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Weight Loss Forum / General Topics / March 2005An Open Letter to Christian Stella
QUOTE: [The "so famous"] CHRISTIAN STELLA [Of StellaStyle.com] IS WRITING A BOOK. It's about his life and how he lost 160 pounds, over half of his then-300 pound 15 year-old body weight. He has posted excerpts. It is very, very good. CHRISTIAN NEEDS YOUR HELP. Christian would like to finish it in the next month or so -- he's about half way done -- and needs our help. $200 IS THE GOAL. Christian thinks he needs about $200 or so to get to the finish line. He's asked readers/Forum members to consider donating to help him. "300 READERS/2 DONATIONS? About 300 people have downloaded his samples and two people have pledged a total of $40. (As a Forum member I find this embarrassing.) READ IT, SEE WHAT YOU THINK. In my opinion, Christian is a very talented and important writer, and I want to support him. There are over 600 people registered on this site. I'd like to encourage you to help, also. MY PLEDGE. Beginning right now, this moment, I will match the first 10 pledges of $20 posted on this site and funded through PayPal for Christian. This offer expires midnight, Tuesday, March 15." >From Christian Stella: Thursday, March 10, 2005 I've posted some of my weight loss book online here (link removed). Kind of an experiment I am running because I am flat broke and am tired of mooching off of my father and everyone else I know. End QUOTE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Cyberbegging is just so tacky. And soliciting cyber-sycophants are just more than I can take. I never would have thought that's what the StellaStyle.com web community was all about. As far as I am concerned, there is no reason why a healthy, able-bodied 20 year old man with a loving family and a home needs to panhandle $400 from strangers on the web. His reason "because I am flat broke and am tired of mooching off of my father and everyone else I know." So now he's finds it necessary to move on to strangers...? I've maintained a FREE web site full of free recipes, information, and resources for over 8 years. I never would consider cyber begging and I don't ask my guests to read ads & spam so I can "cover the costs of maintaining the website" like so many of my peers do these days. I give _freely_ back to this community because I got so much from this community and because every once in a while I get a "thank you" in my email box from someone who appreciated the recipes & information and was changing their life. Man, I know how tough that is for them to do. My reward is being a part of their change. I am grateful to have been able to help any one of them. I didn't stick a paypal link on my web site and say- "hey if you really are thankful you'll give me money". I leave that kind of parasitical lifestyle to leeches and TV Evangelists. > QUOTE: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > $200 IS THE GOAL. What a scam. Why the hell do you need money to finish a book? If he's halfway, he must already have a paper and pen, or a computer, so what the hell does he need? > Christian thinks he needs about $200 or so to get to the finish line. > He's asked readers/Forum members to consider donating to help him. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > About 300 people have downloaded his samples and two people have > pledged a total of $40. (As a Forum member I find this embarrassing.) I'd say that's stupid. The book will probably only cost $5. Also what do you get for this donation? For example, if I donated $50, I'd expect 25% of his gross profits. Am I buying a share in his book or what? Where is the money going? Why would I pay for someone else's profiteering? I could understand if it was for a good cause, but paying for someone to write a book? Thousands of people write books all the time and they don't need donations, this entire message has 'SCAM' written all over it. > MY PLEDGE. > > Beginning right now, this moment, I will match the first 10 pledges of > $20 posted on this site and funded through PayPal for Christian. This > offer expires midnight, Tuesday, March 15." So in other words you'd pay another $200 after the first $200 is raised. I thought you only needed $200? > >From Christian Stella: > Thursday, March 10, 2005 > I've posted some of my weight loss book online here (link removed). Link removed? How are we supposed to read these exceprts then? Here's the url to the "book" http://www.lowcarbchefs.com/ribcage/book.htm What's with the "The Skin I'm In or why I want to grab fat kids by their heads and shake them" chapter? Wow! Apparently the kid has a lot of anger down inside and I certainly don't think it's a healthy response for someone who has lost a lot of weight. On the low carb side, I'm glad that it's getting recognition like a low carb show but George Stella's show is virtually unwatchable and he definatily fudges the carb counts, makes things 10 servings 8 carbs each serving. That is way to high and unnecessary. 10 servings? Who the hell writes recipes for 10 servings in a diet book? > > >From Christian Stella: > > Thursday, March 10, 2005 > > I've posted some of my weight loss book online here (link removed). > > Link removed? How are we supposed to read these exceprts then? >Here's the url to the "book" > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >lot of anger down inside and I certainly don't think it's a healthy >response for someone who has lost a lot of weight. I think that author is an idiot who has lost his humanity or maybe never had any. He should be shaken and not stirred. LV - ------------------------------------------------------ I rode a tank and held a General's rank When the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank - - - - Rolling Stones - Sympathy for the Devil - ---------------------------------------- Today's mighty oak is yesterdays nut that held its ground. - - -unknown - ---------------------------------------- Yes, I have let myself go...Now I'm Free!!! - - - unknown - ---------------------------------------- > Here's the url to the "book" > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > of anger down inside and I certainly don't think it's a healthy > response for someone who has lost a lot of weight. How silly. Grab the parents. I left the Stella website when I saw the donation site go up. I'm not interested in taking on George Stella's children to raise. Voice of Reason writes: What a scam. Why the hell do you need money to finish a book? If he's halfway, he must already have a paper and pen, or a computer, so what the hell does he need? <end Food, cigarettes, playboys, beer, zit cream and rent money so he doesn't have to earn a living. Christian Stella better hurry and write that book while he still knows it all, lol. Typical child. What I find the most entertaining about Christian's book is that he confesses he's never even read Atkins, or any other book about low carb or nutrition. He isn't a medical doctor or dietician either but he wants to write a book to cash in on the low carb craze like daddy. I laugh when he tries to impress with his pseudo-sophomoric knowledge of low carb physiology. Believe me when I tell you there's no new knowledge or insights to be gained reading the book from what I've seen of it . In fact, Christian Stella didn't even lose all his weight Low Carb nor is he currently living a LC WOL. He'll tell you that himself. He said he had a several month stall on low carb after losing 70 lbs or so. He lost the last 80 lbs on low-calorie/low fat diet of 1500 cals and limited fats. His maintanence continues to focus on low fat foods and he eats mostly a vegetarian diet now or so he posted on his daddy's website. I applaud his accomplishment. His weight loss is awesome! He has his life ahead of him now as a thin human being! How wonderous and beautiful I am truly happy for him but I'm not going to pay for his dog and pony show. Have a great Low Carb Day! LOL The kid got it honest! His dad'll say anything if it gets a few bucks in his pocket. Which story about georgy is real? http://atkins.com/Archive/2002/4/15-552624.html >>George: I jumped in headfirst. For 18 months, I stuck to Induction and lost 200 pounds. Today, I am on Lifetime Maintenance, eating fewer than 100 grams of carbohydrates a day, but usually limiting myself to 30 grams. (snip). And soon, the story of our familys miraculous road to good health via the Atkins Nutritional ApproachTM will be broadcast to the nation.>>> Or http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/product-description/0743269977/ref=dp_proddesc_ 0/103-0699907-2321441?%5Fencoding=UTF8&n(3155 >>Copyright 2005 by George Stella, Inc. Product Description: George lost weight with Stella Style: "eating fresh foods, using low-carb ingredients to reinvent your old favorites, developing better eating habits, and, most of all -- eating food you love!" And he wasn't the only one: The entire Stella family shed more than 560 pounds. Once we started eating Stella Style we never looked back. As the pounds melted away, we decided to spread the word. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ So which one is the truth? While Atkins was paying him he did it Atkins style, lol all of a sudden he writes a book and they decide they did it Stella Style! And I am sorry but Stella's irresponsible approach to low carb is frightening! Listen to this advice: "Once you start eating low-carb, you'll quickly find out what works best for you. Everyone's different. My point is that you don't need to get all caught up with numbers when you eat Stella Style. In fact, when you eat low-carb Stella Style, you don't need to count carbs. Ever. If you follow the guidelines in this book and learn to make these recipes, you'll eat until you feel satisfied, without ever having to worry about how much food is on your plate." (Excerpts from George Stella's book are for Critique and Educational purposes only). Here is a man that has absolutely no regard for a sane scientific approach to weight loss. It's no wonder his son had to lose more than half his weight on a low calorie/low fat diet. Stella Style couldn't possibly work! I counted the carbs in one of his recipes- 80 carbs for 10 servings of vegetables literally swimmin in sugar-filled Balsamic Vinegar. No way could I eat that till I was full on expect not to gain weight eating Stella Style! Reference Balsamic Grilled Vegetables: http://www.foodnetwork.com/food/recipes/recipe/0,1977,FOOD_9936_26950,00.html He can't even give an accurate carb count. Balsamic vinegar has like 3x the carbs of regular vinegar. He must have used regular vinegar carb counts. Don't believe me? Do the count yourself! I swear this recipe is about 80 net carbs total! George says 60 net. And he has you cook up 10 servings at one time....? :shakes her head: These people are the most sleezy thing that ever happened to Low Carb! "He can't even give an accurate carb count. Balsamic vinegar has like 3x the carbs of regular vinegar. He must have used regular vinegar carb counts. Don't believe me? Do the count yourself! I swear this recipe is about 80 net carbs total! George says 60 net. And he has you cook up 10 servings at one time....? " It might be a little low, but to be fair, for a serving, his count is 6g, yours is 8g, which isn't a huge difference. I did a count myself, using the USDA database to check, and came up with 79g net. It's also not possible to do exactly, as every database has somewhat different numbers and there is no std definition of what a med zucchini or an eggplant is. As for the balsamic vinegar, about half of it is used as a marinade. Only a small portion of that will be absorbed in the vegs or not drip off during the grilling. Then he tosses the other half on the vegs before serving. A lot of that will flow to the bottom of the pan and unless you drink it, never be consumed. Balsamic vinegar isn't in the USDA database, so I used the label on a bottle I had, which is 3g per tablespoon and seems typical. To come up with the 79g carb count, I included a full 1/2 cup, which came to 24g. If even half of that doesn't get consumed, then his count is correct. So, I don't think the recipe is too far from accurate to be used as an example of a bad recipe. As for cooking 10 servings, that doesn't seem too unreasonable, after all he has a family of four and you can save half for leftovers and anyone can adjust it easily for whatever amount they want to make. . I did a count myself, using the USDA > database > to check, and came up with 79g net. I came up with 80 net carbs but george claims 60 net carbs. Some of it is a marinade but eggplant absorbs liquid like a sponge. For me, there's a large difference between 6 carb veggie and 8 carb veggie- especially if I plan to have 2 servings. Also, if you are eating 20 carbs a day and on induction for 18 months as Stella claimed- you can't be eating 2 servings of 8 carb veggies. That is nearly your whole days worth of carbs! (plus a blueberry muffin in the morn and a piece of cheesecake after dinner) If you want to see people stalled and gaining on a low carb diet- visit StellaStyle.com. One guy said he gained 20 lbs in a month eating "Stella Style". :: . :: [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] :: :: One guy said he gained 20 lbs in a month eating "Stella Style". That must have been pre-stella weight loss. Seriously, if you tune into a TV show and come away with the notion that LC is all about eating certain foods, rather than eating less overall, you'll certainly stall or gain. Barbtail is exactly right. George Stella purposefully tells you that you don't need to worry about counting carbs and portion control. Eat till your full, all his recipes are "low-carb" so no need to count. So I'm hungry and eat 4 servings of his "low carb" recipe, next thing you know I'm out of ketosis because I've sucked down 50g carbs doing it $tella $tyle. What a friggin' joke. > Also, if you are eating 20 carbs a day and on induction for 18 months > as Stella claimed- you can't be eating 2 servings of 8 carb veggies. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > One guy said he gained 20 lbs in a month eating "Stella Style". Telling people to until til they're full is folly. It means different things to different people. :: Barbtail is exactly right. George Stella purposefully tells you that :: you don't need to worry about counting carbs and portion control. Eat [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] ::: ::: One guy said he gained 20 lbs in a month eating "Stella Style". I think we'd all be better served if we ate until we're still hungry. I find that if I wait a little while, I'll get full. If I go just based on how I feel immediately after eating, I'll eat more. If I wait, many times I don't eat again. Also, I think you have to convince yourself that one sausage is just as good as two. > Telling people to until til they're full is folly. It means different > things [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > ::: > ::: One guy said he gained 20 lbs in a month eating "Stella Style".  SignatureBob in CT :: I think we'd all be better served if we ate until we're still :: hungry. I find that if I wait a little while, I'll get full. If I :: go just based on how I feel immediately after eating, I'll eat more. :: If I wait, many times I don't eat again. Also, I think you have to :: convince yourself that one sausage is just as good as two. How do you judge full? Do you mean the same thing by that word as I do when describing how I feel? Does full mean until you no longer can hold any more food or does it mean until you are no longer hungry? And if the latter, when if you ate so fast that you didn't read the signal in time? I think a way to do what you suggest is to simply eat more but frequent smaller meals any only eat when you're really hungry. That way, if you don't need food you can just skip the last small meal for a calorie savings. :: On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 13:23:02 -0500, Roger Zoul :: <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] :: -- :: Bob in CT Okay, I have been personally attacking running on four days now by the woman that started this thread. There is a difference between opinion and the means by which Terra has been attacking me all over the internet, including my own personal journal. She has accused me of not losing my weight on low carb which is absurd... I make it very clear that I lost eighty pounds on low carb and eighty pounds on low calorie /lower carb... meaning no white stuff, basically. She has attacked me for evading the IRS which is just ridiculous. She has resorted to just leaving strings of comments on my journal about how bad my book is. She has basically been terrorizing me for her own enjoyment. I state very clearly what my intentions are at my book page... but she still seems to think I'm doing something wrong. I'm not doing anything that Stephen King didn't do five years ago when he released chapters from his book The Plant online for free on a pay only if you like it basis. I am offering an ebook that nobody has to read if they don't want to, and nobody has to pay even if they read it. I just can't win. Somebody asked, what do you get for giving money? You get the writing... it's an ebook that's had nearly 2,000 reads so far... I thought that it would be nice if people gave a dollar, two dollars here and there, and I believe that that is what it's worth... but if you don't, that's fine... don't read it! My family is far from evangelists... I think we'd have to be rolling in money to be called that... I think some people have a skewed perception of show business... I know I did... I know now that I was wrong. I'm a normal kid that feeds his dogs and spends most of his time writing... I don't understand why I am painted as evil by people like Terra. Food Network sat me down one day and told me to never visit message boards and things of that nature because I would find all sorts of awful things that complete strangers will say, just because you were on television and people think they know who you are. I can say now... they were right. I meant, personally attacked, not attacking. First, boy do I hate the Google interface. Second, Terra didn't start the thread, I did, and I'm 100% man baby. Got a problem with that? Third, get f.cking over it already. So we think you're book sucks. Big deal. Are you that insecure that you can't take any criticism? Apparently you are. And how can anybod be shocked in 2005 that their public statements posted on the internet would be hammered, critiqued, flamed and trolled. Maybe in 1995, but that's a way of life on the net. The only reason I posted to the newsgroups is because you kept on deleted, editing and changing our posts whenever you didn't see what you didn't want to see. Deal with the criticism or pull the site...oh wait...you did. It's too bad. I was at first excited that FoodTV was going to do a low-carb show, but it ended up being totally unwatchable, based on a bad diet plan, $tella $tyle, that should come with a huge caveat emptor. Oh well, maybe Rachel Ray will take over for Georgie once they give him the ax. Hell, I'd even take Bobby Flay's Low-Carb Grill at this point. ...snip flame crap .. >Oh well, maybe Rachel Ray will take over for Georgie... Mmmm Rachel Ray. I never missed her shows when I had cable T.V. I heard about her book signing in San Jose, after the fact. Bummer! Oh and another thing. Only a major a.shole would start a thread about a diet book on the fat acceptance newsgroup. Ciao! Lee Rodgers YMMV,FWIW,IDGAS Retreat http://www.lowcarb.org 24hr LC-CHAT http://www.lowcarb.org/parachat.html > Okay, I have been personally attacking running on four days now by the > woman that started this thread. [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > television and people think they know who you are. I can say now... > they were right. > Okay, I have been personally attacking running on four days now by the > woman that started this thread. [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > television and people think they know who you are. I can say now... > they were right. cHRISTIAN WRITES "I have taken this page down. I have been submitted to several days of one singular person's personal attacks and harassment on forums, newsgroups, my personal journal and my email box. I simply want to move on with my life." You forgot to thank everyone for the free cash. What happened to the promise of another chapter! You said if your cashquota was met you'd do another chapter! FRAUD! hahaha AND WRITES THIS "Food Network sat me down one day and told me to never visit message boards and things of that nature because I would find all sorts of awful things that complete strangers will say, just because you were on television and people think they know who you are. I can say now... they were right. " I am pretty darn sure this warning included trying to panhandle off of daddy's fans. Let this be a lesson to you. GET A JOB, CHRISTIAN. OR GO BACK TO SCHOOL. STOP LOOKING FOR SHORTCUTS. Food Network Kitchens prepares every single recipe from any Food Network chef before it can air or be put on the food network website. Then...The resident Nutritionist breaks the recipes down using a USDA program and THEY come up with the nutritional value statements, including servings and carb counts, not the chefs. No matter what a chef submits, it is gone through with a fine tooth comb and it is a team effort of many proffessionals that have a hand in the final recipes used on air. thems the facts, jack.... ;) And your book-- who ghostwrote that? Its replete with nutritional mistakes At least you don't deny the counts are wrong! You just blame someone else. How typical of what I've come to know about the Stellas. If the Stellas can't handle the heat, they outta get out of the kitchen. Why are you here to flame the fire, George? > QUOTE: > [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > site and say- "hey if you really are thankful you'll give me money". I > leave that kind of parasitical lifestyle to leeches and TV Evangelists. I have chosen not to speak out about my experience with the Stellas until now. I am glad that others here are speaking their mind, as well. I left the Stella Community about 3 days ago and have been stalked & terrorized by Christian Stella since that day. I did NOT start this thread. I have not made most of the posts Christian blames me for. Yes I spoke out against his mooching off the Stella community in a post- which was deleted before the ink was dry so-to-speak, lol. But he seems to think I am the source of every comment he disagrees with. It weird, like reverse fan obsession- he won't leave me alone! He keeps writing me threatening letters and accuses me of making posts. I wrote George 3 days ago and told him I was leaving his website. We had a private email exchange and I left the board quietly. I'm trying to get on with my life and this guy is literally terrorizing me. I put a call into my lawyer this morning but he says there's not much that can be done really. I blocked his known email adresses for my box so I guess he thought he'd attack me here. I come thru AOL. I have a dymnamic AOL IP that can be shared by numerous people. You can read about it online- do a google search on Dynamic IP and AOL. Apparently someone else also has AOL and is making posts. He's convinced it's me even though I have explained numerous about the IPs. I even spent hours on the phone with AOL trying to work it out. But christian Stella is like a buldog and wont let go of my pants! HELP! Because his sons control the website I don't even know if my emails got through to him to be honest. Last night I received another threatening email out of the blue saying he'd "traced" my IP blah blah- had to be Christian. He's lying and he's paranoid. My story begins about 2 months ago. At first I was trilled to be there! There were lots of new people and energy there. I read and posted there for about a week when I got this letter in the email from Anthony "I just wanted to comment that you may be posting links a little too often around our site and community." He went on to say their policy was against self promotion and they had to restrict the amount of information shared. I was taken completely aback. I've been around the lowcarb community for over 7 years and have a small non-commercial website where I post my journal, recipes and links. I have always left my "link" as part of my signature on every board I have ever frequented. I also leave many other links to all kinds of resources for new people. Essentially what the guy was telling me was I was posting too much! I'm thinking what am I saying or doing wrong? But ok it was his call I posted less often and left my link half as much. Ya gotta understand there are lots of totally new people on Stella's site with numerous questions. The site is a dead end site- that is there are NO links to any other low carb websites to be found there. Not even a FAQ. The only links there take you to things about the stellas. George pops in there once in a while, as do the boys, but for the most part any support you get there comes from the other people. And support means sharing stories, information and, on the internet, it nearly always means sharing links. I was completely puzzled why the Stella's we're so threatened by the sharing of links! I think all of them are scared to death someone might steal their spotlight, to be perfectly honest. Anyway time went bye I visisted less and then, I went there one days and made maybe 10 posts. I didn't count how many links I left but I guess I went over the line because I got another letter! By this time my patience with the cult mentality being displayed by the Stellas & reflected in their community was wearing thin. The post by a fan and self-appointed head of the community soliciting donations for Christian Stella was simply more than I could take ( the one someone else posted here). I posted my disapproval and went to bed. (which was deleted immediately) . I guess others also posted theirs. When I woke up Christian had written me a flurry of accusatory letters with feeble rationalities for his decision to beg. I may or may not have made another post that day on the forum- but I stayed in the chat room and talked to a few people for a few hours then I wrote my letter to George saying I was leaving. And I left. Since then I have been getting periodic harrassment emails from Christian. His post below being the latest attack. This will be my only response to this thread. I refuse to play his game, myself. Life is too short. I could say more but frankly they aren't worth my time. If anyone wants copies of the emails- I saved them all just incase I decide to sue the Stellas for metal torture. LOL Brightest Blessings! Terranova Christian Stella, Leave her alone. I made some posts aout your skanky begging scheme, too. You also erased my posts. You don't seem to be handle the truth. You always delete it, don't you. Get a job and stop shaking the fat kid inside you. It's not his fault his side hurts when he runs. So sfbayman0 has nothing to do with you or your husband? You live in SF and your name on our board was Terranova0... not to mention you copied entire sentences out of posts that you have already admitted were you! I am ready to post the entire contents of my email box... just so people can know what has been going on. I wrote you two emails in the past three days and the first was in response to TEN comments you left on my personal journal in which you accused me of many horrible things. Then you came back with your nastiest words yet and I wrote you that second email. You wrote me again. Even worse. But I let it end there. I let you have the last word. We are exactly equal in emails... but then there's the posts, the comments on my journal... those are what started this in the first place! I am truly sad I deleted these comments... the whole string... including the one where you admitted that you were doing it because you were mad at us for not letting you post links on our site. I would have never sent you an email and accused you of anything if you hadn't proven who you were by saying that! Why would I ever bother to harass you? What would I get out of that. I've been trying to defend myself from you for days. You say generic IP address this and that... but you don't deny posting the posts... and yes there was ONE post that was not you... but that was it... the other ones were all the same IP address and dsl provider... and same punctuation even! I am done here though... I refuse to play your game anymore. No matter what, one of us looks like a liar and both of us know the truth and I am most fine with that. WRONG Christian. I wrote some posts there, too. Lots of people did. There was a lively discussion there till you started deleting and editing people's post to say other stuff. Finally you deleted the entire thread. She already admitted she did make a post against your scam. So she hates that you cyber-beg..... I do too What is your point? "Why would I ever bother to harass you[Terra]? What would I get out of that." Apparently you get something out of it. Look at your Blog- it's full of harrassing comments meant to antagonize Terra. You frikking people are obessed with her. Why don't you move on. How about addresing some of the issues of concern. Why are you begging for money? Why is George trying to pass off that he lost weight Stella Style when Atkins nutritionals clearly has him losing weight on Atkins? You people would rather attack Terra than answer, we know. PATHETIC. I have but one thing to say to you. Your a sad sad person. I find it hard to believe he would actually stalk someone. I've met Christian, and he is one of the nicest person I've met in a long time. Why would he send you these emails? Because you left his father's site? OOHHHH that's a reason to get angry! God what a loser. But oh well, I still support Christian in his book, and have chosen not to believe you. But hey, thats my opinion. Here come the fans! LOL Yes, we know you support him and that's cool. It's a free country- you have that right. God bless America. Why is half of Christian's blog devoted to insulting Terra? Why did Christian delete and or edit all the posts that disagreed with him? Funny. Once again the $tella thread was going to die quietly while a side thread about when full is full, but they had to jump right in and flame the fire. Too bad he took the book down. The Prologue was a riot. Christian has zero sense of humility and the arrogance in his observations during his The View appearance are downright hilarious. When the shows producers start talking about "greeking" the products to cover the labels, Christians response was "I don't want to get involved, so I wander off". Classic! Or when he "meets" Uma Thurman but doesn't say anything to her because saying that she totally kicked a.s in Kill Bill would negate his own "new found fame", since big stars don't gush all over each other. I have to wonder if he's kidding, like it's some sort of parody or if he actually believes that he's gonna pull a Kelly & Jack Osbourne or something. But then again, why would he volunteer to get involved, being a big ol famous star and all. barbt...@aol.com wrote: > Here come the fans! LOL > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Why is half of Christian's blog devoted to insulting Terra? Why did > Christian delete and or edit all the posts that disagreed with him? This is old.. you people like to live on this drama so I'm out of here. And quick question, are you talking about his personal blog? Because I don't see over a year (which would be half of his blog) insluting Terra. I actually didn't see anything insulting her in the least bit in it. Never have. Well, you should go there and read it- its hilarious. As far as Christian is concerned everyone that has posted here is Terra! If you said something that could possibly be constrewed as "bad" about Christian- he's lumped you into the "Terra" personality! It's funnier than heck! http://connecticulture.blogspot.com/ Read the comments - they quote The Voice Of Reason, too! I tell you these people are paranoid and fixated! SFbayman writes: But then again, why would he volunteer to get involved, being a big ol famous star and all. .... That would be like....... work..... ewwwwww! I thought the same thing when I read that. I'm not sure I've ever read anything quite as arrogant. It had to be parody. You wanted feedback, Christian, you are getting honest feedback. I'm sorry it doesn't come with a $20 dollar bill but believe me: it's priceless. My only questions are - What the heck is this? What does it have to do with this newsgroup? I'm not familiar with the names of anybody posting on the topic or even the topic. Is this supposed to be some new weight loss book, or some discussion group? Are we supposed to know what this is about? It seems like an odd discussion to suddenly start on this group. If this is a weight loss book, perhaps we can actually discuss the merits of the program? If it is going to be on this newsgroup, can we at least try to make it ontopic and/or useful to the members of this group? -- Meghan & the Zoo Crew Equine and Pet Photography http://www.zoocrewphoto.com Hello , my name is George Stella, host of Low Carb and Lovin It on Food Network. All I can say, is that almost every post in this thread comes from a very mean spirited individual who has been cyber stalking my children and family for the last few days. The pasted text above for instance was written by fans and not us, and is out of context as are almost all of the comments posted. And all the posts, except Christians and mine and 1 other are from this one single person. She has made posts over and over like this thru the net, on our personal website and in personal emails to my entire family. Terranova0 or Terra as this person calls herself, has forced me to file legal papers over concerns for the safety of our family. Those of you that know me, including my youngest son Christian who frequently appearrs with me on my show, know that we are being purposely attacked and viciously too. I for the life of me, cannot understand how an adult could act like this and it really hurts to see the out of context and made up posts that are aimed at hurting my family. Christian once weighed 305 lbs at 15 years old, and has devoted his life to helping others now that he has lost 165 lbs and gotten healthy. We have been there, destitute and in bad health for years, and we do nothing but give back every day, by sharing our story in hopes to motivate others and let them know that there is hope for even the morbidly obese as we were. Well, I just wanted everyone to know, that the message boards Terra is trashing, including this one, by using all the aliases and "creating' coversations and falsehoods amongst..well...."herselves?"(many personalities) are done for hurtful purposes only she can ever understand or know why she is doing it. For me, it is against my family and anyone out there with a family can understand that it is the lowest of lows to do such a thing, especially when it is all being fabricated by cut and pasting of out of context statements and using false ID's online. I really wish she would stop as it has scared my wife to the point of crying and has forced me now to involve the authorites, so I hope she reads this soon. These boards are meant to help others and I for one apologize for the actions of a total stranger, but I thought you should know the truth and I certainly wish everyone all the best and successes in the world! And ...Keep On Low Carbin'! George Stella I am Terra's friend. I am not an alias. You are totally paranoid people that simply cannot handle criticism whatsoever. Your son threatened my best friend- several times. I've read the emails from Christian. A family of Stellas making her life miserable. Terra has family and friends, too, and we're here beside her and we agree what you and your son are trying to pull should be exposed! By making these false statements you are entering into slanderous territory, George. If you really talked to your lawyer he would have given you the same advice Terra got which was not to antagonize the situation. Go away. Can't you people leave her alone? She has a right to ctitique your book. She has a right to post in this newsgroup. We all do. . She has a right to feel offended when your website starts soliciting funds from its visitors to support your children. You people need to toughen up and accept not everyone will fall at your feet swooning at your greatness & throw money at you.. No Lawyer would suggest you come to this newsgroup to harrass her and accuse her of bullshit. You're a liar as far as I can tell, George, trying to throw your celebrity around here like someone gave a sh.t.. Now go back to your small pond of psycophants and leave Terra alone. . Furthermore, George ALL 3 of us are happy to meet on a conference call with your lawyer and Terra's lawyer if that's what it takes to get you people off her back. Here is one of the emails Terra forwarded to me from Christian along with her response. I was the one that made the comments and he sends her this threatening email: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ FORWARDED EMAIL: In a message dated 3/14/2005 2:40:17 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, qquegchristian@gmail.com writes: If you want to play this game, I can play this game... but boy do you have an awful lot of places I can leave comments on YOUR site. -Christian Stella Is this some kinda threat? Jeezez. Grow up- get a freaking job, Hun. Join the damn Army or something, will ya!? Your country needs you- someone needs you. But leave me be please! Terra ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ineresting that on March 16th he's still harrassing her and has devoted half of his Blog to insulting her. BTW is this really George or one of his kids playacting to be george? Or is this rick perhaps? George and Rick share same IP#s- they must be one and the same person! Actually bub (...or should I say...Rick?), I'm Terra's husband. What is wrong with you people? The $tellas can not deal with any criticism whatsoever. It must be one person! That's the ticket! Because apparently NO ONE should ever, or has, criticize the $tellas. All Chri$tian et al had to do was take our comments in the chin about cyberbegging and let the thread move on. His psychophants would have defended him, and his page would still be up with the donation link for his "book". But noooooooooooooooo, at even at the mildest suggestion of bad taste your punk kid starts banning IPs and pulling posts and editing Terra's posts so they were much harsher than they were. It's amazing. I've been ragging on Bobby Flay for years and I don't see him running around screaming and crying how they'll get their laywers on us. >;-) > Hello , my name is George Stella, host of Low Carb and Lovin It on Food > Network. [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > And ...Keep On Low Carbin'! > George Stella SFbayman writes: t's amazing. I've been ragging on Bobby Flay for years and I don't see him running around screaming and crying how they'll get their laywers on us. >;-) " LOL! Bobbly Flay never looked so good! Look, Barb, SfBay, & others please just let this die. I appreciate you guys sticking up for me. The Stellas have serious issues and it's best just to let them move on. SF bay has already admitted he's my husband, and "Barb" is my firend. We all admit we wrote posts in disapproval of Christian's scheme. Who the f.ck cares, George. Deal with it. Stop playing victim one the one hand and attack dog on the other. I don;t know what kind of bullshit legal papers you filed but it's 100% bet they would have told you not to come here and provoke further contact. AM I hurt? Hell yes. And I'm pretty damn mad too. Your son's blog and your statements here are an outrageous attack on me. You'll be hearing from my lawyer if your son doesn't take the website down and you retract your libelous accusations. I am begging now- beggin you people to get off my a.s and please, please, please leave me alone. Thanks. Terra Peace be to you, George. Actually, I'm allowed to say anything I want on my blog and stand behind what I've written. I would stand behind it all the way through legal action. It was only the truth. Whether these three people include your husband and your friend, I don't care. That's what they invented real life for, having conversations. If you hate my guts and want to talk to your friend, your husband about it... invite them both over for dinner. Together, you guys are one unit that is being judged as so. The same way my entire family is judged as so. The same way you judged me every step of the way because of who my father is. You think that the son of George Stella is doing something wrong... but I am first and foremost a WRITER, and what I had done was very common among writers. I'm sorry, Terra but I got to respond to this. Christian; You feel you are allowed to say anything you want on your blog but you and your father refuse to allow anyone else that privilege. We did discuss it over dinner, btw and thought we'd post our feelings online, so we did. You are printing lies on your blog when you blame everything on Terra. She has said the very least against you. SFman and I are the ones who have made the most biting remarks yet you and your father completely blame her. Why? Other people have also come out but you still focus only on her. Why? None of us are hiding. We all wrote to FoodNetwork and WHOA (www.haltabuse.org) about this incident and used our real names, addresses and phone numbers. No doubt this angers your father immensely. I sincerely wish you and your dad would at least come to terms with the fact that this is not all Terra. Maybe this incident has your mother crying, and I certainly feel bad for her although no one has even mentioned your mother through this entire situation (except your father). Have you or your family ANY compassion for how Terra must feel with George's comments that she is having conversations with "herselfs" and is mentally unstable? That's a flat out lie and it is causing her much emotional distress. It is libelous, as well. Let's get the scale out here: On one side we have Terra who publically says she objects to your "fundraising plan" regarding it as a scam. Several other poeple publically agree. Also she writes that she feels "stalked" because you and your father are singling her out. And on the other we have George Stella TV Chef accusing Terra of being schizophrenic, babbling to herself in every voice that ever raised criticism against him or his son and somehow so potentially threatening to his family that he has to 'sign legal papers" and report her to "authorities". Why? Because she was brave enough to speak out against what she felt was improper? Don't you think that is overreacting to an internet post just a little too much? We don't even know what state you people live in while you have our home adresses and phone numbers... who should be in fear of their wellbeing? Christian, I am certainly not prejudging you or your father. I was thrilled to "meet" you and your father online and had a positive feelings for you at the beginning. Terra was the one who told me about your boards so she certainly had nothing against you. It was your own actions and words that changed our opinions of you both. We all searched google to find all these writers with donation sites like yours and couldn't find any that did it quite you did. The method you used to solicit donations was not at all what is described on the link about Stephen King's Ebook either. There are, of course, tons of sites that request donations to pay for bandwidth, etc., but the only sites that requested money because they were "flat broke and am tired of mooching off of my father and everyone else I know" were cyber-begging sites. I'm sorry to sound so tart but as a writer you should realize the power of the written word to evoke imagery and provoke emotion. "I'm flat broke and am tired of mooching off of my father and everyone else I know so please send cash" doesn't exactly offer your best profile to the public. It was an open invitation for rebuttal and several of us took it. Maybe if you can accept some responsibility for this debacle, an amicable resolution might be at hand. Think about it. > Actually, I'm allowed to say anything I want on my blog and stand > behind what I've written. I would stand behind it all the way through [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > wrong... but I am first and foremost a WRITER, and what I had done was > very common among writers. He won't think about it but I have. I've been crying over this stupid thing too long. Who cares what George thinks about me. All that matters is what _I_ think of me! If he thinks I am every Joan, Betty and Harriet, so be it. He and his son love the power they think they have over me. Well guess what! I am not gonna shut myself in again over the likes of a couple of low-life 15min famermongers! George Stella couldn't file a legal paper on me if he paid 1 mil bucks because there is NOTHING I have done wrong and I know that. He and his son are trying to make me feel wrong because I dared to disagree with them in public and spoke out against their sleezy acts. Like the lady at haltabuse.org said "even if you could prove that you weren't responsible for the other posts, putting the public blame on one person (you) makes it appear that everyone else is supportive of them [them =George & Christian Stella]." After a lengthy chat with the WHOA people in emails, and my accepting Christians refusal to remove his comments from his blog ( http://connecticulture.blogspot.com/ )I have decide to make Lemon Meregue Pie (low-carb of course) out of this bag -o- sour- Lemons! I've decided to make a Parody site and this month's featured roast are the STELLAs! I am proud of what I have done! And I plan to expose even more BS! Get ready for my chorus of kooky comedy! Welcome to http://foolnetwork.blogspot.com/ Because laughter is the best recipe for happiness! May the FARCE be with you! Terra http://foolnetwork.blogspot.com/ A mature person would simply let all this drop. In news:1111129620.622377.5860@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com, Terra <Terranova0@aol.com> stated | He won't think about it but I have. I've been crying over this | stupid thing too long. Who cares what George thinks about me. All [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] | Terra | http://foolnetwork.blogspot.com/ George Stella is a total scammer/spammer. His first appearance on the ASDLC newsgroup in 2000 was to spam his Cheese Cake for sale. Many on this group at that time took him to task for it. (find out more at www.foolnetwork.blogspot.com ) Read the first chapter of his book at Amazon.com- He suggests that you DON'T NEED TO COUNT CARBS (although he since has backed off that erroneous advice-probably because you can't be on low carb and NOT expect to count carbs) and on top of that he FUDGES the carb counts. They were calling Stella on his erroneous carb counts going back to 2000. How don't know how you people all do low carb here, but giving false counts and handing out bad advice as a diet plan is NOT COOL in my book and should be called on it. Whether you like Stella or not or what his kid is up to, his diet book should be approached with a huge caveat emptor. > A mature person would simply let all this drop. > A mature person would simply let all this drop. I have never met this perfectly mature person- have you? Lots of things 'mature' people won't do, as well -- like make snide comments about what a mature person would do. Sadly, George just simply refuses to budge from his position- at least that I have seen. But hey none of us are perfect. Christian finally complied and removed the offending posts on his blog, so we have also edited our site. Now because of that small good faith gesture on the part of Christian, I am gonna let the rest drop. Thank for your observations. Peace! Terra I am glad that this is at an end. But if anyone has any discrepency with a carb count in the book, you should address that to the publisher, because they have a team of editors that calculated them and then checked and double-checked. The Food Network has it's own team for the show... we wouldn't be allowed to write our own carb counts if we wanted to. They take them just as seriously as you do. Maybe you're using a different nutritional index as them? I'm pretty sure they use the FDA's. Thanks for popping in at ASDLC. Sorry to hear about your cyberstalker, but given the scope of your contact with the public, it should not be surprising. Some of us have wondered if you have had some regain. 95% of people do, eventually. Cubit 311/184.9/165 > Hello , my name is George Stella, host of Low Carb and Lovin It on Food > Network. as a ASDLC poster- I'm glad to see you guys posting to this group, and would like to see your constructive posts. Many of our menu ideas might be improved with some expertise. there are many creative ideas in this group- Diane > Thanks for popping in at ASDLC. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> Hello , my name is George Stella, host of Low Carb and Lovin It on Food >> Network. good god- disagreeing with someone in a public forum where their sons can't delete and edit posts to say what they want to hear does not constitute "cyberstalking". George has no case, no cause and no reason to file any legal papers- he is a LIAR and is just throwing his celebrity around here to try and impress you. It's fairly pathetic. But then here is a guy that insisted his cheesecake only had 2 carbs in it and to prove that he lost 200 lbs.. I mean really-- his ability to reason logically is essentially non-existent. I am not the only one to have such awful experience with him! WHat he says publically and what he does privately are 2 entirely different matters. People need to use their brain- if what he said is true I'd be in jail already or at the very least a ceast and desist order would have been issued-- but I am not breaking any laws. Posting to a newsgroup is not "stalking". He flat out LIES when he says he has "harassing" emails and other "posts" from me. Furthermore, I don't even know (nor do I care to know) where he lives. Here's another woman who can testify to George's sleezy approach to people that disagree with him: http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.support.diet.low-carb/messages/59cbd3cbd 796df6d,aaec84a94b951999,0fe195671fd78d51,a4f455be87ee140e,749e6beb4cc1ceb8,420b 17aefb240efe,2bc664f7990ed303,ca520ef6a3434223,d41429ba366d9cc2,95215a7c4157a51d ?thread_id=bb8d2dcb01f5c660&mode=thread&noheader=1&q=#doc_2bc664f7990ed303 Newsgroups: alt.support.diet.low-carb From: "Carmen"- Find messages by this author Date: 2000/11/23 Subject: Re: OT: Our Behavior Beth, I sent him a politely worded question on where the unaccounted for 100 or so calories come from. Instead of answering the question, something he has yet to do, he attacked me personally, using such charming phrases as "count snot" and "I hope you rot". He also suggested that if I knew what *he* knows that I wouldn't be overweight. (Although I've reached goal and then some.) He's substantially more vicious in private than public communications, and he hasn't apologized for the private behavior - perhaps because he knows that ticking off one potential customer doesn't matter, only a large group of potential customers. I'm as forgiving as most, but there has to be *some* attempt to change the objectionable behavior. He's only done that when he's had an audience to play to. Just so you know some of the reasons he's persona non grata. Take care, Carmen ```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` Be well, and try to be fair. Terra > Thanks for popping in at ASDLC. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Hello , my name is George Stella, host of Low Carb and Lovin It on Food > > Network. Terra, I would like you to note that my father deleted all of his posts from this newsgroup yesterday. I'm going to go delete all of my other posts now... I don't know what else we can do. This post will be deleted later tonight. >Terra, I would like you to note that my father deleted all of his posts >from this newsgroup yesterday. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >This post will be deleted later tonight. It' snot so easy to delete posts. Once it goes it, it goes to different sevrvers. For example, I downloaded this post at 12:30 am Sunday morning. I'm sure that was after the time you intended to delete it. Awhile back, I tried to delete a post when I had something for sale, posted a link for photos, and then realized I had misplaced my digital camera. I figured I would delete the post until I could do the photos. Google said the post was delete, but I had a response the next day informing me that the photos were not there. And once it was replied to, it was stuck there as well as quoted in another post. -- Meghan & the Zoo Crew Equine and Pet Photography http://www.zoocrewphoto.com Terra, I would like you to note that my father deleted all of his posts from this newsgroup yesterday. I'm going to go delete all of my other posts now... I don't know what else we can do. I am asking you to please remove the messages that link to my private journal, for I do not wish to share that journal with everyone on these newsgroups... it does not pertain to weight loss and it does not belong here. This post will be deleted later tonight. Christian I do see that now and offer my apology. I will also request my posts- in fact, this whole thread, be removed. Thanks and again, peace be with you. > Terra, I would like you to note that my father deleted all of his posts > from this newsgroup yesterday. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > This post will be deleted later tonight. Mine & Barbs Posts deleted. I'll ask SF bay to delete his. Not much can be done about archived posts on other sites but they do eventually fall off the track as they are replaced by newer posts. Be Well, Terra . |
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