers from Europe, as well as from the US.
TOPS: Yesterday, I attended my second TOPS meeting. I found the weigh-in process to be fun. Of course, it helped that I was down 3 pounds on their scale. My low carb eating was totally alien to most of them. As prizes for weightloss, they like to give fruit! Fortunately, they don't care how you lose, as long as it is "sensible."
Roger Zoul - 02 Mar 2005 21:22 GMT Why do you bother with these?
:: OA: :: I discovered that Overeater's Anonymous does regular meeting [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] :: As prizes for weightloss, they like to give fruit! Fortunately, :: they don't care how you lose, as long as it is "sensible." VirtualGuy - 10 Mar 2005 08:04 GMT >: OA: >: TOPS:
> Why do you bother with these? If he has found something that works for him, who are we to judge? Suport comes in many forms and cannot necessarily be achieved through a single source. When you find something that works, hold onto it for as long as you can. It may or may not be fleeting.
Cheers!
Alex
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Roger Zoul - 10 Mar 2005 10:48 GMT >>: OA: >>: TOPS: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > works, hold onto it for as long as you can. It may or may not > be fleeting. Well, he already has found something that works for him....it is not clear to me what this does for him.
Carol Frilegh - 10 Mar 2005 12:03 GMT > >: OA: > >: TOPS: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > works, hold onto it for as long as you can. It may or may not > be fleeting. Sharing our own impressions or experiences is not judging. TOPS and OA suck. ASD rules!
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Roger Zoul - 10 Mar 2005 13:54 GMT :: In article <Xns9615B00C1DACvirtualguyedm@24.70.95.211>, VirtualGuy :: <virtualguy@asd.newsgroup> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] :: Sharing our own impressions or experiences is not judging. TOPS and :: OA suck. ASD rules! I just want to know what he gets from it. I've never been to either TOPS or OA meetings. Cubit seems successful without those, to me. And given that they *seem* to promote some unnecessary eating, it *seems* potentially hurtful to me.
:: -- :: Diva :: ***** :: The Best Man For The Job Is A Woman Carol Frilegh - 10 Mar 2005 14:35 GMT > :: In article <Xns9615B00C1DACvirtualguyedm@24.70.95.211>, VirtualGuy > :: <virtualguy@asd.newsgroup> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > they *seem* to promote some unnecessary eating, it *seems* potentially > hurtful to me. Well, my upstairs neighbor never misses Benny Hin. I just saw an NBC documentary on how he spends contributions. I have a distrust of evangelical organizations in general even low cost ones like TOPS and OA. ( And it contradicts that I had a very successful ten years from 1969 to 1979 working for Weight Watchers where we stood up and gave testimonials)
Maybe this comes of liking to challenge myself with my own creative programs for getting back in the groove. The latest is setting out to lose just one pound before setting other goals. It seems so do-able. I don't have to commit to anything longer term than today and maybe tomorrow.
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VirtualGuy - 11 Mar 2005 12:15 GMT > I just want to know what he gets from it. I've never been > to either TOPS or OA meetings. Cubit seems successful > without those, to me. And given that they *seem* to > promote some unnecessary eating, it *seems* potentially > hurtful to me. I've been to both TOPS and oA over the years. Personally speaking, they were ports in a storm to, say the least. They are not for everyone. However, if one chooses to attend, then that's their perogative.
If I had to venture a guess, I would assume that Cubit is just exploring different options to assist in his continued efforts of weight loss and maintenance. If nothing else, just going to a place of pople with like minds and talking face to face can be of benefit.
Cheers!
Alex
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Carol Frilegh - 11 Mar 2005 14:22 GMT > > I just want to know what he gets from it. I've never been > > to either TOPS or OA meetings. Cubit seems successful [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Alex Alex IN MY OPINION, the greatest strength is when we know enough to be able to rely on ourselves. Gathering information from informed sources and research enables us to be creative and independent. Sharing experiences and information with others is also a natural thing as we are social creatures. It is more helpful to many it to subscribe to group mentality and entrust forming opinions to other authorities or "higher" authorities as in the case of OA. I would not criticize or deny others the right to do this or judge THEM.
I believe in moving ahead and trying new things. I try to learn something new or do something differnently every day. It keeps life exciting and increases my sense of being competent. This has worked wonders for me especially in the past five years. When something works, it makes sense to use it or do it.
Example. I have a backround as a writer. When there were no computers and I had to rely on a typewriter, I got so caught up in corrections that I lost my train of thought in piles of discarded attempts. The computer enables me to make changes and corrections quickly without losing ideas. I have many friends who are confounded by computers and are missing an entire world of information and communication by not having them. But they are content, so I just Google on and don't impose my way on them.
So for those who find the aforementioned groups a help and haven, that is what matters for them.
Meanwhile I assume when we are in a discussion on a specific topic, an opposing view is not precluded.
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VirtualGuy - 11 Mar 2005 12:11 GMT > Sharing our own impressions or experiences is not judging. > TOPS and OA suck. ASD rules! Carol:
With all due respect, you are judging. The definition from m- w.com, which I'm sure you're familiar with, is as follows:
Main Entry: judge 1 : to form an opinion about through careful weighing of evidence and testing of premises 5 : to form an estimate or evaluation of; especially : to form a negative opinion about <shouldn't judge him because of his accent> 6 : to hold as an opinion : GUESS, THINK <I judge she knew what she was doing>
If stating that TOPS and OA suck isn't judging, I don't know what is. Not to mention, if I didn't know you better, I would think that you're going to mention that your father can beat up my father. :)
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Alex
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Ignoramus2923 - 11 Mar 2005 13:42 GMT >> Sharing our own impressions or experiences is not judging. >> TOPS and OA suck. ASD rules! [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > With all due respect, you are judging. The definition from m- > w.com, which I'm sure you're familiar with, is as follows: I agree that she is judging.
That said, making judgments is a part of life and it is impossible to make decisions without making judgments.
When she said that OA sucked, that was obviously a judgment based on personal preferences, to which she has every right.
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Carol Frilegh - 11 Mar 2005 14:09 GMT > > Sharing our own impressions or experiences is not judging. > > TOPS and OA suck. ASD rules! [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > With all due respect, you are judging. The definition from m- > w.com, which I'm sure you're familiar with, is as follows: I specified that my opinion was personal and based on attending meetings of both groups, TOPS and OA. I specified that I like to think out of the box and devise my own creative approaches. When being subjective on a topic, I usually qualify same. Sometimes I post links when quoting from other sources, and as Jay jay has pointed out, sometimes not.
If I ever have the ability to inhabit someone else's body for a time, perhaps I can base my "personal" opinions on someone else's experience. I tend to not be a groupie unless joining something very aavant garde or trendy. Example: I got very excited about raw food but never planned it to be my entire diet.
My most positive lifetime group weight loss commercial organization experiences were with Weight Watchers 1968-1970. It was simply fantastic! Believe it or not I have run into three or four people from the classes and lecturing staff in those days and they have kept or gotten back to their old WW ideal weights.
Of course when I mention that old original WW program from the mid 1960's, with 5 fish and one liver meal a week, 1200 calories a day and low fat, it almost always gets dissed here. It was a damn good diet but commercial ventures need new selling points to attract not only new members but fallen angels back to the tent.
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Ignoramus2923 - 11 Mar 2005 14:31 GMT >> > Sharing our own impressions or experiences is not judging. >> > TOPS and OA suck. ASD rules! [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I specified that my opinion was personal and based on attending > meetings of both groups, TOPS and OA. The opinion that something "sucks" is always personal, you did not even need to qualify it.
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