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Greg - 03 Mar 2005 18:29 GMT
Can you drink to much water. I'm on a water kick and can drink up to 5
or 6 32 oz glass any input with be thankful
gin
Ignoramus2810 - 03 Mar 2005 18:47 GMT
> Can you drink to much water. I'm on a water kick and can drink up to 5
> or 6 32 oz glass any input with be thankful

It may not be the most dangerous thing to do, but yes, numerous people die
from drinking too much water. US military used to have a policy to
force its soldiers to drink water during exercise, which they changed
to letting them drink when thirsty.

http://chppm-www.apgea.army.mil/doem/pgm34/HIPP/HeatInjuryPreventionCard2004.pdf

``Too much water during exercise can kill''

http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/s904374.htm

Drinking when thirsty, until not thirsty, is the safest and sanest
course of action.

In any case, drinking water does not make people slim, eating less
makes people slim. Do not drink more than you feel like drinking.

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JennA - 03 Mar 2005 19:13 GMT
>> Can you drink to much water. I'm on a water kick and can drink up to 5
>> or 6 32 oz glass any input with be thankful
>
> It may not be the most dangerous thing to do, but yes, numerous people die
> from drinking too much water.

Define numerous & cite please.  Hyponatremia is rare.

Jenn
Black Metal Martha - 03 Mar 2005 19:29 GMT
> > Can you drink to much water. I'm on a water kick and can drink up to 5
> > or 6 32 oz glass any input with be thankful
>
> It may not be the most dangerous thing to do, but yes, numerous people die
> from drinking too much water.

Cite please. And numerous means many...several..more than just a
couple.  

Martha
JennA - 04 Mar 2005 02:17 GMT
>> > Can you drink to much water. I'm on a water kick and can drink up
> to 5
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Cite please. And numerous means many...several..more than just a
> couple.

Just another example of his ridiculous hyperbole (aka pulling info out of
his backside).  He won't have a cite.  We're still waiting for the cite from
the time he claimed "the average American also spends half a year of his/her
life in prison."  If he actually could back it up he'd have been queening
all over the place calling me a liar.

Oh, and BTW they don't die from drinking too much water but instead from
having hyponatremia - a low concentration of sodium in the blood.

Jenn
Carol Frilegh - 04 Mar 2005 11:08 GMT
> >> > Can you drink to much water. I'm on a water kick and can drink up
> > to 5
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> Oh, and BTW they don't die from drinking too much water but instead from
> having hyponatremia - a low concentration of sodium in the blood.

Personally, I dislike the way Jenn presumes  Ignoramus makes up things
and she looks for every opporunity to attack him. I wish  she would
simply address the issue in question instead of always pouncing on
Ignoramus.

up:http://www.ivillage.co.uk/health/hlive/eat/articles/0,,181168_588681,
00.html

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6929115/

http://www.faqfarm.com/Health/10300

http://ask.yahoo.com/ask/20010724.html

http://msgboard.snopes.com/message/ultimatebb.php?/ubb/get_topic/f/25/t/
001016/p/1.html

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Ignoramus17955 - 04 Mar 2005 12:01 GMT
>> >> > Can you drink to much water. I'm on a water kick and can drink up
>> > to 5
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> simply address the issue in question instead of always pouncing on
> Ignoramus.

I agree.

I do not respond to Jennifer Austin because I ignore her. But, surely,
she is lying again. She is very aware of the cites on hyponatremia
that I have or that are available (which are easy to find). For
example, when she was posting as bjenniferb@yahoo.com, she posted the
following message:

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.support.diet/msg/d400ba3e56203c27?dmode=
source


where she actually responded to my cites. And now, she is lying that I
do not have a cite, despite actually having responded to my cites before.

How pathetic.

> up:http://www.ivillage.co.uk/health/hlive/eat/articles/0,,181168_588681,
> 00.html
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> http://msgboard.snopes.com/message/ultimatebb.php?/ubb/get_topic/f/25/t/
> 001016/p/1.html

Good links. Some more:

http://www.gssiweb.com/reflib/refs/51/d0000000200000043.cfm
``
numerous reports exist in the medical literature of psychiatric
patients dying of complications of hyponatremia induced by compulsive
water drinking (read: drinking much more than thirst requires -- ig)

...

Hiller : In our studies, hyponatremia is very rare in races lasting
less than four hours in length, and becomes more frequently evident in
races longer than eight hours. This is exacerbated by high
temperatures and a high intensity of exercise. We found that 29% of
the athletes in the 1984 Ironman Triathlon were hyponatremic at the
end of the race. In the laboratory, we have produced hyponatremia in
6-8 hours. ''

http://arpa.allenpress.com/arpaonline/?request=get-document&doi=10.1043%2F1543-2
165(2005)129%3C227:SSOCMR%3E2.0.CO%3B2


``Conclusions.Our findings indicate a significant incidence of
hypernatremia with hyperosmolality and hyponatremia with
hypo-osmolality among collapsed runners despite the new fluid intake
recommendations, suggesting that either further educational measures
are required or that the new guidelines are not entirely adequate to
prevent abnormalities in fluid balance.

...

Between 1989 and 1999, there were 190 hospitalized cases of water
intoxication in the US Army alone, leading to a revision of the fluid
replacement guidelines in the military in 1999.(8) To protect runners
from the effects of overhydration, the International Marathon Medical
Directors Association (IMMDA), representing medical experts in the
field, and USA Track and Field, the national governing body for
long-distance running, also issued new fluid replacement guidelines in
2003. These recommendations advise runners to drink ad libitum between
400 and 800 mL/h, as opposed to the previous as much as possible
recommendation.1''

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JennA - 04 Mar 2005 12:21 GMT
>>> >> > Can you drink to much water. I'm on a water kick and can drink up
>>> > to 5
[quoted text clipped - 32 lines]
> example, when she was posting as bjenniferb@yahoo.com, she posted the
> following message:

> http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.support.diet/msg/d400ba3e56203c27?dmode=
source

Yep, that was the one that where I pointed out how you conveniently snipped
the original article.  I remember it well. So, 4 people in 10 years is
numerous?  Fabulous.  Somehow I suspect if anyone was trying to assert
something you disagreed with you'd rip them up for an overblown hyperbole
like that.

BTW, it only took you a month to blow my privacy on this account for me just
as I predicted you would because you again are showing the world that even
though you know all about usenet you just don't care what the rules or
conventions are making you more of a (insert nasty name of choice) than I
could ever point out.  I'm sure your pals won't be on your case about
violating my policy because it's certainly not as important as someone
disagreeing with you.  Thanks again for proving the world what you really
are.

Who had one month in the pool?

Jenn
still waiting for the cite on the average American also spends half a year
of his/her life in prison
JennA - 04 Mar 2005 12:13 GMT
>> >> > Can you drink to much water. I'm on a water kick and can drink up
>> > to 5
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
> http://msgboard.snopes.com/message/ultimatebb.php?/ubb/get_topic/f/25/t/
> 001016/p/1.html

Where does it say that "numerous" people die from drinking too much water?
Sure, there have been deaths from hyponatremia - which is a low
concentration of salt in the blood, but not "numerous."  I said nothing
inaccurate unlike your pal ig.  None of your references backs up his
statement.

He's had a history of expecting anal precision from anyone else who posts
information he doesn't agree with and *has* called me a "liar" because of a
simple error I made in citing something. So I asked for a cite and provided
a really false misstatement from the recent past to back up my assertion
that it's a pattern with him.  I am not just blindly making up lies about
him like he does me and others.  Get over it.  If you're trying to start
another battle, don't.  I'm not going to address it anymore especially since
that just opens the door for your friend to violate my privacy AGAIN.  Hmm,
gee, you never seem to tire of *that* now do you?

Jenn
JennA - 04 Mar 2005 12:23 GMT
>especially since that just opens the door for your friend to violate my
>privacy AGAIN.  Hmm, gee, you never seem to tire of *that* now do you?

Too late, he's gone and done it already.  Just as predicted.

Jenn
Carol Frilegh - 04 Mar 2005 13:19 GMT
> >especially since that just opens the door for your friend to violate my
> >privacy AGAIN.  Hmm, gee, you never seem to tire of *that* now do you?
>
> Too late, he's gone and done it already.  Just as predicted.

And so are you! I am so sick of your "Ig bashing" !!!

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JennA - 04 Mar 2005 13:51 GMT
>> >especially since that just opens the door for your friend to violate my
>> >privacy AGAIN.  Hmm, gee, you never seem to tire of *that* now do you?
>>
>> Too late, he's gone and done it already.  Just as predicted.
>
> And so are you! I am so sick of your "Ig bashing" !!!

Then ignore it the same way most people around here ignore your troll
baiting.

Jenn
Black Metal Martha - 04 Mar 2005 14:11 GMT
> > >especially since that just opens the door for your friend to violate my
> > >privacy AGAIN.  Hmm, gee, you never seem to tire of *that* now do you?
> >
> > Too late, he's gone and done it already.  Just as predicted.
>
> And so are you! I am so sick of your "Ig bashing" !!!

Know what, Carol? He is bashed because he makes idiotic statement which
he cannot back up, he calls people liars with no proof and he's not
even man enough to keep his prior posts readible. If you think that's
all ok, then I'm sorry for you.

Martha
Carol Frilegh - 04 Mar 2005 14:27 GMT
> > In article <TqYVd.906$603.525@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
> JennA
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> Martha

My suggestion would be to just deal with the issue and correct and
posted misinformation. I know I have also done my share of talking back
over the years  (MU and spammers) but we are all abundantly aware of
how Jenn feels about Ignormamus and it lessens the impact of what she
has to say when her main concern is flaming him.

Your sympathy is accepted in good spirit. However I have found a lot of
Ignoramus's posted info to be credible so it behooves us to find out
the difference for ourselves. Many people post misinformation and
drivel here as  after all it's a form of opinion and not always
authority.  

I guess years on ASD have zenned me out a bit. I am certainly more
supportive than in the past.

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Gregory Morrow - 04 Mar 2005 17:25 GMT
> My suggestion would be to just deal with the issue and correct and
> posted misinformation. I know I have also done my share of talking back
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> drivel here as  after all it's a form of opinion and not always
> authority.

Or maybe the real "problem" is that several of Ig's detractors are simply
control freaks who can't abide any disagreement whatsoever.  Thus their
silly condescending tone, more suited to a gaggle of back - stabbing
schoolgirls than to adults...

It's a sure bet that folks who engage in such petty tyrannies don't have
much of a life going on.  It's *only* a Usenet group, after all :-)

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JennA - 04 Mar 2005 14:42 GMT
>> In article <TqYVd.906$603.525@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
> JennA
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> even man enough to keep his prior posts readible. If you think that's
> all ok, then I'm sorry for you.

Maybe if he used his own dictionary site to look up the word numerous
instead of just using it for netsex with his bot he wouldn't make these
kinds of errors.

And of course the fact that he's now used my posting history (hypocrite) to
tie my old posting identity to the new one I specifically created in the
express interest of privacy just shows how much of a hypocrite he and she
both are.  There is *NO* excuse he has this time to justify it as my email,
posting name or even IP give no indication of my actual name.  But I guess
it's ok for him to be an a.shole, just not ok for any of us common folk to
disagree with him.

BTW, I've already been harassed and threatened via email by one of his
whackjob groupies though it still doesn't outnumber the email positive
feedback from others who prefer to remain in the shadows around here.

Jenn
Gregory Morrow - 04 Mar 2005 17:16 GMT
> And of course the fact that he's now used my posting history (hypocrite) to
> tie my old posting identity to the new one I specifically created in the
> express interest of privacy just shows how much of a hypocrite he and she
> both are.

What are you afraid of?

[As far as calling a poster a "hypocrite" for referring to another's posting
history, you'd better direct your complaints to Google.  They are the outfit
that archives posts.  Or you can always choose the "x: yes: no archive"
option to cover your "tracks".]

There is *NO* excuse he has this time to justify it as my email,
> posting name or even IP give no indication of my actual name.  But I guess
> it's ok for him to be an a.shole, just not ok for any of us common folk to
> disagree with him.

Why don't you just ignore him?

It's comical to see some of you constantly yammering on about him.

Remember that old PR adage: "There is no such thing as 'bad' publicity." :-)

> BTW, I've already been harassed and threatened via email by one of his
> whackjob groupies though it still doesn't outnumber the email positive
> feedback from others who prefer to remain in the shadows around here.

Usenet is not always necessarily a popularity contest.

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JennA - 03 Mar 2005 19:22 GMT
> Can you drink to much water. I'm on a water kick and can drink up to 5 or
> 6 32 oz glass any input with be thankful
> gin

Of course you can drink too much water but it's unlikely unless you have
some kind of psychiatric disease (psychogenic polydipsia) or you're an
endurance athelete taking in too much water without any sodium or
electrolytes.

Here's a nice little summary:
http://chemistry.about.com/cs/5/f/blwaterintox.htm

and from that my point:
"It's Not How Much You Drink, It's How Fast You Drink It! The kidneys of a
healthy adult can process fifteen liters of water a day! You are unlikely to
suffer from water intoxication, even if you drink a lot of water, as long as
you drink over time as opposed to intaking an enormous volume at one time.
As a general guideline, most adults need about three quarts of fluid each
day. Much of that water comes from food, so 8-12 eight ounce glasses a day
is a common recommended intake. You may need more water if the weather is
very warm or very dry, if you are exercising, or if you are taking certain
medications. The bottom line is this: it's possible to drink too much water,
but unless you are running a marathon or an infant, water intoxication is a
very uncommon condition. "

Jenn
Doug Freyburger - 03 Mar 2005 21:05 GMT
> Can you drink to much water.

Yes.

> I'm on a water kick and can drink up to 5
> or 6 32 oz glass any input with be thankful

Water toxicity starts at over 14 liters per day.
So you're between one-third and one-half of the
way there.  Just in case, don't double your
amount.
Rachael - 04 Mar 2005 02:56 GMT
WOW

I drank 3 liters yesterday. Whats what i drink per day as when dieting it
flushes toxins and some binding fats out of yo makint it easier to lose
weight. I hope i dont drown by drinking or ever for that matter. its
terrible to know people can drown from drinking.. Well DIE i mean when i say
drown :-(  Ignoramus knows all :-)

>> Can you drink to much water.
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> way there.  Just in case, don't double your
> amount.
Ignoramus2810 - 04 Mar 2005 03:19 GMT
> WOW
>
> I drank 3 liters yesterday. Whats what i drink per day as when dieting it
> flushes toxins and some binding fats out of yo makint it easier to lose
> weight.

What are those binding fats?

i
Doug Freyburger - 04 Mar 2005 15:11 GMT
> Doug Freyburger wrote>
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> I drank 3 liters yesterday.

Great.  So you're at one-fifth of the amount it takes
to start problems.  Too much of a good thing can be
bad, but you are nowhere near too much.  Just in case,
don't drink 4 times as much as you currently do.

> Whats what i drink per day as when dieting it
> flushes toxins and some binding fats out of yo makint it easier to lose
> weight.

Right.  Until you drink ridiculously large amounts
water is beneficial.  I doubt I could even manage
to down fourteen liters of water in a day no matter
how hard I tried.  I have 2-3 liters most of the
time plus flavored drinks like coffee or tea or diet
soda.  My average for total liquids is 4-5 liters,
a third what could cause problems.  No way could I
triple what I currently drink.
JayJay - 04 Mar 2005 03:26 GMT
> Can you drink to much water. I'm on a water kick and can drink up to 5
> or 6 32 oz glass any input with be thankful
> gin

In short - yes, it is possible to die from drinking too much water.  BUT!!!

The amount of water it takes to cause such a problem is no where near close
to what you drink.   Its a large, large amount of water.   And 2nd, unless
you are a real fitness athlete and spend hours a day exercising and only
using water as your only source of hydration, its highly doubtful that
anything will happen to you.

Personally - I drink about as much water as you do - sometimes more.  My
hydration pack I take when biking in the summer (or hiking or whaterver)
holds a gallon of water.

Don't worry about your 5 to 6 liters a day.  Its a good thing - you will
probably find your skin will look and feel better too.
Succorso - 04 Mar 2005 09:33 GMT
> Personally - I drink about as much water as you do - sometimes more.  My
> hydration pack I take when biking in the summer (or hiking or whaterver)
> holds a gallon of water.

I have found that I need to take some supplementary salt/electrolyte if
I'm out cycling all day in hot weather. All that sweating leeches out
the salts (my cycling shirts often show a white tide mark - crystalised
salt) and continued input of water (like you say, over a gallon on warm
days) can cause dilution.

A couple of times last summer, cycling in temperatures of >30c all day,
the days following I had all those feelings you get following a stomach
bug; washed out, metallic taste in the mouth, headaches etc. It's this
salt dilution that can lead to sudden death, not just drinking a lot.

Also, salted nuts and bananas help when out riding in those conditions.

--
Chris
JayJay - 04 Mar 2005 13:52 GMT
>> Personally - I drink about as much water as you do - sometimes more.  My
>> hydration pack I take when biking in the summer (or hiking or whaterver)
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> Also, salted nuts and bananas help when out riding in those conditions.

If I'm out all day in the summer either biking or hiking or whaterver and
I've got my gallon hydration pack - I also have food snacks as well -
usually in the form of trail mix (high salt content, plus the fats and
sugars needed for energy).

Likewise, on long rides I'll even use some watered down powerade/gatorade.
I never drink that stuff without watering it down though.   The average
person doesn't need that much for recovery and why waste the calories.
JennA - 04 Mar 2005 13:56 GMT
>>> Personally - I drink about as much water as you do - sometimes more.  My
>>> hydration pack I take when biking in the summer (or hiking or whaterver)
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> I never drink that stuff without watering it down though.   The average
> person doesn't need that much for recovery and why waste the calories.

Plus that stuff is pretty nasty tasting full strength.

Jenn
Renegade5 - 05 Mar 2005 14:52 GMT
>> Can you drink to much water. I'm on a water kick and can drink up to 5
>> or 6 32 oz glass any input with be thankful
>> gin
>
>In short - yes, it is possible to die from drinking too much water.  BUT!!!

And then there's the 'water to air ratio'.   If that gets too high,
you would die.  It's called 'drowning'   :-)

From CNN Health:
"Though uncommon, it's possible to drink too much water. Drinking
excessive amounts can overwhelm your kidneys' ability to get rid of
the water. This can lead to hyponatremia, a condition in which excess
water intake dilutes the normal amount of sodium in the blood. People
who are older, who have certain medical conditions such as congestive
heart failure and cirrhosis, or who are taking certain diuretics are
at higher risk of hyponatremia.

Drinking too much water is rare in healthy adults who consume an
average American diet. Check with your doctor or a registered
dietitian if you're concerned about drinking too much or too little
water. He or she can help you determine the amount that's best for
you."

Complete (well written) article:
http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/library/NU/00283.html
 
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