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Ignoramus2605 - 08 Mar 2005 16:40 GMT I happen to like chocolate. Lately, I have been eating unsweetened chocolate (from the baking secion of the store, 2 net carbs per ounce, no sugal alcohols etc), it does not seem to be doing any obvious harm. Usually, 1 oz a day is what I eat, if I eat it at all. Since it is concentrated, chocolate wise it may be equivalent to several ounces of diluted "milk" chocolate. My question is, am I somehow "setting myself up for failure", is there some good reason not to eat that chocolate? One of the reasons why I eat it is that I do not get enough sleep (due to having a certain project) and it keeps me up. Any thoughts?
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sej29@cornell.edu - 08 Mar 2005 16:59 GMT > I happen to like chocolate. Lately, I have been eating unsweetened > chocolate (from the baking secion of the store, 2 net carbs per ounce, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > -- > 223/173.2/180
>From what I've heard, very dark chocolate, and, in your case, unsweetened chocolate, actually has health benefits because of its antioxidants. (Even milk chocolate does, but we all know how much more "fattening" it is, so you can't eat as much at one time). I don't know anything about low-carbing but I don't see how 2 net carbs could hurt you-- I'm sure you add them into your daily count. It's really the extra sugar that's detrimental, which your chocolate doesn't have.
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Bob M - 08 Mar 2005 17:05 GMT >> I happen to like chocolate. Lately, I have been eating unsweetened >> chocolate (from the baking secion of the store, 2 net carbs per [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Sara I think it's way higher than 2 net carbs. According to the Scharffen Berger website, 40g of 99% chocolate has about 14g of carbs with less than 1g of fiber. So, we're talking about 20g of carbs, which may or may not be bad depending on (1) the cravings induced by chocolate, if any, and (2) the stage of the low carb diet.
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Ignoramus2605 - 08 Mar 2005 17:16 GMT >>> I happen to like chocolate. Lately, I have been eating unsweetened >>> chocolate (from the baking secion of the store, 2 net carbs per [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > I think it's way higher than 2 net carbs. According to the > Scharffen Berger website, 40g of 99% chocolate has about 14g of I am highly doubtful that that 99% chocolate is really 99% chocolate. Sounds like those "7 peak HP" electric motors on compressors which are rated for 12 amps (and hence for about 2 HP at most).
> carbs with less than 1g of fiber. So, we're talking about 20g of > carbs, which may or may not be bad depending on (1) the cravings > induced by chocolate, if any, and (2) the stage of the low carb > diet. Check out
http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts-001-02s045q.html
132 grams of unsweetened chocolate (which is way too much), would contain 39 grams of carbs, out of which 22 grams are "fiber" (somewhat puzzling, just what is that "fiber"). So, 132 grams of it contains 17 net carbs, and one ounce would contain 3.6 net carbs.
3.6 net carbs is not that much, assuming that the "fiber" calculation is correct.
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Mogget - 08 Mar 2005 17:47 GMT >I am highly doubtful that that 99% chocolate is really 99% chocolate. I have tasted it. It was about the bitterest thing I have ever tasted. Absolutely vile. It was basically cocoa powder pressed into a block. If anybody could actually eat that stuff for anything approaching pleasure, I would be astonished.
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greg - 08 Mar 2005 17:52 GMT >> I am highly doubtful that that 99% chocolate is really 99% chocolate. > > I have tasted it. It was about the bitterest thing I have ever tasted. > Absolutely vile. It was basically cocoa powder pressed into a block. If > anybody could actually eat that stuff for anything approaching pleasure, > I would be astonished. The 85% chocolate bars are good and it doesn't take a lot to feel satisfied.
Ignoramus2605 - 08 Mar 2005 17:58 GMT >>I am highly doubtful that that 99% chocolate is really 99% chocolate. > > I have tasted it. It was about the bitterest thing I have ever tasted. > Absolutely vile. It was basically cocoa powder pressed into a block. > If anybody could actually eat that stuff for anything approaching > pleasure, I would be astonished. I eat similar chocolate several times a week and like it a lot.
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Opinicus - 08 Mar 2005 18:04 GMT [Talking about unsweetened baker's chocolate]
> If anybody could actually eat that stuff for anything > approaching pleasure, I would be astonished. Us chocolate freaks do it all the time...
(It's what's called "an acquired taste".)
I discovered the stuff as a kid. Whenever my mother muttered "But I'm *sure* I bought baker's chocolate..." I would put on my very best halo of innocence. It never occurred to her that I was pilfering squares of it. The thought of eating unsweetened chocolate is inconceivable to a non-chocolate freaks. Yet at one time there was a civilization that thrived on the stuff.
Note: A little goes a LONG way.
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Crafting Mom - 08 Mar 2005 18:10 GMT > Note: A little goes a LONG way. An ounce of the stuff gives me the amount of pure chocolate that I'd need to eat over a dozen hershey bars to obtain, I am sure.
WakeUp2005@adelphia.net - 09 Mar 2005 03:38 GMT >The thought of eating >unsweetened chocolate is inconceivable to a non-chocolate >freaks. Yet at one time there was a civilization that >thrived on the stuff. Yes, and that civilization (the Aztec and, it now appears, Maya) also thrived on the eating of hearts ripped from the chests of human beings.
Cubit - 09 Mar 2005 12:43 GMT Organ meats are supposed to have lots of vitamins.
> >The thought of eating > >unsweetened chocolate is inconceivable to a non-chocolate [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > thrived on the eating of hearts ripped from the chests of human > beings. rosie read n' post - 09 Mar 2005 15:09 GMT : I have tasted it. It was about the bitterest thing I have ever tasted. : Absolutely vile. It was basically cocoa powder pressed into a block. : If anybody could actually eat that stuff for anything approaching mixed with melted butter, whole cream, and splenda? YUM!
Bob M - 09 Mar 2005 15:24 GMT > : I have tasted it. It was about the bitterest thing I have ever > tasted. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > mixed with melted butter, whole cream, and splenda? > YUM! The one and only time I tried to make that, it separated. There must be a trick to it.
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Black Metal Martha - 09 Mar 2005 16:17 GMT > > : I have tasted it. It was about the bitterest thing I have ever > > tasted. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > -- Chocolate seizes up if it's not prepared at the right temperature. I don't have my chocolate book at work, but if you like, I can get some more concrete info for you.
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Bob M - 09 Mar 2005 16:31 GMT >> > : I have tasted it. It was about the bitterest thing I have ever >> > tasted. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Martha Do you prepare this? When I made it (a long while ago), I melted the chocolate in a double boiler, then took the chocolate off the boiler and added the ingredients, then spread the ingredients on foil and put in the fridge. This didn't work. Perhaps I should've waited for the chocolate to cool?
As for looking this up, that's ok -- I try to avoid eating chocolate, as I tend to eat too much. If I want chocolate, I'll go to the mall and buy a few pieces of good chocolate there.
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None Given - 09 Mar 2005 16:51 GMT > Do you prepare this? When I made it (a long while ago), I melted the > chocolate in a double boiler, then took the chocolate off the boiler and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > tend to eat too much. If I want chocolate, I'll go to the mall and buy a > few pieces of good chocolate there. I need to find out about this, too. My husband likes chocolate almond bars so I need to make some that is low carb and won't come apart all over his hands.
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Crafting Mom - 09 Mar 2005 17:43 GMT > I need to find out about this, too. My husband likes chocolate almond bars > so I need to make some that is low carb and won't come apart all over his > hands. I've never seen homemade chocolate that doesn't melt in your hands. I've seen people add a light coating of wax to prevent it. But pure chocolate with real ingredients - melts IME
None Given - 09 Mar 2005 20:02 GMT > > I need to find out about this, too. My husband likes chocolate almond bars > > so I need to make some that is low carb and won't come apart all over his [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I've seen people add a light coating of wax to prevent it. > But pure chocolate with real ingredients - melts IME I just want it not to make a mess, it needs to be more like a candy bar or a piece of fudge than pudding so he can eat it with his hands instead of a spoon.
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Bob M - 09 Mar 2005 20:14 GMT >> > I need to find out about this, too. My husband likes chocolate almond > bars [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > piece of fudge > than pudding so he can eat it with his hands instead of a spoon. Mine got hard, but the fat separated (which was hard in the fridge/freezer).
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Black Metal Martha - 09 Mar 2005 21:09 GMT > > I need to find out about this, too. My husband likes chocolate almond bars > > so I need to make some that is low carb and won't come apart all over his [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I've seen people add a light coating of wax to prevent it. > But pure chocolate with real ingredients - melts IME Parrifin wax is disgusting as well. The decent chocolatiers would never use it.
Chocolate does melt, but if you freeze it, it won't melt quite as fast.
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Black Metal Martha - 09 Mar 2005 17:17 GMT > >> > : I have tasted it. It was about the bitterest thing I have ever > >> > tasted. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Do you prepare this? When I made it (a long while ago), I melted the
> chocolate in a double boiler, then took the chocolate off the boiler and > added the ingredients, then spread the ingredients on foil and put in the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > -- > Bob in CT I try to avoid chocolate for as long as a can, but after a while, I do need some. I try to make it good chocolate though.
I also have cooked a lot with chocolate. I'm an amateur chef. ;) My truffles and chocolate baked goods rock! If you give me until tonight, I'll dig up some good info for you.
Martha
Bob M - 09 Mar 2005 17:26 GMT >> On 9 Mar 2005 08:17:42 -0800, Black Metal Martha > <bastmag666@yahoo.com> [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > > Martha Sounds fine to me. Maybe this year, after a long bike ride, I could have some chocolate (I'll have to make it and freeze it, then bring it out slowly).
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Roger Zoul - 09 Mar 2005 17:43 GMT :: On 9 Mar 2005 09:17:58 -0800, Black Metal Martha :: <bastmag666@yahoo.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] :: have some chocolate (I'll have to make it and freeze it, then bring :: it out slowly). A local club here had a ride either in Jan or Feb. At the end, they had a chocolate feast. I think pam_in_sc did that ride and took flourless chocolate cake. I couldn't go, but she brought me a piece. Good.
Bob M - 09 Mar 2005 17:39 GMT [cut]
> ::: I try to avoid chocolate for as long as a can, but after a while, I > ::: do need some. I try to make it good chocolate though. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > I think pam_in_sc did that ride and took flourless chocolate cake. I > couldn't go, but she brought me a piece. Good. I made flourless chocolate cake once, for Christmas two years ago. It's like cheesecake with no "cheese." That stuff was dense!
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Roger Zoul - 09 Mar 2005 17:54 GMT :: [cut] :::::: [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] :: I made flourless chocolate cake once, for Christmas two years ago. :: It's like cheesecake with no "cheese." That stuff was dense! No kidding. It doesn't take much.
Opinicus - 09 Mar 2005 18:31 GMT > I made flourless chocolate cake once, for Christmas two > years ago. It's like cheesecake with no "cheese." Combining two things I love:
http://www.lowcarbluxury.com/recipes/recipe-cheesecake02.html
Chocolate and cheese... Mmmm.
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Ruzinthra the Ruki - 10 Mar 2005 05:29 GMT >I have tasted it. It was about the bitterest thing I have ever tasted. >Absolutely vile. It was basically cocoa powder pressed into a block. >If anybody could actually eat that stuff for anything approaching >pleasure, I would be astonished. now i've never researched this myself, but i've read articles in reputable sources that say that eating chocolate produces an enzyme (or something) in a woman's brain that's also produced when she has sex. does it have to be sweetened chocolate? that's what i want to know. what for? general purposes, i suppose.
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Ignoramus2605 - 08 Mar 2005 17:07 GMT >> I happen to like chocolate. Lately, I have been eating unsweetened >> chocolate (from the baking secion of the store, 2 net carbs per [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Sara Thanks Sara. I am not sure if the antioxidants really help with anything measurable, but you are right, they are there in the chocolate.
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Roger Zoul - 08 Mar 2005 17:21 GMT :: On 8 Mar 2005 08:59:11 -0800, sej29@cornell.edu <sej29@cornell.edu> :: wrote: [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] :: anything measurable, but you are right, they are there in the :: chocolate. Two things enter my mind:
1) stable weight 2) increase appetite.
If you don't have a problem in either area, carry on. If/when you do, quit enjoying yourself so much :)
Matthew - 08 Mar 2005 17:04 GMT > I happen to like chocolate. Lately, I have been eating unsweetened > chocolate (from the baking secion of the store, 2 net carbs per ounce, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > sleep (due to having a certain project) and it keeps me up. Any > thoughts? If you're not prone to binge on chocolate I don't see any problem in eating it. But I don't think chocolate is an adequate substitute for sleep. -- Matthew 185/177/160 To reply by e-mail, heat things up a bit.
Ignoramus2605 - 08 Mar 2005 17:06 GMT >> I happen to like chocolate. Lately, I have been eating unsweetened >> chocolate (from the baking secion of the store, 2 net carbs per ounce, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > If you're not prone to binge on chocolate I don't see any problem in eating > it. But I don't think chocolate is an adequate substitute for sleep. Thanks. I agree on the sleep issue.
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Priscilla Ballou - 08 Mar 2005 17:30 GMT > I happen to like chocolate. Lately, I have been eating unsweetened > chocolate (from the baking secion of the store, 2 net carbs per ounce, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > sleep (due to having a certain project) and it keeps me up. Any > thoughts? Below is the fitday.com breakdown for one ounce of unsweetened chocolate. Looks like you're getting about four net grams of carb per ounce, with a good amount of fiber. Plus chocolate has some chemicals in it that are really good for you. (Specifics archived from brain.) As long as you're not on induction and need to be spending those 4 grams on vegies, I don't see a problem. Personally, I usually eat some dark chocolate daily -- a few squares. The darker the chocolate the less sugar in it and the higher the concentration of the good stuff.
Priscilla
Nutrition Facts ? Amount Per 1 square (1 oz) Calories?147.99 Calories from Fat 141.1 ? % Daily Value * ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Total Fat 15.68g 24% ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ??? Saturated Fat 9.24g 46% ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ??? Polyunsaturated Fat 0.499g ? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ??? Monounsaturated Fat 5.23g ? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Cholesterol 0mg 0% ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sodium 3.97mg 0% ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Potassium 236.16mg 7% ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Total Carbohydrate 8.02g 3% ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ??? Dietary Fiber 4.37g 17% ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Protein 2.92g 6% ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Bob M - 08 Mar 2005 17:30 GMT >> I happen to like chocolate. Lately, I have been eating unsweetened >> chocolate (from the baking secion of the store, 2 net carbs per ounce, [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > Protein 2.92g 6% > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ But see:
http://www.scharffenberger.com/nutri_info4.php
The values there are much different than the values quoted above.
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jmk - 08 Mar 2005 18:05 GMT >>> I happen to like chocolate. Lately, I have been eating unsweetened >>> chocolate (from the baking secion of the store, 2 net carbs per ounce, [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > > The values there are much different than the values quoted above. Oh please! Oh and I know that Scharffen Berger is the way to go -- and while I like a good deal as much as the next gal -- I think that we all know that Ig is just too cheap to go this way. In the past he has indicated that he is getting the Baker's unsweeted baking chocolate from the baking aisle in the grocery store.
P.S. I prefer the 1 oz Scharffen Berger 70% mini bars which I get at Whole Foods ;-) (http://www.scharffenberger.com/nutri_info2.php?osCsid=6fdf7a434d6f523a29dcd89662 4e8115)
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Black Metal Martha - 08 Mar 2005 18:38 GMT > >>> I happen to like chocolate. Lately, I have been eating unsweetened > >>> chocolate (from the baking secion of the store, 2 net carbs per ounce, [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > >> > >> % Daily Value * ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> Total Fat 15.68g 24% ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> Saturated Fat 9.24g 46% ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> Polyunsaturated Fat 0.499g ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> Monounsaturated Fat 5.23g ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> Cholesterol 0mg 0% ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> Sodium 3.97mg 0% ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> Potassium 236.16mg 7% ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> Total Carbohydrate 8.02g 3% ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> Dietary Fiber 4.37g 17% ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> Protein 2.92g 6% ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > But see: > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > P.S. I prefer the 1 oz Scharffen Berger 70% mini bars which I get at
> Whole Foods ;-) (http://www.scharffenberger.com/nutri_info2.php?osCsid=6fdf7a434d6f523a29dcd89662 4e8115)
> -- Yes, Scharffenberger is made here!!! If you happen to ever visit the Bay Area, their factory tour is cool.
And yes, you-know-who is too cheap for anything decent tasting, we know that. :)
Baker's chocolate. BLECH!!!!!!!!!!
Martha knows the good stuff from the crap
Priscilla Ballou - 08 Mar 2005 20:33 GMT > But see: > > http://www.scharffenberger.com/nutri_info4.php > > The values there are much different than the values quoted above. Yes, they do appear to be. They're also for 1.4 oz, not 1 oz.
I just pulled a package of Baker's unsweetened off my pantry shelf. That says it has 4 grams carb gross less 2 grams fiber = 2 grams carb per 1/2 square. 1 square = 1 ounce, so that's 4 grams net carb per ounce and fits with the fitday figures I quoted upthread.
Sharffenberger may be putting something else into their unsweetened chocolate, or their formula may be different. There are a wide variety of chocolate varieties, and different chocolate specialty houses (like Sharffenberger) will select specific varieties to use in their chocolate. Possibly the chocolate they use is higher in carb than the variety(ies) used in the Baker's product. I learned a lot about chocolates the other day at chocosphere.com (while I was placing an order!).
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Ignoramus2605 - 08 Mar 2005 17:36 GMT >> I happen to like chocolate. Lately, I have been eating unsweetened >> chocolate (from the baking secion of the store, 2 net carbs per ounce, [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > chocolate daily -- a few squares. The darker the chocolate the less > sugar in it and the higher the concentration of the good stuff. Thank you Priscilla. I will double check the label tonight, to see if perhaps the 2 grams of carbs are for the 15 gram half ot the square.
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> Priscilla > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Dietary Fiber 4.37g 17% > Protein 2.92g 6%
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Dan - 08 Mar 2005 18:06 GMT Not to mention it TASTES way better. Tastes like CHOCOLATE, by god. Never got the attraction of "milk chocolate". Compared to dark, it just tastes SWEET to me. Of course candy makers/bakers etc like it, because it's CHEAP.
Dan
> Personally, I usually eat some dark > chocolate daily -- a few squares. The darker the chocolate the less > sugar in it and the higher the concentration of the good stuff. Ignoramus2605 - 08 Mar 2005 18:17 GMT > Not to mention it TASTES way better. Tastes like CHOCOLATE, by god. > Never got the attraction of "milk chocolate". Compared to dark, it just > tastes SWEET to me. Of course candy makers/bakers etc like it, because > it's CHEAP. My thoughts exactly. Thanks for saying it so well.
Compared to milk "chocolate", bakers chocolate is the real deal -- a real chocolate for a much lower price per gram of pure chocolate, than most chocolate bars. I do not care for sweetness any more.
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Cubit - 08 Mar 2005 19:02 GMT I like to add either some vanilla extract or peppermint extract to my cocoa powder.
(I also add gray market carbless splenda, and saccharine.) (wish me luck!)
> > Not to mention it TASTES way better. Tastes like CHOCOLATE, by god. > > Never got the attraction of "milk chocolate". Compared to dark, it just [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > i Roger Zoul - 08 Mar 2005 20:47 GMT :: I like to add either some vanilla extract or peppermint extract to :: my cocoa powder. :: :: (I also add gray market carbless splenda, and saccharine.) (wish me :: luck!) So exactly what is this stuff you make? As cocoa powder has lots of fiber, this might be an interesting way to get more.
Cubit - 08 Mar 2005 21:47 GMT I change my recipe often. Sometimes I make a shake in about 100 ounces of liquid. Sometimes I make a paste that is like thick cake frosting or bit like the fudge brownies my grandmother used to make.
Typical paste version: 1 ounce coconut milk 1 ounce heavy cream 1 ounce cocoa powder one raw egg yolk 15 grams of L-Glutamine powder 1 scoop of low carb Isopure protein powder (it comes with the scooper) Liquid Splenda Liquid Saccharine 10 drops of peppermint extract
I mix the powders and the liquids separately, and then combine them and mix them manually into a very soft paste. After about an hour in the refrigerator it hardens into a thick paste.
This is makes about 6 ounces of paste. I have between .8 ounce and 1.2 ounce of the paste per hour between about 9AM and 4 PM. It feels very filling and seems indulgent. The whole bowl comes to around 400 calories.
Before 9AM I might have a cup of coffee and an ounce of cheese. 5 to 7PM could be LC ice cream, salami, or whatever. The whole day can come to 1000 calories. This helps make the average about 1400 per day after dining out on some other days.
Some folks might just not eat in preparation for a large evening dinner. If I were eating a lot all week I would do that too. However, when I regularly run restricted calories, I find it impossible to not eat in preparation for a large dinner. So, the paste keeps me satisfied through the day until the dinner. I dine out primarily for the social aspects of it. At home I rarely eat after 7PM.
> :: I like to add either some vanilla extract or peppermint extract to > :: my cocoa powder. > :: > :: (I also add gray market carbless splenda, and saccharine.) (wish me > :: luck!)
> So exactly what is this stuff you make? As cocoa powder has lots of fiber, > this might be an interesting way to get more. Roger Zoul - 08 Mar 2005 22:43 GMT Very interesting.
I do something similar, but different when running restricted (not all of the time, though).
I make a pudding:
1 scoup Designer chocolate protein powder 7 Tbsp sour cream Liquid splenda syrup base
That has 300 calories. I eat it as a meal, usually after the gym or evening workout.
I also make cheese rollups using a LC tortilla.
1 LC torilla 2 slices kraft cheese.
That has 240 calories. I'll eat one of those along with a McD sausage pattie (170 kcals) in the morning on the way to work. That brings me to 410 kcals for breakfast, plus coffee w/ 1 cream (34 kcals). Total: 434 kcals.
Lunch will be garden salad w/ 3 oz chicken breast: 264 kcals.
So by dinner I'm at about 700 kcals. On lifting nights I'll have another cheese rollup before going to the gym. Then another after the gym along with protein pudding.
Total: 1480 kcals.
Some days I'll skip a roll up to drop back to 1240 kcals.
I'll do 500-600 kcals worth of cardio spread over am/pm depending on time. On weekends I typically more as I'm going out on dates and can't count that closely. I eat a lot more veggies then, too. Sometimes I'll do a movie on Tuesday or Thursday with a gf, so that alters things too (she likes popcorn!).
If I know I'm going out to dinner on a given night, I just won't eat all day prior. I'll do cardio too.
:: I change my recipe often. Sometimes I make a shake in about 100 :: ounces of liquid. Sometimes I make a paste that is like thick cake [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] ::: So exactly what is this stuff you make? As cocoa powder has lots ::: of fiber, this might be an interesting way to get more. Black Metal Martha - 08 Mar 2005 23:58 GMT > Very interesting. > [quoted text clipped - 84 lines] > ::: So exactly what is this stuff you make? As cocoa powder has lots > ::: of fiber, this might be an interesting way to get more. Nice ideas!
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rosie read n' post - 09 Mar 2005 15:16 GMT http://www.camacdonald.com/lc/Cookbook/0804.html
Opinicus - 08 Mar 2005 17:57 GMT > myself up for failure", is there some good reason not to > eat that > chocolate? There is NEVER a reason not to eat chocolate.
Chocolate is a basic food group. ;-)
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Matthew - 08 Mar 2005 18:18 GMT > > myself up for failure", is there some good reason not to > > eat that [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Chocolate is a basic food group. > ;-) From http://www.wilk4.com/humor/humorm246.htm:
Chocolate is derived from cacao beans. Bean = vegetable. Sugar is derived from either sugar CANE or sugar BEETS. Both are plants, which places them in the vegetable category. Thus, chocolate is a vegetable.
To go one step further, chocolate candy bars also contain milk, which is dairy. So candy bars are a health food.
Chocolate-covered raisins, cherries, orange slices and strawberries all count as fruit, so eat as many as you want.
If you've got melted chocolate all over your hands, you're eating it too slowly.
The problem: How to get 2 pounds of chocolate home from the store in a hot car. The solution: Eat it in the parking lot.
Diet tip: Eat a chocolate bar before each meal. It'll take the edge off your appetite, and you'll eat less.
If calories are an issue, store your chocolate on top of the fridge. Calories are afraid of heights, and they will jump out of the chocolate to protect themselves. (We're testing this with other snack foods as well.)
If I eat equal amounts of dark chocolate and white chocolate, is that a balanced diet? Don't they actually counteract each other?
Chocolate has many preservatives. Preservatives make you look younger. Therefore, you need to eat more chocolate.
Put "eat chocolate" at the top of your list of things to do today. That way, at least you'll get one thing done.
A nice box of chocolates can provide your total daily intake of calories in one place. Now, isn't that handy?
If you can't eat all your chocolate, it will keep in the freezer. But if you can't eat all your chocolate, what's wrong with you?
If not for chocolate, there would be no need for control top pantyhose. An entire garment industry would be devastated. You can't let that happen, can you?
Saffire - 09 Mar 2005 03:16 GMT > > > myself up for failure", is there some good reason not to > > > eat that [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > from either sugar CANE or sugar BEETS. Both are plants, which places them in > the vegetable category. Thus, chocolate is a vegetable. Thanks for the laugh :-) I'm going to send this one to my mother and sister :-)
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jmk - 08 Mar 2005 17:58 GMT > I happen to like chocolate. Lately, I have been eating unsweetened > chocolate (from the baking secion of the store, 2 net carbs per ounce, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > sleep (due to having a certain project) and it keeps me up. Any > thoughts? Didn't you go through this last year? What made you come back to the Baker's chocolate?
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Opinicus - 08 Mar 2005 18:21 GMT Chocolate: Food product made from cocoa beans, consumed as candy and used to make beverages and as a flavouring ingredient or coating for various confections and bakery products. Rich in carbohydrates, it is an excellent source of quick energy and also contains minute amounts of the stimulating alkaloids theobromine and caffeine. At the court of Montezuma, the Aztec ruler of Mexico, in 1519, Hernán Cortés was served xocoatl, a bitter cocoa-bean drink, which he introduced to Spain. Sweetened, flavoured with cinnamon and vanilla, and served hot, the beverage remained a Spanish secret for almost a hundred years before its introduction to France. In 1657 a Frenchman opened a shop in London, at which solid chocolate for making the beverage could be purchased at 10 to 15 shillings a pound. At this price only the wealthy could afford to drink it, and there appeared in London, Amsterdam, and other European capitals fashionable chocolate houses, some of which later developed into famous clubs. About 1700 the English improved chocolate by the addition of milk. The reduction of the cost of the beverage was hampered in Great Britain by the imposition of high import duties on the raw cocoa bean, and it was not until the mid-19th century, when the duty was lowered to a uniform rate of 1 penny a pound, that chocolate became popular. Chocolate manufacture started in the American colonies in 1765 at Dorchester, Mass., using beans brought in by New England sea captains from their voyages to the West Indies. James Baker financed the first mill, which was operated by an Irish immigrant, John Hanan. Waterpower was used for grinding the beans. Chocolate is made from the kernels of fermented and roasted cocoa beans. The kernels are ground to form a paste called chocolate liquor, which may be hardened in molds to form baking (bitter) chocolate; pressed to reduce the cocoa butter (vegetable fat) content and then pulverized to make cocoa powder; or mixed with sugar and additional cocoa butter to make sweet (eating) chocolate, developed by the English firm of Fry and Sons in 1847. Coating chocolate for use on candies and biscuits (cookies) came into use soon afterward. The addition of concentrated milk to sweet chocolate produces milk chocolate, introduced by Daniel Peter of Switzerland in 1876.
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Opinicus - 08 Mar 2005 18:53 GMT Kidding aside, are there any scientific studies on chocolate "liking" (I won't say "addiction") and physiology/psychology etc? It's quite obvious, even from the few responses in this thread, that there's a big divide between people who "really like" chocolate and everybody else. (My own anecdotal experience is the same.)
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greg - 08 Mar 2005 19:03 GMT > Kidding aside, are there any scientific studies on chocolate "liking" (I > won't say "addiction") and physiology/psychology etc? Why not say it? That's what it is. That's how our body gets us to do the things it wants us to do. Without these mechanisms we would forget to eat, just like we forget to take out the garbage.
Dan - 08 Mar 2005 20:16 GMT I've heard it said (and by at least two candy store operators) that women seem to prefer milk chocolate, while men tend more towards dark. A rule with exceptions, of course. My wife prefers dark, as do I. I think also it's a matter of what you're exposed to. I see dark as more "gourmet", to use a value laden term. If all you've experienced in the way of "chocolate" is Hostess snack cakes, off the shelf cake mixes, cookies, puddings etc., and vending machine crap like M&M's, Snickers and so on, dark chocolate may strike you as bitter at first. Also there's the issue of "tasters" and "non-tasters", a genetic difference which may account for one's preferences, though I haven't heard it specifically mentioned as regards chocolate.
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> Kidding aside, are there any scientific studies on chocolate "liking" (I > won't say "addiction") and physiology/psychology etc? It's quite > obvious, even from the few responses in this thread, that there's a big > divide between people who "really like" chocolate and everybody else. > (My own anecdotal experience is the same.) Bob M - 08 Mar 2005 20:17 GMT > I've heard it said (and by at least two candy store operators) that > women seem to prefer milk chocolate, while men tend more towards dark. A [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Dan I was looking for that link! Thanks, Dan.
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Dan - 08 Mar 2005 20:24 GMT Bob-I've never taken that test (taster-non taster), it would be interesting to try. I think I'll see if it can be ordered somewhere.
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>> http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/8.30/helthrpt/stories/s369.htm >> >> Dan > > I was looking for that link! Thanks, Dan. Dan - 08 Mar 2005 20:21 GMT I should rephrase that 1st part, what I meant was of those who prefer dark chocolate, the majority tend to be male, not most men prefer dark. In general my guess is more people prefer milk chocolate, again because of what they've been exposed to, regardless of gender.
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> I've heard it said (and by at least two candy store operators) that > women seem to prefer milk chocolate, while men tend more towards dark. A [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >> big divide between people who "really like" chocolate and everybody >> else. (My own anecdotal experience is the same.) Roger Zoul - 08 Mar 2005 20:59 GMT :: I should rephrase that 1st part, what I meant was of those who prefer :: dark chocolate, the majority tend to be male, not most men prefer :: dark. In general my guess is more people prefer milk chocolate, :: again because of what they've been exposed to, regardless of gender. I know I prefer mile chocolate simply because I've eat enough of it.
Opinicus - 08 Mar 2005 20:51 GMT "Dan" <prograde49SPAMFREEMAIL@hotmail.com> wrote .
> I've heard it said (and by at least two candy store > operators) that women seem to prefer milk chocolate, while > men tend more towards dark. A rule with exceptions, of > course. My wife prefers dark, as do I. I think also it's > a matter of what you're exposed to. I see dark as more This makes chocolate sound like "The Force". (There's a Dark Side and a Light Side and it holds everything together.)
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Priscilla Ballou - 08 Mar 2005 21:35 GMT > "Dan" <prograde49SPAMFREEMAIL@hotmail.com> wrote > . [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > This makes chocolate sound like "The Force". (There's a Dark > Side and a Light Side and it holds everything together.) Yeah, well, what's your point? ;-)
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Dan - 08 Mar 2005 22:21 GMT Oh, I DEFINITELY lean towards the Dark Side ;-)
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> "Dan" <prograde49SPAMFREEMAIL@hotmail.com> wrote > . [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > This makes chocolate sound like "The Force". (There's a Dark Side and a > Light Side and it holds everything together.) Meghan Noecker - 09 Mar 2005 10:28 GMT >I've heard it said (and by at least two candy store operators) that >women seem to prefer milk chocolate, while men tend more towards dark. >A rule with exceptions, of course. My wife prefers dark, as do I. I >think also it's a matter of what you're exposed to. I prefer dark. I will eat milk chocolate too, and I do like Hershey's very much. But give me a good dark chocolate, and I will be very happy.
There are some chocolates I do not like at all. Whitman's, Palmers, etc. And I don't care for most candy bars or candies. I would much rather eat a plain chocolate bar than a bar with other junk in it. Just give me the chocolate :)
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Saffire - 09 Mar 2005 03:26 GMT > Kidding aside, are there any scientific studies on chocolate > "liking" (I won't say "addiction") and physiology/psychology > etc? It's quite obvious, even from the few responses in this > thread, that there's a big divide between people who "really > like" chocolate and everybody else. (My own anecdotal > experience is the same.) Chocolate IS addictive. I had gotten into the habit of making and eating my own version of chocolate bars for several months now and made myself go cold turkey a several days ago because I was eating more and more of it and it was really affecting my calories (and carbs, but mostly calories). I had a nasty caffiene headache for 2 days (so I added regular coffee to the mix, which I've now managed to get down to 1/2-caf--1/2 decaf.
Last night I wanted something sweet, but not too much because I was going to bed and I've been very good about resisting making up a new batch of bars (I have a veritable stockpile of ingredients for it and it's quick and easy to make). Instead, I mixed 2 tbl of plain yogurt with 1/2 tsp of dutch cocoa powder and some Sweetzfree liquid Splenda -- it was GREAT! I'm going to have to experiment some more with THAT. I've been working on a box of Droste cocoa powder since last fall, but my son gave me son premium dutch cocoa powder for Christmas -- I think it's time to open it to see what it's like.
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Suze - 08 Mar 2005 19:23 GMT Quoting Ignoramus2605 <ignoramus2605@NOSPAM.2605.invalid>:
>I happen to like chocolate. Lately, I have been eating unsweetened >chocolate (from the baking secion of the store, 2 net carbs per ounce, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >myself up for failure", is there some good reason not to eat that >chocolate? As long as you can continue to practice portion control, I don't see why not. I have a small bit of dark chocolate almost daily, and have been doing so through 4+ years of maintenance.
If it ends up being a problem for you, ya know what to do...
>One of the reasons why I eat it is that I do not get enough >sleep (due to having a certain project) and it keeps me up. Any >thoughts? Well, coffee has less calories. But I don't think Paleo adherents drink coffee (aren't you into that)? Or tea, I suppose.
PJx - 09 Mar 2005 05:14 GMT >I happen to like chocolate. Lately, I have been eating unsweetened >chocolate (from the baking secion of the store, 2 net carbs per ounce, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >sleep (due to having a certain project) and it keeps me up. Any >thoughts? Sam's makes a semi-sweet chocolate chip that is 39% chocolate and is very good for those that can practice portion control. I try to make a 12 oz bag last about 30 days. Hershey's makes a similar bag of dark chocolate chips.
I've been fortunate and not gained any weight doing this for a few months, but be careful.
Rachael - 10 Mar 2005 21:18 GMT A few easters ago, i was with a girlfrind of mine, and i stayed over it happened to be easter.,
We both stuffed ourselves full of chocolate, we where only 17 at the time. She swears that on that night she heard me mumbling "mmmm Chocolate" Funny huh!! Apparently i went to sleep with half a toblerone in my mouth!!
Ha ha never again.. at this rate i dont think ill know what a cadbury black tastes like again!! Ive forgotten !!!!!!!!
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>I happen to like chocolate. Lately, I have been eating unsweetened > chocolate (from the baking secion of the store, 2 net carbs per ounce, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > sleep (due to having a certain project) and it keeps me up. Any > thoughts? Ignoramus21682 - 10 Mar 2005 21:22 GMT > A few easters ago, i was with a girlfrind of mine, and i stayed over it > happened to be easter., [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Ha ha never again.. at this rate i dont think ill know what a cadbury black > tastes like again!! Ive forgotten !!!!!!!! I am extremely impressed. I do not think that I would be able to fall asleep after eating a lot of chocolate. I eat my chocolate partly to stay awake. :)
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