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Cat - 10 Nov 2003 02:48 GMT
Just wondering what some of your benchmarks have been (as in feedback from
others).

I reached a point where, suddenly, everyone in my social group started
noticing I'd lost weight. The funny thing was, it happened on one particular
day. That day, at least 30 people (I'm not exaggerating) came up to me at
Church and were raving about how much weight I'd lost. Maybe it was
something I wore...who knows?

Another one has been happening lately where people are now starting to take
an interest in my (nonexistent) love-life. They are trying to find a husband
for me. HELP! One woman told me now that I had lost so much weight, she
figured I was a pretty good bet for finding a husband. LOL!

Cat
Susan Jones-Anderson - 10 Nov 2003 05:32 GMT
My epiphany comes in small doses.
Example.. the stalls in women's rooms were once uncomfortably smaller
than what I would prefer. Now they are not.
Seatbelts in my pickup fit differently.
Right this very second my butt is not wider than the seat of my chair.
I can cross my legs again properly.
I can wrap my forearm under my breasts and actually rest my breasts on
my arm when I'm standing.

But I guess the most surprising is how I am treated by men. Without
sounding like a man basher (even though I broke up with the b/f
yesterday) we all know that the majority of men treat large women much
differently than thin women. Some are so shallow they wont smile or talk
to a big woman. Some wont even look a big woman in the eye, much less
open a door or smile. I am finding that more and more men are friendly
and look at me in a totally different light. I am a good looking gal,
one of those ones that was always said "she's got such a pretty face, if
she would just lose some weight.. she'd be perfect." So now that I am
trimmer and look MUCH healthier in my physical body and in my attitude.
I am getting *alot* of attention from men, even strangers.
Is this a good thing? *shrug* - I dunno, I am enjoying most of it and in
6 months I may feel differently. It does alot for my ego on one hand and
at the same time I'm sorta disgusted that they are so shallow.

Susan(single again:)
260/209/160

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> Just wondering what some of your benchmarks have been (as in feedback from
> others).
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>
> Cat
Perple Gyrl - 10 Nov 2003 03:02 GMT
Men are visual creatures.  One shouldn't pass up a good book based on the
cover.  Unfortunatley, it is often the cover that attracts the reader to the
book...  Maybe it was just that you have more self confidence now???  That
can be very attractive.

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> My epiphany comes in small doses.
> Example.. the stalls in women's rooms were once uncomfortably smaller
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> >
> > Cat
Melissa - 11 Nov 2003 13:34 GMT
You don't think that overweight men are treated differently or "ignored" by
women?  I think it goes both ways. Anyone who has been obese or very
overweight shouldn't really be surprised that many people are put off by the
way they look.  We're ingrained with it from the time we are old enough to
talk.

Thin is good, fat is bad. Not eating is good, eating is bad.

Just look at the posts here that "look down" on those who eat in different
ways. Not eating sugar, or exercising 7x per week doesn't make anyone better
than anyone else. But it sure comes across that way in some posts. There is
an inborn need to be better than others. It makes us feel better about
ourselves.

Hey, if my using sugar in my coffee lets someone feel superior, more power
to them. The superiority is all in their mind though.

Melissa, who just had a small rant.
140/135/Feel good healthy

> Men are visual creatures.  One shouldn't pass up a good book based on the
> cover.  Unfortunatley, it is often the cover that attracts the reader to the
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> > > Cat
Perple Gyrl - 11 Nov 2003 07:14 GMT
I guess it also depends on how much $$$ the man has and how shallow the
woman is then since we are being stereotypical.  Women are visual, but not
as visual as men.

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> You don't think that overweight men are treated differently or "ignored" by
> women?  I think it goes both ways. Anyone who has been obese or very
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> > > > Cat
Ignoramus19587 - 11 Nov 2003 14:09 GMT
... agreed that fat men are just as ignored and demeaned ...

> Just look at the posts here that "look down" on those who eat in different
> ways. Not eating sugar, or exercising 7x per week doesn't make anyone better
> than anyone else. But it sure comes across that way in some posts. There is
> an inborn need to be better than others. It makes us feel better about
> ourselves.

Actually, exercising and not eating sugar does make me a lot better
than not exercising and eating sugar and other junk.

Look at my pictures when I was eating sugar and was not exercising,
and at my pictures after I started living a better life:

http://igor.chudov.com/weightloss/

Which version of me is better?

i
223/175/180
Crafting Mom - 11 Nov 2003 15:12 GMT
>Actually, exercising and not eating sugar does make me a lot better
>than not exercising and eating sugar and other junk.

Exactly.  We judge ourselves as BETTER, true.  But better than whom?

People seem to look for reasons to be offended, but we REALLY judge
ourselves as BETTER than our former selves.

Not eating sugar ... FOR ME ... is better than ME in a state of sugar
eating.

I do believe that everyone would be better OFF not eating sugar, BUT, I
don't care a hoot if other people choose to do it.  It ain't my body.
Why the heck should I care?

When I post, it's to toss out an IDEA that someone can either choose to
use for themselves, or not.
Ignoramus19587 - 11 Nov 2003 15:27 GMT
>>Actually, exercising and not eating sugar does make me a lot better
>>than not exercising and eating sugar and other junk.
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> People seem to look for reasons to be offended, but we REALLY judge
> ourselves as BETTER than our former selves.

Correct. I was comparing myself to my former self. And I know that I
am better in all respects than I was half a year ago.

I am not comparing myself to Jesus Christ, although I cannot help but
note that Jesus Christ also did not eat sugar and he did a lot of
walking. Jesus did not weigh himself daily though.

When I am comparing myself to myself, I use my own frame of
reference. And I am fully within my right to say that I am better in
condition X than in condition Y.

Now comparing myself to another person is much less fruitful because
I cannot become another person anyway, or vice versa. So no such
judgment is implied in my posts.

Like CM said, some people look for ways to be offended.

> Not eating sugar ... FOR ME ... is better than ME in a state of sugar
> eating.
>
> I do believe that everyone would be better OFF not eating sugar, BUT, I
> don't care a hoot if other people choose to do it.  It ain't my body.
> Why the heck should I care?

Well, it is hard for me to see how anyone would be better if they did
eat sugar, but apparently some people are not harmed by sugar in the
ways I was, either.

> When I post, it's to toss out an IDEA that someone can either choose to
> use for themselves, or not.

And it is only fair for you to mention something that works for you.

i
223/175/180
janice - 11 Nov 2003 18:51 GMT
>Actually, exercising and not eating sugar does make me a lot better
>than not exercising and eating sugar and other junk.
>
>Look at my pictures when I was eating sugar and was not exercising,
>and at my pictures after I started living a better life:

The original reference was to exercising and not eating sugar making
someone better than someone else.
Of course you look better than your former self, Igor, but it's also
perfectly possible to lose the weight without giving up sugar or
exercising, so I don't see how this proves anything.  There are many
routes to the same outcome, IMO.
janice
Ignoramus19587 - 11 Nov 2003 19:05 GMT
>>Actually, exercising and not eating sugar does make me a lot better
>>than not exercising and eating sugar and other junk.
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> The original reference was to exercising and not eating sugar making
> someone better than someone else.

It sounded like a cheap jab at people who report their success at
weight loss. Neither I nor CM ever implied that not eating sugar makes
us better than other people. Like CM said, some individuals are too
easily inventing imaginary offences.

> Of course you look better than your former self, Igor, but it's also
> perfectly possible to lose the weight without giving up sugar or
> exercising.

Correct.

i
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Melissa - 11 Nov 2003 20:02 GMT
It wasn't really meant to be a "jab" at all. Just an observation in general.
Not just here, but in real life as well, I know people who think of
themselves as "better" or "stronger" because they don't eat much and they
deprive themselves.

One woman in particular springs to mind. She is a small lady, 5' 1", and
weighs about 105 pounds. She watches her weight carefully, and doesn't let
herself get above 110.  She eats very little, and what she does eat would be
considered "poor" by most standards here.  A typical lunch for her (when she
eats anything at lunch) is plain bologna on mushy white bread.

But, she is relentless in spouting her opinions about "you just can't eat"
and "people don't have to be fat" etc. In her mind, she IS better than
someone she deems as overweight, because she considers her "self-control" or
"going hungry" to mean she is stronger/smarter/better.

I've seen plenty of posts here that "look down" on those which a different
approach to their WOE. Personally, I do better and maintain/lose on a
modified low carb WOE. I also try to keep a routine workout schedule and
reasonable expectations for my eating and my exercise. I'd rather learn
moderation in my eating, have that dessert every so often, eat that steak or
mashed potatoes when I want it, than deprive myself of any enjoyment where
food is concerned.

Somehow, many have gotten to the point of belief that food is bad, sweet or
fatty food is REALLY bad, and deprivation makes one a better person.  I just
don't see it. And when we foster that attitude in people, we do them and
ourselves a disservice.

I've lost weight before, and I'll do it again, and I won't totally remove
any one food item or group from my WOE when doing so. For me, that would
spell failure. I cut back, and I move more, and I don't feed my emotions.
That is what works for me. (although not nearly as fast at age 44 as when I
was 34.)

Melissa
140/135/feel good healthy weight, what ever that number might be

> >>Actually, exercising and not eating sugar does make me a lot better
> >>than not exercising and eating sugar and other junk.
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> i
> 223/175/180
rosie read and post - 11 Nov 2003 14:59 GMT
> Just look at the posts here that "look down" on those who eat in different
> ways. Not eating sugar, or exercising 7x per week doesn't make anyone better
> than anyone else. But it sure comes across that way in some posts. There is
> an inborn need to be better than others. It makes us feel better about
> ourselves.

i must agree with you melissa,  its a shame, but its true!
i will admit that i judged FAT people, until i became FAT
myself..................what an awakening!
Ignoramus19587 - 11 Nov 2003 14:05 GMT
> Men are visual creatures.  One shouldn't pass up a good book based on the
> cover.  Unfortunatley, it is often the cover that attracts the reader to the
> book...  Maybe it was just that you have more self confidence now???  That
> can be very attractive.

Actually, I know that you use book covers as a metaphor, but on the
subject of books, I generally am pretty good at judging books by
covers. Bad books almost always have bad, tasteless covers. With good
books, usually a cover tells a great deal about the book also.

i
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MH - 10 Nov 2003 12:14 GMT
> My epiphany comes in small doses.
> Example.. the stalls in women's rooms were once uncomfortably smaller
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> Susan(single again:)
> 260/209/160

I'm so sorry to hear you've gone through such guy troubles. I'm at the point
in my life where a serious relationship has little interest to me. You're
right about guys though. I find it funny that I'm sitll the same person I
always was, yet they don't even realize it. Whatever; it doesn't mean I'm
going to pay more attention to them.  : )

Martha
beeswing - 10 Nov 2003 15:01 GMT
Susan wrote:

>I can wrap my forearm under my breasts and actually rest my breasts on
>my arm when I'm standing.

I hadn't thought of that. Last night at a concert, I was talking to someone I
didn't know well. I stood in typical defensive posture, with my arms folded in
front of me, across my belly and below my chest. This is a "normal enough"
position, and I couldn't figure out why it felt strange to me. I just realized
that this may have been the first time I've stood this way in maybe years. I
couldn't have reached my arms across me before. How totally odd...but that
would certainly explain the somewhat awkward feeling I was getting.

And my epiphany for the night? That same person saw me drinking a latte before
the show, then he walked up when I was eating a big cookie on intermission. He
commented "Eating again?" Before I'd lost this weight, something like that
would have devastated me; I would have felt fat, ugly, and guilty for eating.
That emotion automatically did kick in, but I quickly quashed it. I thought
"Wait! He didn't mean that as a crack. I'm thin, he can see that, and he and I
both know I can afford to eat a cookie if I want." It had been a conversation
opener only (if not the best one) and not a crack at my weight. My weight was
fine.

beeswing
SeaMe42 - 10 Nov 2003 23:43 GMT
> we all know that the majority of men >treat large women much
>differently than thin women. Some are so shallow they wont smile or talk
>to a big woman. Some wont even look a big woman in the eye, much less
>open a door or smile

This caught my eye because it so succinctly demonstrates the truth behind  why
many sexually abused women become overweight. I am not saying that you were
sexually abused, Susan. But I am saying that it shows how often women's weight
can have a psychological component.

Maybe I see this because I identify with it. I am a survivor of sibling incest.
A few years ago, I lost the extra 30 pounds I wanted to lose. I was at a church
(of all places!) Christmas pagaent rehearsal, wearing jeans and a tshirt. This
parishioner came over to me and complimented me on how great I looked, which
was fine...until he leaned in and with a certain leer in his eye and a
particularly throaty voice, said: "I know what you are trying to do to me."
GULP. I suddenly felt numb and humiliated..again. I remember thinking "Oh
darn..(only I didn't say darn..lol) please don't let the weight come back
on...all 30 plus an extra 40.

...but it did. I wanted so much to be thin and attractive but the price of
having men crawl over me was too high of a price to pay. It was almost as if a
voice in my head told me if I wanted to be invisible and not hassled by pervs,
I needed to be padded.

I have lost 30 once again, with 40 to go. I feel stronger now and better able
to fight the urge to let my fears get in the way of my dreams.

Janey

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Susan Jones-Anderson - 11 Nov 2003 02:11 GMT
I have lost 30 once again, with 40 to go. I feel stronger now and better
able
to fight the urge to let my fears get in the way of my dreams.

Janey
<snip>

Janey,

Keep the fight up everyday, every hour, every second - YOU are worth way
more than those old past dead fears and in retrospect you should have
told that guy to politely go f*ck himself.

And no.. I wasn't sexually abused. Thank God.

Susan
260/209/160

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Jarkat2002 - 10 Nov 2003 07:56 GMT
>Just wondering what some of your benchmarks have been (as in feedback from
>others).

I knew I lost weight when:
I could pull of my jeans w/o unbuttoning or un zipping them :)
I went into Lane Bryants (SP?) once to buy clothes, (for those that don't know,
fat woman's clothing store) and they had nothing that fit me, I was too big
(over a size 32) and went back after weight loss and they still had nothing to
fit me (the smallest size they carry is a 14) I was too small.  (Damn, one of
the best days of my life!)
When my DD asked me to play w/ her at the park, and I did w/o getting winded or
even *thinking* about being tired.
When my husband put his arms around me and I fit perfectly.
I could go on and on w/ this one :)

~Kat

"Rice Krispies.  East meets west"  
Cosmo Kramer
Perple Gyrl - 10 Nov 2003 03:21 GMT
I love that... I usually shop at Avenue.  I remember when I was wearing a
30/32 about 5 years ago and how the clothes seemed to be getting tighter.
That is a very scary feeling.  Now, the 18/20's I bought are getting too
baggy and I'll be into the 14/16's by next month.  I am tall, big-boned and
have a long torso/average length legs, that is why the smaller clothes fit
me better at my weight....  I can't wait until I am too small to fit into
any of their clothes.  I should be there by early next year.  I also have a
ton of jeans that I can pull on and off w/out unbuttoning them.  Well, I did
have alot of them BEFORE I donated last month....

284/230/199(mini)/175
5'9.25"

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> >Just wondering what some of your benchmarks have been (as in feedback from
> >others).
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> "Rice Krispies.  East meets west"
> Cosmo Kramer
Julianne - 10 Nov 2003 14:32 GMT
I have a closet full of clothes of different sizes.  I sort of learned to
disregard all the sixes and eights as though they weren't even there for a
long time.  Now the eights fit well and I can wear the sixes but not
comfortably.  It's like having lots of new clothes without spending the
cash.

j

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> I love that... I usually shop at Avenue.  I remember when I was wearing a
> 30/32 about 5 years ago and how the clothes seemed to be getting tighter.
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> > "Rice Krispies.  East meets west"
> > Cosmo Kramer
Perple Gyrl - 10 Nov 2003 03:05 GMT
I haven't worn anything smaller then a 14 since i was 17.  I want to get rid
of all the big clothes and buy all new smaller "normal" sized clothes.  I
never want to wear the larger ones again.  I hope by not having any, there
will be less incentive to overeat and not exercise.

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> I have a closet full of clothes of different sizes.  I sort of learned to
> disregard all the sixes and eights as though they weren't even there for a
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> > > "Rice Krispies.  East meets west"
> > > Cosmo Kramer
SeaMe42 - 11 Nov 2003 13:27 GMT
I know I lost weight when..

My watch started feeling more like a dangly bracelet!

Now when I feel it in my hips, legs and tummy I will really rejoice! LOL

Jane
 
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