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Ignoramus2605 - 08 Mar 2005 16:40 GMT
I happen to like chocolate. Lately, I have been eating unsweetened
chocolate (from the baking secion of the store, 2 net carbs per ounce,
no sugal alcohols etc), it does not seem to be doing any obvious
harm. Usually, 1 oz a day is what I eat, if I eat it at all. Since it
is concentrated, chocolate wise it may be equivalent to several ounces
of diluted "milk" chocolate. My question is, am I somehow "setting
myself up for failure", is there some good reason not to eat that
chocolate? One of the reasons why I eat it is that I do not get enough
sleep (due to having a certain project) and it keeps me up. Any
thoughts?

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sej29@cornell.edu - 08 Mar 2005 16:59 GMT
> I happen to like chocolate. Lately, I have been eating unsweetened
> chocolate (from the baking secion of the store, 2 net carbs per ounce,
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>From what I've heard, very dark chocolate, and, in your case,
unsweetened chocolate, actually has health benefits because of its
antioxidants. (Even milk chocolate does, but we all know how much more
"fattening" it is, so you can't eat as much at one time). I don't know
anything about low-carbing but I don't see how 2 net carbs could hurt
you-- I'm sure you add them into your daily count. It's really the
extra sugar that's detrimental, which your chocolate doesn't have.

Sara
Bob M - 08 Mar 2005 17:05 GMT
>> I happen to like chocolate. Lately, I have been eating unsweetened
>> chocolate (from the baking secion of the store, 2 net carbs per
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>
> Sara

I think it's way higher than 2 net carbs.  According to the Scharffen  
Berger website, 40g of 99% chocolate has about 14g of carbs with less than  
1g of fiber.  So, we're talking about 20g of carbs, which may or may not  
be bad depending on (1) the cravings induced by chocolate, if any, and (2)  
the stage of the low carb diet.

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Ignoramus2605 - 08 Mar 2005 17:16 GMT
>>> I happen to like chocolate. Lately, I have been eating unsweetened
>>> chocolate (from the baking secion of the store, 2 net carbs per
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> I think it's way higher than 2 net carbs.  According to the
> Scharffen Berger website, 40g of 99% chocolate has about 14g of

I am highly doubtful that that 99% chocolate is really 99% chocolate.
Sounds like those "7 peak HP" electric motors on compressors which are
rated for 12 amps (and hence for about 2 HP at most).

> carbs with less than 1g of fiber.  So, we're talking about 20g of
> carbs, which may or may not be bad depending on (1) the cravings
> induced by chocolate, if any, and (2) the stage of the low carb
> diet.

Check out

http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts-001-02s045q.html

132 grams of unsweetened chocolate (which is way too much), would
contain 39 grams of carbs, out of which 22 grams are "fiber" (somewhat
puzzling, just what is that "fiber"). So, 132 grams of it contains 17
net carbs, and one ounce would contain 3.6 net carbs.

3.6 net carbs is not that much, assuming that the "fiber" calculation
is correct.

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Mogget - 08 Mar 2005 17:47 GMT
>I am highly doubtful that that 99% chocolate is really 99% chocolate.

I have tasted it.  It was about the bitterest thing I have ever tasted.
Absolutely vile.  It was basically cocoa powder pressed into a block.
If anybody could actually eat that stuff for anything approaching
pleasure, I would be astonished.
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greg - 08 Mar 2005 17:52 GMT
>> I am highly doubtful that that 99% chocolate is really 99% chocolate.
>
> I have tasted it.  It was about the bitterest thing I have ever tasted.
> Absolutely vile.  It was basically cocoa powder pressed into a block. If
> anybody could actually eat that stuff for anything approaching pleasure,
> I would be astonished.

The 85% chocolate bars are good and it doesn't take a lot to feel satisfied.
Ignoramus2605 - 08 Mar 2005 17:58 GMT
>>I am highly doubtful that that 99% chocolate is really 99% chocolate.
>
> I have tasted it.  It was about the bitterest thing I have ever tasted.
> Absolutely vile.  It was basically cocoa powder pressed into a block.
> If anybody could actually eat that stuff for anything approaching
> pleasure, I would be astonished.

I eat similar chocolate several times a week and like it a lot.
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Opinicus - 08 Mar 2005 18:04 GMT
[Talking about unsweetened baker's chocolate]

> If anybody could actually eat that stuff for anything
> approaching pleasure, I would be astonished.

Us chocolate freaks do it all the time...

(It's what's called "an acquired taste".)

I discovered the stuff as a kid. Whenever my mother muttered
"But I'm *sure* I bought baker's chocolate..." I would put
on my very best halo of innocence. It never occurred to her
that I was pilfering squares of it. The thought of eating
unsweetened chocolate is inconceivable to a non-chocolate
freaks. Yet at one time there was a civilization that
thrived on the stuff.

Note: A little goes a LONG way.

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Crafting Mom - 08 Mar 2005 18:10 GMT
> Note: A little goes a LONG way.

An ounce of the stuff gives me the amount of pure chocolate that I'd
need to eat over a dozen hershey bars to obtain, I am sure.  
WakeUp2005@adelphia.net - 09 Mar 2005 03:38 GMT
>The thought of eating
>unsweetened chocolate is inconceivable to a non-chocolate
>freaks. Yet at one time there was a civilization that
>thrived on the stuff.

Yes, and that civilization (the Aztec and, it now appears, Maya) also
thrived on the eating of hearts ripped from the chests of human
beings.
Cubit - 09 Mar 2005 12:43 GMT
Organ meats are supposed to have lots of vitamins.

> >The thought of eating
> >unsweetened chocolate is inconceivable to a non-chocolate
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> thrived on the eating of hearts ripped from the chests of human
> beings.
rosie read n' post - 09 Mar 2005 15:09 GMT
: I have tasted it.  It was about the bitterest thing I have ever tasted.
: Absolutely vile.  It was basically cocoa powder pressed into a block.
: If anybody could actually eat that stuff for anything approaching

mixed with melted butter, whole cream, and splenda?
YUM!
Bob M - 09 Mar 2005 15:24 GMT
> : I have tasted it.  It was about the bitterest thing I have ever
> tasted.
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> mixed with melted butter, whole cream, and splenda?
> YUM!

The one and only time I tried to make that, it separated.  There must be a  
trick to it.

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Black Metal Martha - 09 Mar 2005 16:17 GMT
> > : I have tasted it.  It was about the bitterest thing I have ever
> > tasted.
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>
> --

Chocolate seizes up if it's not prepared at the right temperature. I
don't have my chocolate book at work, but if you like, I can get some
more concrete info for you.

Martha
Bob M - 09 Mar 2005 16:31 GMT
>> > : I have tasted it.  It was about the bitterest thing I have ever
>> > tasted.
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>
> Martha

Do you prepare this?  When I made it (a long while ago), I melted the  
chocolate in a double boiler, then took the chocolate off the boiler and  
added the ingredients, then spread the ingredients on foil and put in the  
fridge.  This didn't work.  Perhaps I should've waited for the chocolate  
to cool?

As for looking this up, that's ok -- I try to avoid eating chocolate, as I  
tend to eat too much.  If I want chocolate, I'll go to the mall and buy a  
few pieces of good chocolate there.

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None Given - 09 Mar 2005 16:51 GMT
> Do you prepare this?  When I made it (a long while ago), I melted the
> chocolate in a double boiler, then took the chocolate off the boiler and
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> tend to eat too much.  If I want chocolate, I'll go to the mall and buy a
> few pieces of good chocolate there.

I need to find out about this, too.  My husband likes chocolate almond bars
so I need to make some that is low carb and won't come apart all over his
hands.

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Crafting Mom - 09 Mar 2005 17:43 GMT
> I need to find out about this, too.  My husband likes chocolate almond bars
> so I need to make some that is low carb and won't come apart all over his
> hands.

I've never seen homemade chocolate that doesn't melt in your hands.
I've seen people add a light coating of wax to prevent it.
But pure chocolate with real ingredients - melts IME
None Given - 09 Mar 2005 20:02 GMT
> > I need to find out about this, too.  My husband likes chocolate almond bars
> > so I need to make some that is low carb and won't come apart all over his
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> I've seen people add a light coating of wax to prevent it.
> But pure chocolate with real ingredients - melts IME

I just want it not to make a mess, it needs to be more like a candy bar or a
piece of fudge
than pudding so he can eat it with his hands instead of a spoon.

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Bob M - 09 Mar 2005 20:14 GMT
>> > I need to find out about this, too.  My husband likes chocolate almond
> bars
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> piece of fudge
> than pudding so he can eat it with his hands instead of a spoon.

Mine got hard, but the fat separated (which was hard in the  
fridge/freezer).

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Black Metal Martha - 09 Mar 2005 21:09 GMT
> > I need to find out about this, too.  My husband likes chocolate almond bars
> > so I need to make some that is low carb and won't come apart all over his
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> I've seen people add a light coating of wax to prevent it.
> But pure chocolate with real ingredients - melts IME

Parrifin wax is disgusting as well. The decent chocolatiers would never
use it.

Chocolate does melt, but if you freeze it, it won't melt quite as fast.

Martha
Black Metal Martha - 09 Mar 2005 17:17 GMT
> >> > : I have tasted it.  It was about the bitterest thing I have ever
> >> > tasted.
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>
> Do you prepare this?  When I made it (a long while ago), I melted the

> chocolate in a double boiler, then took the chocolate off the boiler and
> added the ingredients, then spread the ingredients on foil and put in the
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> --
> Bob in CT

I try to avoid chocolate for as long as a can, but after a while, I do
need some. I try to make it good chocolate though.

I also have cooked a lot with chocolate. I'm an amateur chef. ;) My
truffles and chocolate baked goods rock! If you give me until tonight,
I'll dig up some good info for you.

Martha
Bob M - 09 Mar 2005 17:26 GMT
>> On 9 Mar 2005 08:17:42 -0800, Black Metal Martha
> <bastmag666@yahoo.com>
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>
> Martha

Sounds fine to me.  Maybe this year, after a long bike ride, I could have  
some chocolate (I'll have to make it and freeze it, then bring it out  
slowly).

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Roger Zoul - 09 Mar 2005 17:43 GMT
:: On 9 Mar 2005 09:17:58 -0800, Black Metal Martha
:: <bastmag666@yahoo.com> wrote:
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:: have some chocolate (I'll have to make it and freeze it, then bring
:: it out slowly).

A local club here had a ride either in Jan or Feb. At the end, they had a
chocolate feast.
I think pam_in_sc did that ride and took flourless chocolate cake.  I
couldn't go, but she brought me a piece.  Good.
Bob M - 09 Mar 2005 17:39 GMT
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> ::: I try to avoid chocolate for as long as a can, but after a while, I
> ::: do need some. I try to make it good chocolate though.
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> I think pam_in_sc did that ride and took flourless chocolate cake.  I
> couldn't go, but she brought me a piece.  Good.

I made flourless chocolate cake once, for Christmas two years ago.  It's  
like cheesecake with no "cheese."  That stuff was dense!

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Roger Zoul - 09 Mar 2005 17:54 GMT
:: [cut]
::::::
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:: I made flourless chocolate cake once, for Christmas two years ago.
:: It's like cheesecake with no "cheese."  That stuff was dense!

No kidding. It doesn't take much.
Opinicus - 09 Mar 2005 18:31 GMT
> I made flourless chocolate cake once, for Christmas two
> years ago.  It's  like cheesecake with no "cheese."

Combining two things I love:

http://www.lowcarbluxury.com/recipes/recipe-cheesecake02.html

Chocolate and cheese...
Mmmm.

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Ruzinthra the Ruki - 10 Mar 2005 05:29 GMT
>I have tasted it.  It was about the bitterest thing I have ever tasted.
>Absolutely vile.  It was basically cocoa powder pressed into a block.
>If anybody could actually eat that stuff for anything approaching
>pleasure, I would be astonished.

now i've never researched this myself, but i've read articles in
reputable sources that say that eating chocolate produces an
enzyme (or something) in a woman's brain that's also produced
when she has sex.  does it have to be sweetened chocolate?
that's what i want to know.  what for?  general purposes, i
suppose.

david
Ignoramus2605 - 08 Mar 2005 17:07 GMT
>> I happen to like chocolate. Lately, I have been eating unsweetened
>> chocolate (from the baking secion of the store, 2 net carbs per
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>
> Sara

Thanks Sara. I am not sure if the antioxidants really help with
anything measurable, but you are right, they are there in the chocolate.

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Roger Zoul - 08 Mar 2005 17:21 GMT
:: On 8 Mar 2005 08:59:11 -0800, sej29@cornell.edu <sej29@cornell.edu>
:: wrote:
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:: anything measurable, but you are right, they are there in the
:: chocolate.

Two things enter my mind:

1) stable weight
2) increase appetite.

If you don't have a problem in either area, carry on. If/when you do, quit
enjoying yourself so much :)
Matthew - 08 Mar 2005 17:04 GMT
> I happen to like chocolate. Lately, I have been eating unsweetened
> chocolate (from the baking secion of the store, 2 net carbs per ounce,
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> sleep (due to having a certain project) and it keeps me up. Any
> thoughts?

If you're not prone to binge on chocolate I don't see any problem in eating
it. But I don't think chocolate is an adequate substitute for sleep.
--
Matthew
185/177/160
To reply by e-mail, heat things up a bit.
Ignoramus2605 - 08 Mar 2005 17:06 GMT
>> I happen to like chocolate. Lately, I have been eating unsweetened
>> chocolate (from the baking secion of the store, 2 net carbs per ounce,
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> If you're not prone to binge on chocolate I don't see any problem in eating
> it. But I don't think chocolate is an adequate substitute for sleep.

Thanks. I agree on the sleep issue.

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Priscilla Ballou - 08 Mar 2005 17:30 GMT
> I happen to like chocolate. Lately, I have been eating unsweetened
> chocolate (from the baking secion of the store, 2 net carbs per ounce,
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> sleep (due to having a certain project) and it keeps me up. Any
> thoughts?

Below is the fitday.com breakdown for one ounce of unsweetened
chocolate.  Looks like you're getting about four net grams of carb per
ounce, with a good amount of fiber.  Plus chocolate has some chemicals
in it that are really good for you.  (Specifics archived from brain.)  
As long as you're not on induction and need to be spending those 4 grams
on vegies, I don't see a problem.  Personally, I usually eat some dark
chocolate daily -- a few squares.  The darker the chocolate the less
sugar in it and the higher the concentration of the good stuff.

Priscilla

Nutrition Facts
?
Amount Per 1 square (1 oz)
Calories?147.99
Calories from Fat 141.1
?
% Daily Value *
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Total Fat 15.68g  24%
------------------------------------------------------------------------
???   Saturated Fat 9.24g  46%
------------------------------------------------------------------------
???   Polyunsaturated Fat 0.499g    ?
------------------------------------------------------------------------
???   Monounsaturated Fat 5.23g  ?
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Cholesterol 0mg   0%
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sodium 3.97mg  0%
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Potassium 236.16mg   7%
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Total Carbohydrate 8.02g   3%
------------------------------------------------------------------------
???   Dietary Fiber 4.37g  17%
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Protein 2.92g  6%
------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Bob M - 08 Mar 2005 17:30 GMT
>> I happen to like chocolate. Lately, I have been eating unsweetened
>> chocolate (from the baking secion of the store, 2 net carbs per ounce,
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> Protein 2.92g  6%
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

But see:

http://www.scharffenberger.com/nutri_info4.php

The values there are much different than the values quoted above.

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jmk - 08 Mar 2005 18:05 GMT
>>> I happen to like chocolate. Lately, I have been eating unsweetened
>>> chocolate (from the baking secion of the store, 2 net carbs per ounce,
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>
> The values there are much different than the values quoted above.

Oh please!  Oh and I know that Scharffen Berger is the way to go -- and
while I like a good deal as much as the next gal -- I think that we all
know that Ig is just too cheap to go this way.  In the past he has
indicated that he is getting the Baker's unsweeted baking chocolate from
the baking aisle in the grocery store.

P.S.  I prefer the 1 oz Scharffen Berger 70% mini bars which I get at
Whole Foods ;-)
(http://www.scharffenberger.com/nutri_info2.php?osCsid=6fdf7a434d6f523a29dcd89662
4e8115
)

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Black Metal Martha - 08 Mar 2005 18:38 GMT
> >>> I happen to like chocolate. Lately, I have been eating unsweetened
> >>> chocolate (from the baking secion of the store, 2 net carbs per ounce,
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> >>
> >> % Daily Value *

------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> Total Fat 15.68g  24%

------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>       Saturated Fat 9.24g  46%

------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>       Polyunsaturated Fat 0.499g

------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>       Monounsaturated Fat 5.23g

------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> Cholesterol 0mg   0%

------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> Sodium 3.97mg  0%

------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> Potassium 236.16mg   7%

------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> Total Carbohydrate 8.02g   3%

------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>       Dietary Fiber 4.37g  17%

------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> Protein 2.92g  6%

------------------------------------------------------------------------

> > But see:
> >
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>
> P.S.  I prefer the 1 oz Scharffen Berger 70% mini bars which I get at

> Whole Foods ;-)

(http://www.scharffenberger.com/nutri_info2.php?osCsid=6fdf7a434d6f523a29dcd89662
4e8115
)

> --

Yes, Scharffenberger is made here!!! If you happen to ever visit the
Bay Area, their factory tour is cool.

And yes, you-know-who is too cheap for anything decent tasting, we know
that. :)

Baker's chocolate. BLECH!!!!!!!!!!

Martha
knows the good stuff from the crap
Priscilla Ballou - 08 Mar 2005 20:33 GMT
> But see:
>
> http://www.scharffenberger.com/nutri_info4.php
>
> The values there are much different than the values quoted above.

Yes, they do appear to be.  They're also for 1.4 oz, not 1 oz.

I just pulled a package of Baker's unsweetened off my pantry shelf.  
That says it has 4 grams carb gross less 2 grams fiber = 2 grams carb
per 1/2 square.  1 square = 1 ounce, so that's 4 grams net carb per
ounce and fits with the fitday figures I quoted upthread.

Sharffenberger may be putting something else into their unsweetened
chocolate, or their formula may be different.  There are a wide variety
of chocolate varieties, and different chocolate specialty houses (like
Sharffenberger) will select specific varieties to use in their
chocolate.  Possibly the chocolate they use is higher in carb than the
variety(ies) used in the Baker's product.  I learned a lot about
chocolates the other day at chocosphere.com (while I was placing an
order!).

Priscilla
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Ignoramus2605 - 08 Mar 2005 17:36 GMT
>> I happen to like chocolate. Lately, I have been eating unsweetened
>> chocolate (from the baking secion of the store, 2 net carbs per ounce,
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> chocolate daily -- a few squares.  The darker the chocolate the less
> sugar in it and the higher the concentration of the good stuff.

Thank you Priscilla. I will double check the label tonight, to see if
perhaps the 2 grams of carbs are for the 15 gram half ot the square.

i

> Priscilla
>
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>       Dietary Fiber 4.37g  17%
> Protein 2.92g  6%

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Dan - 08 Mar 2005 18:06 GMT
Not to mention it TASTES way better. Tastes like CHOCOLATE, by god.
Never got the attraction of "milk chocolate".  Compared to dark, it just
tastes SWEET to me.  Of course candy makers/bakers etc like it, because
it's CHEAP.

Dan

> Personally, I usually eat some dark
> chocolate daily -- a few squares.  The darker the chocolate the less
> sugar in it and the higher the concentration of the good stuff.
Ignoramus2605 - 08 Mar 2005 18:17 GMT
> Not to mention it TASTES way better. Tastes like CHOCOLATE, by god.
> Never got the attraction of "milk chocolate".  Compared to dark, it just
> tastes SWEET to me.  Of course candy makers/bakers etc like it, because
> it's CHEAP.

My thoughts exactly. Thanks for saying it so well.

Compared to milk "chocolate", bakers chocolate is the real deal -- a
real chocolate for a much lower price per gram of pure chocolate, than
most chocolate bars. I do not care for sweetness any more.

i
Cubit - 08 Mar 2005 19:02 GMT
I like to add either some vanilla extract or peppermint extract to my cocoa
powder.

(I also add gray market carbless splenda, and saccharine.)  (wish me luck!)

> > Not to mention it TASTES way better. Tastes like CHOCOLATE, by god.
> > Never got the attraction of "milk chocolate".  Compared to dark, it just
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>
> i
Roger Zoul - 08 Mar 2005 20:47 GMT
:: I like to add either some vanilla extract or peppermint extract to
:: my cocoa powder.
::
:: (I also add gray market carbless splenda, and saccharine.)  (wish me
:: luck!)

So exactly what is this stuff you make?  As cocoa powder has lots of fiber,
this might be an interesting way to get more.
Cubit - 08 Mar 2005 21:47 GMT
I change my recipe often.  Sometimes I make a shake in about 100 ounces of
liquid.  Sometimes I make a paste that is like thick cake frosting or bit
like the fudge brownies my grandmother used to make.

Typical paste version:
1 ounce coconut milk
1 ounce heavy cream
1 ounce cocoa powder
one raw egg yolk
15 grams of L-Glutamine powder
1 scoop of low carb Isopure protein powder (it comes with the scooper)
Liquid Splenda
Liquid Saccharine
10 drops of peppermint extract

I mix the powders and the liquids separately, and then combine them and mix
them manually into a very soft paste.  After about an hour in the
refrigerator it hardens into a thick paste.

This is makes about 6 ounces of paste.  I have between .8 ounce and 1.2
ounce of the paste per hour between about 9AM and 4 PM.  It feels very
filling and seems indulgent.  The whole bowl comes to around 400 calories.

Before 9AM I might have a cup of coffee and an ounce of cheese.  5 to 7PM
could be LC ice cream, salami, or whatever.  The whole day can come to 1000
calories.  This helps make the average about 1400 per day after dining out
on some other days.

Some folks might just not eat in preparation for a large evening dinner.  If
I were eating a lot all week I would do that too.  However, when I regularly
run restricted calories, I find it impossible to not eat in preparation for
a large dinner.  So, the paste keeps me satisfied through the day until the
dinner.  I dine out primarily for the social aspects of it.  At home I
rarely eat after 7PM.

> :: I like to add either some vanilla extract or peppermint extract to
> :: my cocoa powder.
> ::
> :: (I also add gray market carbless splenda, and saccharine.)  (wish me
> :: luck!)

> So exactly what is this stuff you make?  As cocoa powder has lots of fiber,
> this might be an interesting way to get more.
Roger Zoul - 08 Mar 2005 22:43 GMT
Very interesting.

I do something similar, but different when running restricted (not all of
the time, though).

I make a pudding:

1 scoup Designer chocolate protein powder
7 Tbsp sour cream
Liquid splenda syrup base

That has 300 calories.  I eat it as a meal, usually after the gym or evening
workout.

I also make cheese rollups using a LC tortilla.

1 LC torilla
2 slices kraft cheese.

That has 240 calories.  I'll eat one of those along with a McD sausage
pattie (170 kcals) in the morning on the way to work.  That brings me to 410
kcals for breakfast, plus coffee w/ 1 cream (34 kcals). Total: 434 kcals.

Lunch will be garden salad w/ 3 oz chicken breast: 264 kcals.

So by dinner I'm at about 700 kcals.  On lifting nights I'll have another
cheese rollup before going to the gym.  Then another after the gym along
with protein pudding.

Total: 1480 kcals.

Some days I'll skip a roll up to drop back to 1240 kcals.

I'll do 500-600 kcals worth of cardio spread over am/pm depending on time.
On weekends I typically more as I'm going out on dates and can't count that
closely. I eat a lot more veggies then, too.  Sometimes I'll do a movie on
Tuesday or Thursday with a gf, so that alters things too (she likes
popcorn!).

If I know I'm going out to dinner on a given night, I just won't eat all day
prior. I'll do cardio too.

:: I change my recipe often.  Sometimes I make a shake in about 100
:: ounces of liquid.  Sometimes I make a paste that is like thick cake
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::: So exactly what is this stuff you make?  As cocoa powder has lots
::: of fiber, this might be an interesting way to get more.
Black Metal Martha - 08 Mar 2005 23:58 GMT
> Very interesting.
>
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> ::: So exactly what is this stuff you make?  As cocoa powder has lots
> ::: of fiber, this might be an interesting way to get more.

Nice ideas!

Martha
rosie read n' post - 09 Mar 2005 15:16 GMT
http://www.camacdonald.com/lc/Cookbook/0804.html
Opinicus - 08 Mar 2005 17:57 GMT
> myself up for failure", is there some good reason not to
> eat that
> chocolate?

There is NEVER  a reason not to eat chocolate.

Chocolate is a basic food group.
;-)

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Matthew - 08 Mar 2005 18:18 GMT
> > myself up for failure", is there some good reason not to
> > eat that
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Chocolate is a basic food group.
> ;-)

From http://www.wilk4.com/humor/humorm246.htm:

Chocolate is derived from cacao beans. Bean = vegetable. Sugar is derived
from either sugar CANE or sugar BEETS. Both are plants, which places them in
the vegetable category. Thus, chocolate is a vegetable.

To go one step further, chocolate candy bars also contain milk, which is
dairy. So candy bars are a health food.

Chocolate-covered raisins, cherries, orange slices and strawberries all
count as fruit, so eat as many as you want.

If you've got melted chocolate all over your hands, you're eating it too
slowly.

The problem: How to get 2 pounds of chocolate home from the store in a hot
car. The solution: Eat it in the parking lot.

Diet tip: Eat a chocolate bar before each meal. It'll take the edge off your
appetite, and you'll eat less.

If calories are an issue, store your chocolate on top of the fridge.
Calories are afraid of heights, and they will jump out of the chocolate to
protect themselves. (We're testing this with other snack foods as well.)

If I eat equal amounts of dark chocolate and white chocolate, is that a
balanced diet? Don't they actually counteract each other?

Chocolate has many preservatives. Preservatives make you look younger.
Therefore, you need to eat more chocolate.

Put "eat chocolate" at the top of your list of things to do today. That way,
at least you'll get one thing done.

A nice box of chocolates can provide your total daily intake of calories in
one place. Now, isn't that handy?

If you can't eat all your chocolate, it will keep in the freezer. But if you
can't eat all your chocolate, what's wrong with you?

If not for chocolate, there would be no need for control top pantyhose. An
entire garment industry would be devastated. You can't let that happen, can
you?
Saffire - 09 Mar 2005 03:16 GMT
> > > myself up for failure", is there some good reason not to
> > > eat that
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> from either sugar CANE or sugar BEETS. Both are plants, which places them in
> the vegetable category. Thus, chocolate is a vegetable.

Thanks for the laugh :-)  I'm going to send this one to my mother and
sister :-)

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jmk - 08 Mar 2005 17:58 GMT
> I happen to like chocolate. Lately, I have been eating unsweetened
> chocolate (from the baking secion of the store, 2 net carbs per ounce,
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> sleep (due to having a certain project) and it keeps me up. Any
> thoughts?

Didn't you go through this last year?  What made you come back to the
Baker's chocolate?

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Opinicus - 08 Mar 2005 18:21 GMT
Chocolate: Food product made from cocoa beans, consumed as
candy and used to make beverages and as a flavouring
ingredient or coating for various confections and bakery
products. Rich in carbohydrates, it is an excellent source
of quick energy and also contains minute amounts of the
stimulating alkaloids theobromine and caffeine. At the court
of Montezuma, the Aztec ruler of Mexico, in 1519, Hernán
Cortés was served xocoatl, a bitter cocoa-bean drink, which
he introduced to Spain. Sweetened, flavoured with cinnamon
and vanilla, and served hot, the beverage remained a Spanish
secret for almost a hundred years before its introduction to
France. In 1657 a Frenchman opened a shop in London, at
which solid chocolate for making the beverage could be
purchased at 10 to 15 shillings a pound. At this price only
the wealthy could afford to drink it, and there appeared in
London, Amsterdam, and other European capitals fashionable
chocolate houses, some of which later developed into famous
clubs. About 1700 the English improved chocolate by the
addition of milk. The reduction of the cost of the beverage
was hampered in Great Britain by the imposition of high
import duties on the raw cocoa bean, and it was not until
the mid-19th century, when the duty was lowered to a uniform
rate of 1 penny a pound, that chocolate became popular.
Chocolate manufacture started in the American colonies in
1765 at Dorchester, Mass., using beans brought in by New
England sea captains from their voyages to the West Indies.
James Baker financed the first mill, which was operated by
an Irish immigrant, John Hanan. Waterpower was used for
grinding the beans. Chocolate is made from the kernels of
fermented and roasted cocoa beans. The kernels are ground to
form a paste called chocolate liquor, which may be hardened
in molds to form baking (bitter) chocolate; pressed to
reduce the cocoa butter (vegetable fat) content and then
pulverized to make cocoa powder; or mixed with sugar and
additional cocoa butter to make sweet (eating) chocolate,
developed by the English firm of Fry and Sons in 1847.
Coating chocolate for use on candies and biscuits (cookies)
came into use soon afterward. The addition of concentrated
milk to sweet chocolate produces milk chocolate, introduced
by Daniel Peter of Switzerland in 1876.

"chocolate." Encyclopædia Britannica from Encyclopædia
Britannica Premium Service.

http://www.britannica.com/eb/article?tocId=9082278
Opinicus - 08 Mar 2005 18:53 GMT
Kidding aside, are there any scientific studies on chocolate
"liking" (I won't say "addiction") and physiology/psychology
etc? It's quite obvious, even from the few responses in this
thread, that there's a big divide between people who "really
like" chocolate and everybody else. (My own anecdotal
experience is the same.)

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greg - 08 Mar 2005 19:03 GMT
> Kidding aside, are there any scientific studies on chocolate "liking" (I
> won't say "addiction") and physiology/psychology etc?

Why not say it? That's what it is. That's how our body gets us to do the
things it wants us to do. Without these mechanisms we would forget to
eat, just like we forget to take out the garbage.
Dan - 08 Mar 2005 20:16 GMT
I've heard it said (and by at least two candy store operators) that
women seem to prefer milk chocolate, while men tend more towards dark.
A rule with exceptions, of course.  My wife prefers dark, as do I.  I
think also it's a matter of what you're exposed to.  I see dark as more
"gourmet", to use a value laden term.  If all you've experienced in the
way of "chocolate" is Hostess snack cakes, off the shelf cake mixes,
cookies, puddings etc., and vending machine crap like M&M's, Snickers
and so on, dark chocolate may strike you as bitter at first.  Also
there's the issue of "tasters" and "non-tasters", a genetic difference
which may account for one's preferences, though I haven't heard it
specifically mentioned as regards chocolate.

http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/8.30/helthrpt/stories/s369.htm

Dan

> Kidding aside, are there any scientific studies on chocolate "liking" (I
> won't say "addiction") and physiology/psychology etc? It's quite
> obvious, even from the few responses in this thread, that there's a big
> divide between people who "really like" chocolate and everybody else.
> (My own anecdotal experience is the same.)
Bob M - 08 Mar 2005 20:17 GMT
> I've heard it said (and by at least two candy store operators) that  
> women seem to prefer milk chocolate, while men tend more towards dark. A  
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> Dan

I was looking for that link!  Thanks, Dan.

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Dan - 08 Mar 2005 20:24 GMT
Bob-I've never taken that test (taster-non taster), it would be
interesting to try.  I think I'll see if it can be ordered somewhere.

Dan

>> http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/8.30/helthrpt/stories/s369.htm
>>
>> Dan
>
> I was looking for that link!  Thanks, Dan.
Dan - 08 Mar 2005 20:21 GMT
I should rephrase that 1st part, what I meant was of those who prefer
dark chocolate, the majority tend to be male, not most men prefer dark.
 In general my guess is more people prefer milk chocolate, again
because of what they've been exposed to, regardless of gender.

Dan

> I've heard it said (and by at least two candy store operators) that
> women seem to prefer milk chocolate, while men tend more towards dark. A
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>> big divide between people who "really like" chocolate and everybody
>> else. (My own anecdotal experience is the same.)
Roger Zoul - 08 Mar 2005 20:59 GMT
:: I should rephrase that 1st part, what I meant was of those who prefer
:: dark chocolate, the majority tend to be male, not most men prefer
::   dark. In general my guess is more people prefer milk chocolate,
:: again because of what they've been exposed to, regardless of gender.

I know I prefer mile chocolate simply because I've eat enough of it.
Opinicus - 08 Mar 2005 20:51 GMT
"Dan" <prograde49SPAMFREEMAIL@hotmail.com> wrote
.
> I've heard it said (and by at least two candy store
> operators) that women seem to prefer milk chocolate, while
> men tend more towards dark. A rule with exceptions, of
> course.  My wife prefers dark, as do I.  I think also it's
> a matter of what you're exposed to.  I see dark as more

This makes chocolate sound like "The Force". (There's a Dark
Side and a Light Side and it holds everything together.)

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Priscilla Ballou - 08 Mar 2005 21:35 GMT
> "Dan" <prograde49SPAMFREEMAIL@hotmail.com> wrote
> .
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> This makes chocolate sound like "The Force". (There's a Dark
> Side and a Light Side and it holds everything together.)

Yeah, well, what's your point?  ;-)

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Dan - 08 Mar 2005 22:21 GMT
Oh, I DEFINITELY lean towards the Dark Side ;-)

Dan

> "Dan" <prograde49SPAMFREEMAIL@hotmail.com> wrote
> .
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> This makes chocolate sound like "The Force". (There's a Dark Side and a
> Light Side and it holds everything together.)
Meghan Noecker - 09 Mar 2005 10:28 GMT
>I've heard it said (and by at least two candy store operators) that
>women seem to prefer milk chocolate, while men tend more towards dark.
>A rule with exceptions, of course.  My wife prefers dark, as do I.  I
>think also it's a matter of what you're exposed to.

I prefer dark. I will eat milk chocolate too, and I do like Hershey's
very much. But give me a good dark chocolate, and I will be very
happy.

There are some chocolates I do not like at all. Whitman's, Palmers,
etc. And I don't care for most candy bars or candies. I would much
rather eat a plain chocolate bar than a bar with other junk in it.
Just give me the chocolate :)

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Saffire - 09 Mar 2005 03:26 GMT
> Kidding aside, are there any scientific studies on chocolate
> "liking" (I won't say "addiction") and physiology/psychology
> etc? It's quite obvious, even from the few responses in this
> thread, that there's a big divide between people who "really
> like" chocolate and everybody else. (My own anecdotal
> experience is the same.)

Chocolate IS addictive.  I had gotten into the habit of making and
eating my own version of chocolate bars for several months now and made
myself go cold turkey a several days ago because I was eating more and
more of it and it was really affecting my calories (and carbs, but
mostly calories).  I had a nasty caffiene headache for 2 days (so I
added regular coffee to the mix, which I've now managed to get down to
1/2-caf--1/2 decaf.  

Last night I wanted something sweet, but not too much because I was
going to bed and I've been very good about resisting making up a new
batch of bars (I have a veritable stockpile of ingredients for it and
it's quick and easy to make).  Instead, I mixed 2 tbl of plain yogurt
with 1/2 tsp of dutch cocoa powder and some Sweetzfree liquid Splenda --
it was GREAT!  I'm going to have to experiment some more with THAT.  
I've been working on a box of Droste cocoa powder since last fall, but
my son gave me son premium dutch cocoa powder for Christmas -- I think
it's time to open it to see what it's like.

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Suze - 08 Mar 2005 19:23 GMT
Quoting Ignoramus2605 <ignoramus2605@NOSPAM.2605.invalid>:

>I happen to like chocolate. Lately, I have been eating unsweetened
>chocolate (from the baking secion of the store, 2 net carbs per ounce,
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>myself up for failure", is there some good reason not to eat that
>chocolate?

As long as you can continue to practice portion control, I don't see
why not.  I have a small bit of dark chocolate almost daily, and have
been doing so through 4+ years of maintenance.

If it ends up being a problem for you, ya know what to do...

>One of the reasons why I eat it is that I do not get enough
>sleep (due to having a certain project) and it keeps me up. Any
>thoughts?

Well, coffee has less calories.  But I don't think Paleo adherents
drink coffee (aren't you into that)?  Or tea, I suppose.
PJx - 09 Mar 2005 05:14 GMT
>I happen to like chocolate. Lately, I have been eating unsweetened
>chocolate (from the baking secion of the store, 2 net carbs per ounce,
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>sleep (due to having a certain project) and it keeps me up. Any
>thoughts?

Sam's makes a semi-sweet chocolate chip that is 39% chocolate and is
very good for those that can practice portion control.  I try to make
a 12 oz bag last about 30 days.    Hershey's makes a similar bag of
dark chocolate chips.

 I've been fortunate and not gained any weight doing this for a few
months, but be careful.

 
Rachael - 10 Mar 2005 21:18 GMT
A few easters ago, i was with a girlfrind of mine, and i stayed over it
happened to be easter.,

We both stuffed ourselves full of chocolate, we where only 17 at the time.
She swears that on  that night she heard me mumbling "mmmm Chocolate" Funny
huh!!  Apparently i went to sleep with half a toblerone in my mouth!!

Ha ha never again.. at this rate i dont think ill know what a cadbury black
tastes like again!! Ive forgotten !!!!!!!!

Love Rachael XXX

>I happen to like chocolate. Lately, I have been eating unsweetened
> chocolate (from the baking secion of the store, 2 net carbs per ounce,
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> sleep (due to having a certain project) and it keeps me up. Any
> thoughts?
Ignoramus21682 - 10 Mar 2005 21:22 GMT
> A few easters ago, i was with a girlfrind of mine, and i stayed over it
> happened to be easter.,
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Ha ha never again.. at this rate i dont think ill know what a cadbury black
> tastes like again!! Ive forgotten !!!!!!!!

I am extremely impressed. I do not think that I would be able to fall
asleep after eating a lot of chocolate. I eat my chocolate partly to
stay awake. :)

i
 
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