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avid - 12 Mar 2005 23:37 GMT
What a great group!!  So much dedication, intelligence, humor, and
humaneness all in one place!

I need to lose at least 40 pounds for my brother's wedding in July. I'd like
to lose 60 but I'm not sure that's possible.  I'm female, 5'4" and currently
weigh 220.  The docs have been after me for a year now to lose weight.
Funny that the wedding is a motivator.  I realize I need to practice healthy
eating habits.  I know what to do, I just haven't been motivated.  When I
was active and healthier, I had no problem eating the right portions and
healthy foods.  So I think I need a SIMPLE plan to jumpstart the weight
loss.  KISS for me.  I've purchased FitDay and have an elliptical downstairs
to use.  I'm a caretaker for an elderly parent (which causes a great deal of
stress), so time really isn't an issue.  Funds are limited so I can't go
join Weight Watchers or join a gym.  I know I can do this, I just need to
start somewhere.  Any feedback would be appreciated.  Thanks!

By the way, what are the abbreviations I see in posts ... WOE, WOL etc??
Thanks again.

Mel
Chris Braun - 13 Mar 2005 00:05 GMT
>What a great group!!  So much dedication, intelligence, humor, and
>humaneness all in one place!
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>
>Mel

Hi Mel, welcome to the group!  

First, the easy question: WOE = Way of Eating, and WOL = Way of Life.
People use these to acknowledge that the changes we make must be
permanent, not just a temporary diet to lose weight and then return to
our old habits.

It's great that you want to make this change, and that you have an
upcoming event to help you get started.  I think you need to not make
the wedding your sole focus, though, or the temptation will be to
revert back to your current lifestyle once it's over.  

I also think your objective of losing 40 pounds between now and then
may perhaps be a bit ambitious.  It may happen, but it may not.  But
remember that any loss will be a start on the road to a healthier and
prettier you :-).  Don't set yourself up to be disappointed if you
don't achieve that rate of loss.  Instead, start eating the right way
and exercising, and celebrate what you do accomplish.

The reason I'm saying this may be ambitious, by the way, is that the
recommended rate of loss to remain healthy is 1-2 pounds per week, and
it looks like you're aiming for a bit more.  And a rate of 2
pounds/week can be a lot for a woman, depending on what you're eating
now to maintain at 220.  Your age -- and I don't have any idea how old
you are -- can be a factor here; one's metabolism slows as one gets
older.  (I know about this; I'll be 57 next month :-) .)  

For the record, I never lost as much as 10 pounds in a month after my
first month of dieting, but in 23 months I lost over 120 pounds :-).
Slow and steady will get you there.

Chris
262/130s/130s
started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004
Ruzinthra the Ruki - 13 Mar 2005 02:06 GMT
<snip excellent post>
>For the record, I never lost as much as 10 pounds in a month after my
>first month of dieting, but in 23 months I lost over 120 pounds :-).
>Slow and steady will get you there.

great post, Chris!  thanks for sharing.  :)

david
Ignoramus14003 - 13 Mar 2005 02:43 GMT
> I also think your objective of losing 40 pounds between now and then
> may perhaps be a bit ambitious.  It may happen, but it may not.  But

I find it amusing that I said the same thing, almost in the same words
(after your post, but before seeing it).  

``40 lbs by july means losing about 12 lbs per month, which is a
little ambitious. You may be able to accomplish that, or you might
not.''

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avid - 15 Mar 2005 18:20 GMT
Thank you!!  "start eating the right way and exercising, and celebrate what
you do accomplish" is great advice.
Delenn - 13 Mar 2005 02:18 GMT
> What a great group!!  So much dedication, intelligence, humor, and
> humaneness all in one place!
>
> I need to lose at least 40 pounds for my brother's wedding in July. I'd like
> to lose 60 but I'm not sure that's possible.

Why wouldn't it be possible?  It's definitely possible.  All you have to
do is eat less, exercise more and keep repeating that.  I lost 80 pounds
over the past three years and I can tell you that change is absolutely
possible.  The catch is that you've got to change if you want to change.

> I'm female, 5'4" and currently
> weigh 220.  The docs have been after me for a year now to lose weight.
> Funny that the wedding is a motivator.  I realize I need to practice healthy
> eating habits.  I know what to do, I just haven't been motivated.

What you're saying is that you haven't decided to do it.  Until you
decide to do it this will remain an impossible goal.  You'll find excuse
after excuse why you can't do it.

After you decide to do it then you'll find challenge after challenge
you'll have to overcome, but each one can be overcome with some problem
solving and attention and energy.

> When I
> was active and healthier, I had no problem eating the right portions and
> healthy foods.  So I think I need a SIMPLE plan to jumpstart the weight
> loss.  KISS for me.  I've purchased FitDay and have an elliptical downstairs
> to use.  

You want simple?  Use your hand.  Eat portions no bigger than two
fistfuls each meal.  Eat frequently, and plan to get some lean protein
in every meal.

Drink water... lots of it.

And move your body for half an hour every day (to start with.)  Go for a
brisk walk, or use the elliptical trainer for two fifteen minute
sessions or three ten minute sessions or whatever it takes.  Sweat every
day.

> I'm a caretaker for an elderly parent (which causes a great deal of
> stress), so time really isn't an issue.  Funds are limited so I can't go
> join Weight Watchers or join a gym.  I know I can do this, I just need to
> start somewhere.  Any feedback would be appreciated.  Thanks!

Start with Mistress Krista:

http://www.stumptuous.com/weights.html

> By the way, what are the abbreviations I see in posts ... WOE, WOL etc??
> Thanks again.
>
> Mel

Mel, how old are you?  How long have you been overweight?  What's your
family situation?

Delenn
244/164/165
Chris Braun - 13 Mar 2005 14:07 GMT
>> I need to lose at least 40 pounds for my brother's wedding in July. I'd like
>> to lose 60 but I'm not sure that's possible.
>
>Why wouldn't it be possible?  It's definitely possible.  All you have to
>do is eat less, exercise more and keep repeating that.  

Well, I think the OP's point was that it might not be possible to lose
60 pounds by July -- not 60 pounds in her lifetime :-).  I would agree
with her that 60 pounds by July is probably unrealistic.

>I lost 80 pounds
>over the past three years and I can tell you that change is absolutely
>possible.  

Well yes, three years; she has 4 months.  As I said to her, she should
set her goal for the long haul, not just for the July wedding.

Chris
262/130s/130s
started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004
avid - 15 Mar 2005 18:24 GMT
Thanks for the feedback!  I am doing it, and have already started.  Portion
control is definitely part of the plan, thanks for the reinforcement.   I
like the way you phrased it, "move your body"!

Mel
eat less, move more
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Ignoramus14003 - 13 Mar 2005 02:41 GMT
Mel, you do not need to wait for some special mindset, motivation etc
to lose weight. All you need to do is eat less and exercise, even if
you do not feel like doing it. That's a part of being a responsible
adult, doing things that you know are right, even if you do not feel
like doing them. Do not wait until you get a holy revelation, start
now and then as you go, you just might get that revelation. And even
if you do not get that revelation but do the right things (eat less
and exercise) you will end up thin.

At 5'4" and 220 lbs, your fat is a hazard to yourself.

You do not need any money at all to lose weight, in fact, you can save
money by giving up expensive junk food and eating less overall. Part
of the savings may be needed to buy more shoes. Gyms and exercise
equipment are optional.

40 lbs by july means losing about 12 lbs per month, which is a little
ambitious. You may be able to accomplish that, or you might not.
Anyway, it is better to accomplish this partially and be 190, rather
than to be 220.

As for a simple plan, all you need is to know two words, "eat
less". Could not be simplier than that, really. You decide what you
will eat less of, whatever makes your life easiest to do without.

i

> What a great group!!  So much dedication, intelligence, humor, and
> humaneness all in one place!
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>
> Mel

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avid - 15 Mar 2005 18:26 GMT
Great!  Thank you!  The basic premise of eat less, and move more.  Repeat
often - lol.

Mel
eat less, move more
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rosie read n' post - 13 Mar 2005 15:45 GMT
dear mel,
besides learning to stop dieting, and just change my WOE  (way of
eating, for life) i found out that  my body was being effected in
many ways, due to my carb consumption.
take this test:
http://www.carbohydrateaddicts.com/caquiz.html

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rosie

: What a great group!!  So much dedication, intelligence, humor, and
: humaneness all in one place!
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:
: Mel
Chris Braun - 13 Mar 2005 16:28 GMT
>dear mel,
>besides learning to stop dieting, and just change my WOE  (way of
>eating, for life) i found out that  my body was being effected in
>many ways, due to my carb consumption.
>take this test:
>http://www.carbohydrateaddicts.com/caquiz.html

It seems to me that most or all of these questions would apply equally
to someone who is just addicted to eating in general.  At one time in
my life I would have answered "yes" to most of them, and I am
confident I have never been a carbohydrate addict.  I have seen this
quiz before, and assumed then -- as now -- that it is designed to sell
low-carb diet products.

Chris
262/130s/130s
started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004
rosie read n' post - 13 Mar 2005 16:35 GMT
dear chris,
every once in awhile, after i post this quiz, there are folks like
you, posting your very same reactions to it.

if you have found what works for you and are successful (which it
seems you are) TERRIFIC!

HOWEVER, there are those out there, like me, who were/are  groping
for an answer, until the drs. heller came along and spelled it out
for us!

(when i start with the CAD WOE years ago, the drs. heller were not
selling a thing, except educating us about the effect that sugars
have on some of our systems and what we could do about it.

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: >dear mel,
: >besides learning to stop dieting, and just change my WOE  (way of
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: 262/130s/130s
: started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004
Ignoramus3883 - 13 Mar 2005 16:39 GMT
> dear chris,
> every once in awhile, after i post this quiz, there are folks like
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> selling a thing, except educating us about the effect that sugars
> have on some of our systems and what we could do about it.

Rosie, how much weight you lost since you started your WOE?

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rosie read n' post - 13 Mar 2005 16:43 GMT
i went from what i now know and have acknowledged  was a size 18
jean, (7yrs ago)  to today's size 14.
i would like to be a size 12, but am satisfied with 14's.
i am 56yrs old and 5'10".
rosie
http://img28.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img28&image=rosie8hm.jpg

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: Rosie, how much weight you lost since you started your WOE?
Ignoramus3883 - 13 Mar 2005 16:50 GMT
> i went from what i now know and have acknowledged  was a size 18
> jean, (7yrs ago)  to today's size 14.
> i would like to be a size 12, but am satisfied with 14's.
> i am 56yrs old and 5'10".
> rosie
> http://img28.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img28&image=rosie8hm.jpg

That's a good change.

i

> "Ignoramus3883" <ignoramus3883@NOSPAM.3883.invalid> wrote in message
>:
>: Rosie, how much weight you lost since you started your WOE?

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avid - 15 Mar 2005 18:30 GMT
Thanks!
5 - 7 Your score indicates that you are moderately addicted to
carbohydrates. At times you may be able to control your eating but you may
find that stress, premenstrual changes, tiredness, boredom, unexpressed
anger or pressure may increase your carbohydrate cravings.

I knew this but still found the survey interesting.  Food, any kind of food,
is an issue for me whether it's carbs or fat!

Mel
eat less, move more
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reenum - 13 Mar 2005 15:57 GMT
Really, there is no way you can lose 40 lbs by July in a safe manner.
In my opinion, 15-20 lbs. is a more realistic goal.

Really, a large part of getting on a diet is the mental aspect. There
really is no easy way to do this. Sure, you could starve yourself, go
on a crash diet, or do something like that. But, all that'll do is land
you in the hospital.

But you need a plan so here it is:

1. Exercise at least 30 mins a day for 6 days a week. You can walk or
jog, which costs no money.
2. Cut your calorie intake down to 1200-1400 cals. This will also save
you money on food.
3. Try to make your lifestyle more active. Take the stairs instead of
the elevator. Park in the back of the lot when you go shippoing, etc.

It's a simple plan, but not easy to do by any means.
Ignoramus3883 - 13 Mar 2005 16:04 GMT
> Really, there is no way you can lose 40 lbs by July in a safe manner.
> In my opinion, 15-20 lbs. is a more realistic goal.

Um, I do not think that an absolute statement like this is
warranted. I lost 45 lbs in the same timeframe, starting at almost
exactly the weight that the OP is.

> Really, a large part of getting on a diet is the mental aspect. There
> really is no easy way to do this. Sure, you could starve yourself, go
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>
> It's a simple plan, but not easy to do by any means.

Very succinctly said.

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avid - 15 Mar 2005 18:32 GMT
Excellent advice - simple, do-able, maintainable!

Mel
eat less, move more
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Patricia  Heil - 13 Mar 2005 16:29 GMT
Your goal is unrealistic.  To reach it, you would have to do things you
could not keep on with and the weight would come back.  Don't expect to lose
more than 2 pounds a week, so at this point you will probably lose a maximum
of 30 pounds safely.  The important thing is start a new WOL so the pounds
don't come back later in the first place, and so that you can continue to
lose safely to your goal of 40 in the second place.

> What a great group!!  So much dedication, intelligence, humor, and
> humaneness all in one place!
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>
> Mel
 
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