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Weight Loss Forum / General Topics / March 2005Excercise without eating
I tried the cardio without eating in the morning and it does help make a difference. I was wondering though about weight training. I do an alternating strength day with cardio, so should I eat on the lifting days?  SignatureJoker 226/222/195 You have to be very careful when you do a Google search for "vacuum enthusiast" >I tried the cardio without eating in the morning and it does help make a >difference. I was wondering though about weight training. I do an >alternating strength day with cardio, so should I eat on the lifting days? Why would you not eat? Your body is going to store fat instead of losing . Eat every day. JW> "Joker" <post_master@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message JW> news:Jf5Xd.1852$WK2.1005@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com... >>I tried the cardio without eating in the morning and it does help make >>a difference. I was wondering though about weight training. I do an >>alternating strength day with cardio, so should I eat on the lifting >>days? JW> Why would you not eat? Your body is going to store fat instead of JW> losing . JW> Eat every day. JW> ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet JW> News==---- JW> http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! JW> 120,000+ Newsgroups JW> ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via JW> Encryption =---- Sorry for the confusion. What I meant was that I eat breakfast after I work out. I have seen it pointed out in a few places that doing cardio before you eat helps burn more fat. I am trying to determine if the same is true of lifting weights. SignatureJoker 226/222/195 You have to be very careful when you do a Google search for "vacuum enthusiast" There is some phenomenon I read that if you delay eating 30-60 mins after cardio your fat burn will be higher. The cardio sucks all the glucose out of your blood so to replenish it it has to go to the fat stores. But if you immediately eat after cardio, it will replenish the blood glucose from the food. On the other hand bodybuilders, who have low body fat, like to eat simple carbs after a work-out to replenish their blood glucose so the body doesn't start breaking down muscle to get glucose. These ideas are out of a bodybuilding book I have. > There is some phenomenon I read that if you delay eating 30-60 mins after > cardio your fat burn will be higher. The cardio sucks all the glucose out of [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > These ideas are out of a bodybuilding book I have. While this may be true, it is irrelevant. The bottom line is at the end of the day how many calories in and how many calories out. Deplete glycogen, burn fat to replace, eat fat and it is stored to replace fat lost. Burn fat in place of glycogen, and when you eat carbs, they will go to fat replacement. For weight lifting, there is evidence that carbs & protein before and after can make a difference in muscle built; HOW MUCH a difference, I doubt it is relevant to all but the most anal and dedicated bodybuilder or weight lifter. Life is too short to sweat the small stuff (unless you enjoy that sort of thing--I do in many cases, gives me the allusion of control ;-). If cause you to worry, then it is not worth it IMHO. -- Dr. Dickie Skepticult member in good standing #394-00596-438 Poking kooks with a pointy stick >While this may be true, it is irrelevant. The bottom line is at the end of the day how many calories in and how many calories out. Oh I completely agree. I didn't 'get' this until a few years ago. I used to eat tons of healthy food like wholegrain bread and cereals. Good food but I was eating too much to lower my body fat. > >While this may be true, it is irrelevant. The bottom line is at the end of > the day how many calories in and how many calories out. > > Oh I completely agree. I didn't 'get' this until a few years ago. I used to > eat tons of healthy food like wholegrain bread and cereals. Good food but I > was eating too much to lower my body fat. You hit the nail on the head as to why the "fat is bad" craze failed. "I can't be gaining weight, this is low fat!!!" Problem was, the food industry exchanged sugar for fat, and in some cases the calories went up! Now having said that, the added (usually omega 6) fats into most processed food really was bad in the quantities that folks were getting them, but for weight loss, nothing beats a real education (and in nutrition, that is HARD). There is a lot of myths and a whole lot of pseudo-science involved in the nutrition--and especially weight loss--business. And things that are hard, just do not compute with the great masses. It has to be single syllable simple for most to even attempt it, and so it goes ;-( SignatureDr. Dickie Skepticult member in good standing #394-00596-438 Poking kooks with a pointy stick DD> "BCJ" <bjoh2004@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message DD> news:SO7Xd.188040$K7.60183@news-server.bigpond.net.au... >> There is some phenomenon I read that if you delay eating 30-60 mins >> after >> cardio your fat burn will be higher. The cardio sucks all the glucose >> out DD> of >> your blood so to replenish it it has to go to the fat stores. But if >> you >> immediately eat after cardio, it will replenish the blood glucose from >> the >> food. >> On the other hand bodybuilders, who have low body fat, like to eat >> simple >> carbs after a work-out to replenish their blood glucose so the body DD> doesn't >> start breaking down muscle to get glucose. >> These ideas are out of a bodybuilding book I have. DD> While this may be true, it is irrelevant. The bottom line is at the DD> end of DD> the day how many calories in and how many calories out. Deplete DD> glycogen, DD> burn fat to replace, eat fat and it is stored to replace fat lost. DD> Burn fat DD> in place of glycogen, and when you eat carbs, they will go to fat DD> replacement. DD> For weight lifting, there is evidence that carbs & protein before DD> and after DD> can make a difference in muscle built; HOW MUCH a difference, I DD> doubt it is DD> relevant to all but the most anal and dedicated bodybuilder or DD> weight DD> lifter. Life is too short to sweat the small stuff (unless you DD> enjoy that DD> sort of thing--I do in many cases, gives me the allusion of control DD> ;-). If DD> cause you to worry, then it is not worth it IMHO. DD> -- DD> Dr. Dickie DD> Skepticult member in good standing #394-00596-438 DD> Poking kooks with a pointy stick I think there has been some evidence as to when you eat in relationship to when you work out you get a higher caloric burn. In the case of cardio before breakfast, you have been fasting for 8-12 hours, so you are burning the most readily available calories, your fat stores. I think some of the muscle is burned too, but that is why I lift weights three times a week. SignatureJoker 226/222/195 You have to be very careful when you do a Google search for "vacuum enthusiast" >I tried the cardio without eating in the morning and it does help make a >difference. I was wondering though about weight training. I do an >alternating strength day with cardio, so should I eat on the lifting days? For better feedback I suggest you clarify the schedule. Do you mean that you do cardio before breakfast and then don't eat until lunch? Or are you talking about only eating every other day? -- Mike MT> "Joker" <post_master@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message MT> news:Jf5Xd.1852$WK2.1005@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com... >>I tried the cardio without eating in the morning and it does help make >>a difference. I was wondering though about weight training. I do an >>alternating strength day with cardio, so should I eat on the lifting >>days? MT> For better feedback I suggest you clarify the schedule. Do you mean MT> that you MT> do cardio before breakfast and then don't eat until lunch? Or are MT> you MT> talking about only eating every other day? -- Mike Sorry for the confusion. What I meant was that I eat breakfast after I work out. I have seen it pointed out in a few places that doing cardio before you eat helps burn more fat. I am trying to determine if the same is true of lifting weights. SignatureJoker 226/222/195 You have to be very careful when you do a Google search for "vacuum enthusiast" My own opinion is that this is a valid question, but the difference that eating before/after workout would make is rather minimal. How much is eaten during the day and just what are the exercises, is much more important. Personally, I do not bother timing eating with exercise. Signature223/173.2/180 I> My own opinion is that this is a valid question, but the difference I> that eating before/after workout would make is rather minimal. How I> much is eaten during the day and just what are the exercises, is much I> more important. Personally, I do not bother timing eating with I> exercise. I> -- I> 223/173.2/180 I would have thought the same thing, but I got results quickly. It may just be the change shook up my work out enough to make it "new" again, but I lost almost an inch between 1-2 weeks. (I don't measure all that often, so I don't know exactly when it happened. SignatureJoker 226/222/195 You have to be very careful when you do a Google search for "vacuum enthusiast" >Sorry for the confusion. What I meant was that I eat breakfast after I work >out. I have seen it pointed out in a few places that doing cardio before >you eat helps burn more fat. I am trying to determine if the same is true >of lifting weights. I don't know. If so, I'm sure the difference would be minimal. But the advantage to weightlifting from the calorie-burning perspective is primarily the metabolic increase that results from added muscle, rather than the calories burned during lifting. So I'd go with whatever best supports your performance when you lift. For me, I lift better when I've had something to eat first. I question the premise about doing cardio on an empty stomach, by the way. But I don't have any definitive information one way or the other. For cardio too, I just do what works best for me, which is to eat something modest-sized and carby an hour or two beforehand. Chris 262/130s/130s started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004 |
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