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Heidi - 16 Mar 2005 01:49 GMT
So, I'm almost 5 months into my new lifestyle--lost 40lbs, still no smoking,
and I feel great! I've started something recently, and now I'm really
wondering if it's the right time:  lifting weights.

Here's some facts, in no particular order:

1. I now weigh 222lbs at 5'7" and I'm 40yo.  I would like to get to 160 and
then see how I feel about more weight loss from there. I started, 10/04 at
262lbs.

2. I have a nice set of free-weights here at home, and a good bench.

3. I exercise aerobically 5 times a week, 20 - 40 mins. I do this in the
morning when I have the best energy for it. I find it much, much harder to
motivate in the afternoon. I have to lift weights in the PM due to time
and...other stuff.

4. I have big muscles, for a girl. ;)  Seriously, I'm pretty sure I'm an
"easy gainer" when it comes to building muscle. Just with barn/horse work,
my biceps are bigger than a lot of the guys I know.

5. When I started in 10/04, I told myself I'd get to 200lbs and THEN start
lifting.  However, a friend moved to Canada and I got this nice set, cheap.
It sits there and calls to me.

6. I am motivated more by the scale moving than by my clothes fitting
differently. Just the way it is, and I am okay with that.  Muscle weighs
more than fat. The 3 weeks of lifting has changed the rate of weight loss,
though my body is changing. In other words, I know it's doing me good, but
it's not helping me to... well, stay at the high end of motivated, which I
still seem to need when it comes to changing all the old, addicted,
compulsive habits.

7. In terms of food my philosophy is "all things in moderation. some things
must be more moderated than others."  There's nothing on my "can't have
that" list.  I work hard to have 3 meals and 2 snacks each day, keep it low
fat, varied, lots of veggies/fruits, little to zero "white stuff."  I aim
for 1200-1500 calories a day. I have a hard time getting much protein into
my diet.  Fitday shows that  I average about 65g of protein each day.

8. I find I really have to fight with my head to get myself to DOING it
(lifting), and then it's...okay.  I've been lifting 3x a week. I'm following
the "beginner weight lifting" program as outlined in the book Getting
Stronger by Bill Pearl. Lifting as a workout sounds great, until its time to
actually time to start doing it.

Soooo...I know lots of you folks are into all kinds of fitness and I thought
perhaps some of you might have some advice.  I'm still a heavy lady. In the
long run, I want to be very fit.  I think there's an athlete inside me,
actually--someone who loves marathon bike rides, handball tournaments, and
has a green belt in Aikido (she's in here, really!).  Eventually, I KNOW I
want to lift weights! I like to be strong, I like to look good, I like
muscles. :)  I just don't know if, at 222lbs, it's such a great idea when at
times I find myself still... well, at times I'm very aware that my old
WOL/WOE is not so far away from me. It's kind of scary and I don't want to
over do it so that I lapse big time.

So..what have some of YOU done in terms of timing for the addition of
fitness activities, in particular, for weight lifting?

Heidi
262/222/221
Losing 100lbs.  1 lb. at a time.
Start 10/24/04
Ignoramus24806 - 16 Mar 2005 03:07 GMT
Lifting weights will not hurt you, but at your current weight and
height, even aerobic exercise amounts to serious weight lifting. If
you already do that barn work etc, then, in my opinion, lifting
dumbbells won't make much difference. As you keep losing, the
importance of lifting increases.

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Chris Braun - 16 Mar 2005 03:35 GMT
Just a quickie answer, as I'm tired.  I started at just your starting
weight, 262 lbs.  I had a lot of muscle too.  I was already a
competing weight lifter -- in fact was the state bench press champion
in my age group.  I lifted -- heavy -- before, during, and after my
weight loss, 4 to 5 times a week -- still do.  It didn't keep the
scale from changing, obviously.  I think it helped me lose weight.  I
know it made me look better than I would have otherwise, and I think
was a factor in minimizing loose flesh.

Just so you know, whether or not you lift you will lose some muscle
along with the fat.  Lifting helps shift the balance more towards fat
loss.  But I clearly don't have as much muscle as I did when I weighed
130 lbs. more.

Chris
262/130s/130s
started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004
SnugBear - 16 Mar 2005 04:02 GMT
> So, I'm almost 5 months into my new lifestyle--lost 40lbs, still no
> smoking, and I feel great! I've started something recently, and now
> I'm really wondering if it's the right time:  lifting weights.
>
> Here's some facts, in no particular order:

Oy - you need Chris & Delenn to give you all the good info but I can tell
you a couple things.  Muscle does not *weigh more* than fat, and it
doesn't take up as much space on your body.  

I wish I had started lifting earlier in my weightloss journey.  The only
thing that kept me from losing all my muscle is that I walked like a
fiend that year.  I'm a lot shorter than you but I like my muscles.

I understand about wanting to see that scale move down.  Eat right and it
will.  Lift weights and look great. Win - Win <s>

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Laurie in Maine
207/115  
Start: 2/02  Maintained since 2/03

Rachael Reynolds - 17 Mar 2005 01:08 GMT
>> So, I'm almost 5 months into my new lifestyle--lost 40lbs, still no
>> smoking, and I feel great! I've started something recently, and now
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> I understand about wanting to see that scale move down.  Eat right and it
> will.  Lift weights and look great. Win - Win <s>

I'm 5'2".  Do you think there is a natural limit to what you can lift?  In
theory shorter people should have a small mechanical advantage but I
wondered if  because there is an overall limit to the length of your main
muscles there is also a sort of natural point where you won't improve?
Thanks
Rachael
176/120/119-124
SnugBear - 17 Mar 2005 03:25 GMT
> I'm 5'2".  Do you think there is a natural limit to what you can lift?
>  In theory shorter people should have a small mechanical advantage but
> I wondered if  because there is an overall limit to the length of your
> main muscles there is also a sort of natural point where you won't
> improve?

That must be true, but I'm nowhere near that point yet.  Chris can't lift
as much now as when she was heavier either.

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207/115  
Start: 2/02  Maintained since 2/03

Chris Braun - 17 Mar 2005 03:38 GMT
>I'm 5'2".  Do you think there is a natural limit to what you can lift?  In
>theory shorter people should have a small mechanical advantage but I
>wondered if  because there is an overall limit to the length of your main
>muscles there is also a sort of natural point where you won't improve?

Everyone is going to run into a natural limit at some point.  No
matter how long and how assiduously I train, I will never bench 500
pounds.  I seriously doubt I will ever bench 200, though I did it once
or twice when I weighed 130 lbs. more than I do now.  At some point, I
don't expect to keep making even modest improvements, as age will
catch up with me.  The weightlifing records go down as the age classes
go up.

There are a whole lot of factors that influence this more than height.
Some people are able to build much more muscle than others,  Muscle
length isn't the main determinant of this.   There are a bunch of
genetic factors that influence the ability to develop strength.
Gender is a huge factor, and age is also significant.  A larger-boned
person can typically develop bigger muscles than a smaller-boned
person.  

Shorter people have a mechanical advantage in some types of lifts but
not much in others.  In many cases it's offset by the smaller frame
size that often accompanies shorter stature.

Chris
262/130s/130s
started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004
Tom - 19 Mar 2005 03:55 GMT
You eventually HAVE to do some resistance training to help you lose the
weight. Muscle may weigh more, but it also burns more calories.
Low weights, high reps... nothing crazy, but consistent.
Tom - 19 Mar 2005 03:55 GMT
You eventually HAVE to do some resistance training to help you lose the
weight. Muscle may weigh more, but it also burns more calories.
Low weights, high reps... nothing crazy, but consistent.
BCJ - 16 Mar 2005 04:41 GMT
>Lifting as a workout sounds great, until its time to actually time to start
>doing it.

I had the same problem. Lifting is very intense and I always hated to do it,
but I found two things that were a help to me and might be a help to you.

1. If you're a beginner and starting on a new program, use the lightest
weight possible. Don't even use the weights yet, just the bar. It will feel
ridiculously easy but you'll be learning how to lift the bar correctly. Then
after a few weeks add on the smallest amount of weight possible. Do that for
a week or two, and then keep adding only the smallest amount, when you feel
ready. It will get you into the habit of doing it regularly.

2. Do shorter sessions. I used to dread facing 1 hour+ of intense lifting.
How about doing 15 or 20 mins, lifting on more days. When you know you can
be back in front of the TV relaxing with a drink in 15 minutes it's not such
a hard thing to face.

Good luck.
Kasey - 16 Mar 2005 05:01 GMT
Heidi, I am about your size (I'm 5'8" and weigh 213). I'm older
at age 52. I've been doing a lot of cardio work for about a year (see
post about how  I like exercise). I was not able to do much exercise
until I had lost about 80 pounds, so I would say if you feel you're
ready, then start lifting. Just start slowly.

I wanted to start weightlifting when I had lost 100 pounds, which was
in May. But I had surgery on my wrist the month before and the surgeon
said to wait six months. I started weightlifting in October.

But last month, an old shoulder injury started hurting again, so I've
stopped.

So be careful.

As always, YMMV.

Kasey
365/213/190
 
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