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Polar Light - 17 Mar 2005 09:58 GMT
Could this be true? I eat yogurt simply because it's tasty, low in calories
& a good substitue for things like cream or custard.
I guess die-hard LCers will probably disagree since they prefer cream but I
count calories.

http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/050316/165221_1.html

<quote> individuals who included Yoplait Light as part of their weight loss
plan lost significantly more weight compared to others who simply reduced
calories. The yogurt eaters lost 22 percent more weight--an average of 14
pounds, 66 percent more body fat and 81 percent more trunkal (stomach) fat
during the 12-week study. </unquote>

<quote> "Not only did yogurt help the study participants lose more
weight--the average weight loss was 14 pounds--they were about twice as
effective at maintaining lean muscle mass," </quote>

It all sounds very good except for the mention of a specifc brand, which
sounds like a marketing effort. What do you guys think?
Susie Quill - 17 Mar 2005 12:43 GMT
Milk and yogurt has been found to improve weight loss.  However, yes, it is
a marketing ploy.  A couple small research studies have been done that look
good, and the milk companies are running with it.  Can't blame them though.

Personally, I'd suggest getting the milk as skim milk instead.  I'm using
non-fat dry milk, adding it to cold water in a blender, add some fruit, ice,
vanilla flavoring, or any flavor I have, blend, and have a nice drink when I
first get home so I don't eat everything in sight.  Decreases my appetite.
Decreasing the appetite isn't why it works though.
However, I was doing it to decrease appetite, it just happens that there are
other benefits.
I read an article on this and was going to re-read it so I
could understand the finer points better, but haven't gotten
around to it yet.

Susie

> Could this be true? I eat yogurt simply because it's tasty, low in
> calories & a good substitue for things like cream or custard.
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> It all sounds very good except for the mention of a specifc brand, which
> sounds like a marketing effort. What do you guys think?
Polar Light - 17 Mar 2005 18:17 GMT
> Milk and yogurt has been found to improve weight loss.  However, yes, it
> is a marketing ploy.  A couple small research studies have been done that
> look good, and the milk companies are running with it.  Can't blame them
> though.

All my life I remember yougurt being associated with slimming but I always
thought it was simply as a low cal substitute for higher cal stuff like
desserts.

> Personally, I'd suggest getting the milk as skim milk instead.  I'm using
> non-fat dry milk, adding it to cold water in a blender, add some fruit,
> ice, vanilla flavoring, or any flavor I have, blend, and have a nice drink
> when I first get home so I don't eat everything in sight.  Decreases my
> appetite.

I always stock dry nonfat milk & often prepare it like you do, although I
tend to do it in the morning, maybe I should try later in the day like you
do too.

> Decreasing the appetite isn't why it works though.
> However, I was doing it to decrease appetite, it just happens that there
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Steve Knight - 17 Mar 2005 18:20 GMT
>Milk and yogurt has been found to improve weight loss.
I very much doubt milk will help since it is full of sugar. most yogurts on the
market are full of sugar and garbage too.

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Polar Light - 17 Mar 2005 19:35 GMT
>>Milk and yogurt has been found to improve weight loss.
> I very much doubt milk will help since it is full of sugar. most yogurts
> on the
> market are full of sugar and garbage too.

I buy plain yogurt & add my own 'garbage' to it...
Carol Frilegh - 17 Mar 2005 23:41 GMT
> >>Milk and yogurt has been found to improve weight loss.
> > I very much doubt milk will help since it is full of sugar. most yogurts
> > on the
> > market are full of sugar and garbage too.
>
> I buy plain yogurt & add my own 'garbage' to it...

I make my own yogurt but recenly started having an allergic response to
it whether using cow or goat's milk.

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Steve Knight - 18 Mar 2005 06:02 GMT
>I make my own yogurt but recenly started having an allergic response to
>it whether using cow or goat's milk.

I got that way with kefir. milk allergies are pretty common anymore. I can
handle hard cheese but nothing with milk in it.
I am told you can make kefir with cream. I know you can make yogurt with it.
you just can't eat a lot of it (G)

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Susie Quill - 17 Mar 2005 20:07 GMT
One cup of milk has 12 grams of carbohydrate.
One slice of bread has 15 grams.  One apple, medium sized, has 15 grams of
carbohydrate.  So, milk has no more sugar then other exchanges of
carbohydrates which includes starchy foods such as bread, starchy vegetables
such as
winter squash, and fruits.  Even low calorie vegetables such as green beans
have a little carbohydrate.  However, yes, a lot of the yogurts are high in
carbohydrate.  Some are not bad.

The mechanism for weight loss, however, has something to do with the calcium
going in to the cells I believe.  I'll have to read the article over again.
Personally, I'd use skim milk if I was doing it just for the weight loss.  A
serving of
yoplait 99% fat free yogurt has 15 grams of carbohydrate.
(I just happen to have one in the refrigerator).
Susie

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>>Milk and yogurt has been found to improve weight loss.
> I very much doubt milk will help since it is full of sugar. most yogurts
> on the
> market are full of sugar and garbage too.
Ruzinthra the Ruki - 18 Mar 2005 02:16 GMT
>I very much doubt milk will help since it is full of sugar. most yogurts on the
>market are full of sugar and garbage too.

i drink soymilk.  it has about 5g less sugar per serving than
skim milk.

david
Polar Light - 18 Mar 2005 09:24 GMT
>>I very much doubt milk will help since it is full of sugar. most yogurts
>>on the
>>market are full of sugar and garbage too.
>
> i drink soymilk.  it has about 5g less sugar per serving than
> skim milk.

I drink it sometimes too, because they say it's good for your intestinal
flora. The same has often been said about yogurt, you just never know
anymore. Different brands of soymilk have slightly different nutritional
values & it tends to work out a little higher in cals than non-fat milk.
Carol Frilegh - 18 Mar 2005 11:35 GMT
> >>I very much doubt milk will help since it is full of sugar. most yogurts
> >>on the
> >>market are full of sugar and garbage too.
> >
> > i drink soymilk.  it has about 5g less sugar per serving than
> > skim milk.

From what I have studied, soy is not very good for you but most people
would disagree.

> I drink it sometimes too, because they say it's good for your intestinal
> flora. The same has often been said about yogurt, you just never know
> anymore. Different brands of soymilk have slightly different nutritional
> values & it tends to work out a little higher in cals than non-fat milk.

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Polar Light - 18 Mar 2005 12:16 GMT
>> >>I very much doubt milk will help since it is full of sugar. most
>> >>yogurts
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> From what I have studied, soy is not very good for you but most people
> would disagree.

It's generally touted as 'healty', having said that I always saw soymilk as
a substitute for those who can't tolerate milk or dairy products. Like I
said below, I started buying when I had frequent bouts of gastroenteritis
because they say it helps restore the good bacteria in the intestinal tract.

Frankly, I don't know anymore. One day something is the greatest thing in
the world, the next that same thing is completely discredited and considered
'bad for you'. Happens with most foods & supplements these days.

>> I drink it sometimes too, because they say it's good for your intestinal
>> flora. The same has often been said about yogurt, you just never know
>> anymore. Different brands of soymilk have slightly different nutritional
>> values & it tends to work out a little higher in cals than non-fat milk.
Ignoramus27209 - 18 Mar 2005 15:06 GMT
>> From what I have studied, soy is not very good for you but most people
>> would disagree.

I would agree.

> It's generally touted as 'healty', having said that I always saw soymilk as
> a substitute for those who can't tolerate milk or dairy products. Like I
> said below, I started buying when I had frequent bouts of gastroenteritis
> because they say it helps restore the good bacteria in the intestinal tract.

I am not sure what is the basis of calling white soy beverages
"soymilk". It is not milk. It makes about as much sense as calling
Pepsi "pepsimilk".

> Frankly, I don't know anymore. One day something is the greatest thing in
> the world, the next that same thing is completely discredited and considered
> 'bad for you'. Happens with most foods & supplements these days.

That's my complaint also.

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Carol Frilegh - 18 Mar 2005 16:32 GMT
> >> From what I have studied, soy is not very good for you but most people
> >> would disagree.
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>
> That's my complaint also.

A healthier option is Nut milk" which is very easy to make.

NUT MILK
by Marjan

100 grams of whole blanched hazelnuts, almonds or pecans (gives
brownish milk)
1 litre of water
a small pinch of salt
optional: 1 tbsp of clear honey

Put ingredients in blender and spin for about 10 minutes.
Pour through a fine sieve.
Squeeze out residue with the back of a spoon or squeeze out in a tea
towel.
Freeze residue (this is in fact very fine nut flour) and use for baking
purposes.
Store in the fridge.
Use withing 2-3 days.

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Polar Light - 18 Mar 2005 22:05 GMT
>> > Frankly, I don't know anymore. One day something is the greatest thing
>> > in
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> Store in the fridge.
> Use withing 2-3 days.

Thanks Carol, I will give that I try, sounds easy enough. I have, on
occasion, bought commercial 'nut milk' too...
Ruzinthra the Ruki - 18 Mar 2005 17:07 GMT
>I am not sure what is the basis of calling white soy beverages
>"soymilk". It is not milk. It makes about as much sense as calling
>Pepsi "pepsimilk".

semantics.
Carol Frilegh - 18 Mar 2005 17:28 GMT
> >I am not sure what is the basis of calling white soy beverages
> >"soymilk". It is not milk. It makes about as much sense as calling
> >Pepsi "pepsimilk".
>
> semantics.
It has a milk like texture and is used as a substiute beverage for milk
as is Nutmilk and neither comes from an animal.

Webster has an alernate definiton of milk not from animal sources:

1 a : a fluid secreted by the mammary glands of females for the
nourishment of their young; especially : cow's milk used as a food by
humans b : LACTATION <cows in milk>
2 : a liquid resembling milk in appearance: as a : the latex of a plant
b : the juice of a coconut c : the contents of an unripe kernel of
grain

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Carol Frilegh - 18 Mar 2005 15:13 GMT
> It's generally touted as 'healty', having said that I always saw soymilk as
> a substitute for those who can't tolerate milk or dairy products. Like I
> said below, I started buying when I had frequent bouts of gastroenteritis
> because they say it helps restore the good bacteria in the intestinal tract.

Now you can know more!

The Dark Side of Spy, Is Soy Really healthy?

http://www.healingcrow.com/soy/soy.html

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Polar Light - 18 Mar 2005 22:54 GMT
>> It's generally touted as 'healty', having said that I always saw soymilk
>> as
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>
> http://www.healingcrow.com/soy/soy.html

Most illuminating!

Thanks for this link, I'm not crazy about soy although I do like soy sauce
in Asian food but it's not something I eat every day. I don't think I will
be buying more soy milk after reading this since the taste isn't even that
great, however, I will forward the link to a friend of mine who has spent
years drinking soy milk (for lack of a better name) instead of the real
thing just because she reckons it's a lot healthier. I also know quite a few
vegetarians & vegans who regularly eat tofu, soy burgers, sausages, etc.
Carol Frilegh - 19 Mar 2005 00:37 GMT
> >> It's generally touted as 'healty', having said that I always saw soymilk
> >> as
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> thing just because she reckons it's a lot healthier. I also know quite a few
> vegetarians & vegans who regularly eat tofu, soy burgers, sausages, etc.

Please. please don't take offense. One of my close friends and
neighbors is a vegetarian and heads up an alternative health
organization. I have attended a few of the lectures she arranges and
never saw such a bunch of more unhealthy and unattractive people as the
audiences these talks attract. The sickest looking individuals came to
see dally fallon from the weston-Price organization and hear about
"ancestral diets" and raw milk. I was so urned off, i slipped out five
minutes into the prsenatation which lasted six hours.

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Polar Light - 19 Mar 2005 10:30 GMT
[SNIP]

>> > Now you can know more!
>> >
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> "ancestral diets" and raw milk. I was so urned off, i slipped out five
> minutes into the prsenatation which lasted six hours.

No offense taken at all, I was just thinking of the large numbers of people
who have been led to believe meat (especially red meat) is bad for you and
that dairy products are little better. These ideas do date back quite a long
time.

The isoflavones the article describes as being harmful are being advertised
as a healthy addition to fruit juices that have been 'enriched' with the
addition of soy derivates. Surely if they are really as bad as the article
puts it (sounds like it's a lot healthier to have a glass of vodka ;-) )
something should be done to stop all these products being promoted as 'good
for you' on so many counts.

At least if you eat at McDonalds you do so *knowing* it's not the best for
you. Yesterday I was about to buy some soy burgers (a few hours before
reading the article), only I thought they were too expensive & didn't get
them in the end, just as well...
Carol Frilegh - 19 Mar 2005 11:43 GMT
> > >> It's generally touted as 'healty', having said that I always saw soymilk
> > >> as
> > >> a substitute for those who can't tolerate milk or dairy products. Like I
Correction: Sally Fallon not "dally". One finger typist.. sigh. I'm
exercising the wrong appendages.

> Please. please don't take offense. One of my close friends and
> neighbors is a vegetarian and heads up an alternative health
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> "ancestral diets" and raw milk. I was so urned off, i slipped out five
> minutes into the prsenatation which lasted six hours.
Chris Braun - 17 Mar 2005 14:33 GMT
>Could this be true? I eat yogurt simply because it's tasty, low in calories
>& a good substitue for things like cream or custard.
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>It all sounds very good except for the mention of a specifc brand, which
>sounds like a marketing effort. What do you guys think?

It's been widely documented that calcium helps one lose more weight,
though I don't think anyone is sure of the mechanism.  (I believe
tests have just demonstrated this with dietary calcium -- specifically
in dairy products -- not with supplements.)  I assume cream is a
source of calcium, so LCers should be fine with that.  So is milk,
regardless of fat content.  

Chris
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Polar Light - 17 Mar 2005 18:33 GMT
>>Could this be true? I eat yogurt simply because it's tasty, low in
>>calories
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
> source of calcium, so LCers should be fine with that.  So is milk,
> regardless of fat content.

I heard yogurt being associated with slimming all my life but I'd just
assumed it was because it's a low cal source of protein & other nutrients
that makes a good replacement for higher cal stuff like desserts, cream or
ice cream, I didn't know calcium aids weight loss. Strange that it should
only be dietary calcium, isn't it the same element you find in supplements?
Or maybe it only works this way when combined with another substance that's
also present in dairy products.

I didn't like the branding though, seems to detract from what could
otherwise be a serious study.

> Chris
> 262/130s/130s
> started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004
Susie Quill - 17 Mar 2005 20:10 GMT
I read that there is a dietitian that has come out with a book advocating
calcium supplements instead for weight loss..  I'm not sure I'm comfortable
with that though.  There isn't a study on calcium supplements and weight
loss.  I haven't
read her book though.
Susie

>>>Could this be true? I eat yogurt simply because it's tasty, low in
>>>calories
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>> 262/130s/130s
>> started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004
Dr_Dickie - 17 Mar 2005 20:18 GMT
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> I read that there is a dietitian that has come out with a book advocating
> calcium supplements instead for weight loss..  I'm not sure I'm comfortable
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> >> 262/130s/130s
> >> started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004

Dunno, but I found this:
Effect of calcium and dairy foods in high protein, energy-restricted diets
on weight loss and metabolic parameters in overweight adults.

Bowen J, Noakes M, Clifton PM.

1Department of Physiology, JB University of Adelaide, Adelaide, South
Australia, Australia.

OBJECTIVE:: To compare the effects two high-protein (HP) diets that differ
in dietary calcium and protein source on weight loss, body composition,
glucose and lipid metabolism, markers of liver function, fibrinolysis and
endothelial function and blood pressure. DESIGN:: Randomized, parallel study
(12 wk of energy restriction, 4 wk of energy balance) of high dairy
protein/high-calcium (DP, 2400 mg Ca/d) and high mixed protein/moderate
calcium (MP, 500 mg Ca/d) diets (5.5 MJ/d, 34% protein, 41% carbohydrate,
24% fat). SUBJECTS:: In all, 50 healthy, overweight (age 25-64 y; body mass
index 25-35 kg/m(2);) males (n=20) and females (n=30). RESULTS:: Loss of
total weight (-9.7+/-3.8 kg), fat mass (-8.3+/-0.4 kg) and lean mass
(-1.6+/-0.3 kg) were independent of dietary group. Improvements in fasting
insulin, lipids, systolic/diastolic blood pressure, and markers of liver
function, fibrinolysis and endothelial function were independent of dietary
intervention. CONCLUSIONS:: Increased dietary calcium/dairy foods in an
energy-restricted, HP diet does not affect weight loss or body composition.
Weight reduction following increased protein diets is associated with
beneficial metabolic outcomes that are not affected by protein
source.International Journal of Obesity advance online publication, 15
February 2005; doi:10.1038/sj.ijo.0802895.

PMID: 15711601 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]
Dr_Dickie - 17 Mar 2005 20:29 GMT
> > "Susie Quill" <susieq@vzpacifica.net> wrote in message
> news:4239d6d2$1_2@127.0.0.1...
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> > read her book though.
> > Susie

And this:
Effect of short-term high dietary calcium intake on 24-h energy expenditure,
fat oxidation, and fecal fat excretion.

Jacobsen R, Lorenzen JK, Toubro S, Krog-Mikkelsen I, Astrup A.

Department of Human Nutrition, Centre for Advanced Food Studies, The Royal
Veterinary and Agricultural University, DK-1958 Frederiksberg C, Denmark.

BACKGROUND: Observational studies have shown an inverse association between
dietary calcium intake and body weight, and a causal relation is likely.
However, the underlying mechanisms are not understood. OBJECTIVE: We
examined whether high and low calcium intakes from mainly low-fat dairy
products, in diets high or normal in protein content, have effects on 24-h
energy expenditure (EE) and substrate oxidation, fecal energy and fat
excretion, and concentrations of substrates and hormones involved in energy
metabolism and appetite. DESIGN: In all, 10 subjects participated in a
randomized crossover study of three isocaloric 1-week diets with: low
calcium and normal protein (LC/NP: 500 mg calcium, 15% of energy (E%) from
protein), high calcium and normal protein (HC/NP: 1800 mg calcium, 15E%
protein), and high calcium and high protein (HC/HP: 1800 mg calcium, 23E%
protein). RESULTS: The calcium intake had no effect on 24-h EE or fat
oxidation, but fecal fat excretion increased approximately 2.5-fold during
the HC/NP diet compared with the LC/NP and the HC/HP diets (14.2 vs 6.0 and
5.9 g/day; P < 0.05). The HC/NP diet also increased fecal energy excretion
as compared with the LC/NP and the HC/HP diets (1045 vs 684 and 668 kJ/day;
P < 0.05). There were no effects on blood cholesterol, free fatty acids,
triacylglycerol, insulin, leptin, or thyroid hormones. CONCLUSIONS: A
short-term increase in dietary calcium intake, together with a normal
protein intake, increased fecal fat and energy excretion by approximately
350 kJ/day. This observation may contribute to explain why a high-calcium
diet produces weight loss, and it suggests that an interaction with dietary
protein level may be important.

PMID: 15672116 [PubMed - in process]

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jmk - 17 Mar 2005 21:27 GMT
> I read that there is a dietitian that has come out with a book advocating
> calcium supplements instead for weight loss..  I'm not sure I'm comfortable
> with that though.  There isn't a study on calcium supplements and weight
> loss.  I haven't
> read her book though.
> Susie

But does that help your breath too?  ;-)

http://my.webmd.com/content/article/101/106489.htm

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Susie Quill - 18 Mar 2005 12:28 GMT
>> I read that there is a dietitian that has come out with a book advocating
>> calcium supplements instead for weight loss..  I'm not sure I'm
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> But does that help your breath too?  ;-)

Well, it doesn't hurt I don't think.  Unlike the high protein diet that
doesn't help your breath.....but isn't that another topic.
Susie

> http://my.webmd.com/content/article/101/106489.htm
JayJay - 17 Mar 2005 22:57 GMT
> I heard yogurt being associated with slimming all my life but I'd just
> assumed it was because it's a low cal source of protein & other nutrients
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> I didn't like the branding though, seems to detract from what could
> otherwise be a serious study.

Calcium needs Vitamin D for absorbtion in the body.  So, if you are eating
Tums as a calcium suppliment, most of the calcium there will pass thru the
body and not be absorbed because tums does not have vit D.  

But, Dairy - like milk, contains calcium and Vit D, which is why it is able
to be absorbed in the body and works better.  Now, many times you can find
suppliments that include Calcium and Vit D together, in order for
absorbtion to work.  I have not read the studies to know for sure if taking
this as a suppliment will also aid in weight loss or not, if its actually
been studied or not.

This is why those "food combinine" type diets do work to an extent.  In
many cases they are combining foods that work well together for the vitamin
and mineral absorbtion.  
Susie Quill - 17 Mar 2005 20:07 GMT
I'm sorry, but no, cream is not high in calcium.  It is simply fat.
Susie

>>Could this be true? I eat yogurt simply because it's tasty, low in
>>calories
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> 262/130s/130s
> started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004
Chris Braun - 18 Mar 2005 04:48 GMT
Well, it doesn't really matter to me, so you don't have to be sorry
:-).  I was just guessing.  I virtually never eat cream, not being a
low-carber.  

I have drunk skim milk exclusively since I was 8 years old, when my
mother started serving it because my father's doctor told him to drink
it.

Chris
262/130s/130s

>I'm sorry, but no, cream is not high in calcium.  It is simply fat.
>Susie
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Polar Light - 18 Mar 2005 09:30 GMT
> Well, it doesn't really matter to me, so you don't have to be sorry
> :-).  I was just guessing.  I virtually never eat cream, not being a
> low-carber.

Same here... I don't care much for cream anyway...

> I have drunk skim milk exclusively since I was 8 years old, when my
> mother started serving it because my father's doctor told him to drink
> it.

I never liked the taste of milk as such (since I can remember, i.e. around
age 5), however, I always found skim tastes a lot less like milk so it's
always been skim for me too.

> Chris
> 262/130s/130s
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Susie Quill - 18 Mar 2005 12:31 GMT
I'm sorry again.  LOL  I'm just a little gun shy because I've been fussed at
by low carbers, including my brother once.
I like to stay away from the subject.
Susie

> Well, it doesn't really matter to me, so you don't have to be sorry
> :-).  I was just guessing.  I virtually never eat cream, not being a
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JayJay - 17 Mar 2005 15:00 GMT
> Could this be true? I eat yogurt simply because it's tasty, low in calories
> & a good substitue for things like cream or custard.
> I guess die-hard LCers will probably disagree since they prefer cream but I
> count calories.

This is one of the latest marketing ploys I've been observing.   As others
have pointed out, studies show that dietary calcium can help improve weight
loss.   So, it now appears that many dairy products are jumping on the
calcium band wagon.  Many are even adding calcium suppliments to their
foods in order to say they have "more calcium"  (but as Chris pointed out,
the studies related to calcium already in foods, not suppliments).

Its like that "Danactive" commercial that has Dad reading a health article
in the newspaper ...  whild daughter is drinking her dan active.  Dad's
article appears to be a valid health article, but mentions "dan active" by
brand name.  

ANything that mentions a product by brand name is usually marketing, and
most of what is in the article has been doctored up to make their product
sound best and the only way to get the health benefit.

I like very basic commercials:

Got Milk?

(Dairy council, no specific brand)
greg - 17 Mar 2005 16:00 GMT
> This is one of the latest marketing ploys I've been observing.  

It's not a ploy if it is true. You neglected to address this aspect of it.
JayJay - 17 Mar 2005 22:54 GMT
>> This is one of the latest marketing ploys I've been observing.  
>
> It's not a ploy if it is true. You neglected to address this aspect of it.

Isn't it a ploy if they twist true facts and medical studies on a generic
issue (calcium found in dairy products, or dietary calcium found in food,
or those people who consume higher calcium diets from food sources, had
more success in losing weight than their counterparts) and relating it to a
specific product.

Consuming dietary calcium can help aid in weight loss.  But that doesn't
mean consuming Yoplait yogurt will aid in weight loss any more than
consuming Danon yogurt or drinking milk or eating cheese.  Oh, but Yoplait
now adds calcium supplimentation so they now claim they have "more calcium"
than other brands.  BUT - the studies do not show any success w/
supplimentation of calcium.  It specifies dietary calcium - or that found
naturally in food.

I'll take broccoli and its calcium.   :)  Fewer calories and less fat than
yogurt
Polar Light - 17 Mar 2005 23:31 GMT
>>> This is one of the latest marketing ploys I've been observing.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> mean consuming Yoplait yogurt will aid in weight loss any more than
> consuming Danon yogurt or drinking milk or eating cheese.

I figured the studies would obviously refer to *ANY* yogurt even though they
were trying to plug Yoplait, however, it wasn't that clear that any other
dairy product would have the same effect. I wouldn't think about chesse in
terms of weight loss since it's so high in calories (cottage cheese & other
very low fat soft cheeses excepted).

> Oh, but Yoplait
> now adds calcium supplimentation so they now claim they have "more
> calcium"
> than other brands.  BUT - the studies do not show any success w/
> supplimentation of calcium.  It specifies dietary calcium - or that found
> naturally in food.

With me the commercial had the opposite effect, I won't buy Yoplait 'coz I
don't like the marketing strategy they're using here.

> I'll take broccoli and its calcium.   :)  Fewer calories and less fat than
> yogurt

I love broccoli too, only I don't usually mix it with strawberries ;-)  I
buy plain 0% yogurt, can't get any less fat than that & only 45 cals/100g.
Susie Quill - 18 Mar 2005 12:34 GMT
I think they actually did a study on yoplait  yogurt.
Susie

>>> This is one of the latest marketing ploys I've been observing.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> I'll take broccoli and its calcium.   :)  Fewer calories and less fat than
> yogurt
Ruzinthra the Ruki - 18 Mar 2005 20:52 GMT
>I think they actually did a study on yoplait yogurt.

no doubt paid for by Yoplait.
JayJay - 18 Mar 2005 21:21 GMT
>>I think they actually did a study on yoplait yogurt.
>
> no doubt paid for by Yoplait.

without cross studies to compare yoplait to other brands of yogurt (same
type, calorie and similar nutrient content).  As well as to those who just
drank milk or used other forms of food to get calcium....
Ruzinthra the Ruki - 18 Mar 2005 21:24 GMT
>>>I think they actually did a study on yoplait yogurt.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>type, calorie and similar nutrient content).  As well as to those who just
>drank milk or used other forms of food to get calcium....

i just buy the store brand yogurt.  the only real difference that
i can SEE between Yoplait and the store brand is the PRICE.

david
Polar Light - 17 Mar 2005 18:25 GMT
>> Could this be true? I eat yogurt simply because it's tasty, low in
>> calories
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> foods in order to say they have "more calcium"  (but as Chris pointed out,
> the studies related to calcium already in foods, not suppliments).

Adding calcium to foods, particularly milk & dairy products is old hat, only
this is the first I hear about it helping weight loss. It was usually
growing kids & bone health in adults that calcium was associated with.

> Its like that "Danactive" commercial that has Dad reading a health article
> in the newspaper ...  whild daughter is drinking her dan active.  Dad's
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> most of what is in the article has been doctored up to make their product
> sound best and the only way to get the health benefit.

I agree, I didn't like the branding either, somehow seems to detract from
what could be a serious study making it sound like a commercial.

> I like very basic commercials:
>
> Got Milk?
>
> (Dairy council, no specific brand)

Yep, I remember a couple of generic commercials but they are few & far
between.
Mary_Gordon@tvo.org - 17 Mar 2005 18:22 GMT
I wonder who paid for the "research"? Gee, hard to guess.

Mary G.
 
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