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Weight Loss Forum / General Topics / March 2005Detox or Not?
Wow - I didn't realize that there were so many 'detox' (detoxification) diets out there. I became interested in finding out more about them after reading "The Warrior Diet" (which includes detoxification as part of the feeding 'cycle'). However... I can't really find any good, scientific support for detoxification. Just wondered what you guys think here. Is it just a bunch of new-age hooey, or is there really something to this 'detox' thing? Anyone doing a 'detox-type diet'? Anyone know of any good links or resources in support of, or against, detox? Thanks for you help! > Wow - I didn't realize that there were so many 'detox' > (detoxification) diets out there. I became interested in finding out [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Anyone know of any good links or resources in support of, or against, > detox? I have not seen anything evidence based that spoke about "detoxing" in a positive context. It seems like everything that I read about detoxing was nonsensical. Fasting may be beneficial, but these benefits do not seem to be related to any "toxins".  Signature223/173.3/180 >I have not seen anything evidence based that spoke about "detoxing" in >a positive context. It seems like everything that I read about >detoxing was nonsensical. Fasting may be beneficial, but these >benefits do not seem to be related to any "toxins". I haven't been able to find anything either. Mattson's work, intermittent fasting, and fasting are interesting. Please let me know if you have any good 'fasting' links. Thx! > However... I can't really find any good, scientific support for > detoxification. couldn't possibly be because it's a total f.cking scam, could it? >> However... I can't really find any good, scientific support for >> detoxification. > >couldn't possibly be because it's a total f.cking scam, could it? Probably... or maybe just not studied enough? I also haven't found any good studies 'refuting' it... > >> However... I can't really find any good, scientific support for > >> detoxification. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Probably... or maybe just not studied enough? I also haven't found > any good studies 'refuting' it... tell yourself whatever makes you feel good. >Wow - I didn't realize that there were so many 'detox' >(detoxification) diets out there. I became interested in finding out [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >Thanks for you help! By the time I heard of this stuff I was well on the way in my weight loss, so I never saw any need to do it. It just sounds unpleasant, and like it would be hard to keep up with my normal activities during the time I was doing it. Chris 262/130s/130s started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004 When I read the subject heading, I thought for a second you meant alcohol detox. Detox to me is when you suddenly stop some substance that's been addictive, whether it's alcohol, cocaine, caffeine, or sugar. I have suddenly stopped both sugar and caffeine in the past, and can tell you the first week is very unpleasant. But products that help you detox? phooey There is only one thing, IMO, that is the best detox there is - water. Simple and effective. My two cents. Mel eat less, move more 225/216/160 > Wow - I didn't realize that there were so many 'detox' > (detoxification) diets out there. I became interested in finding out [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Thanks for you help! >When I read the subject heading, I thought for a second you meant alcohol >detox. Detox to me is when you suddenly stop some substance that's been [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >eat less, move more >225/216/160 Sorry, I wasn't very specific. I was meaning more 'detox diets'... common ones are 'fruit fasting' for a day, or 'juice fasting' for a day every so often... > Wow - I didn't realize that there were so many 'detox' > (detoxification) diets out there. So you don't read about many diets than. Even most that don't discuss the issue have features of it. > However... I can't really find any good, scientific support for > detoxification. Every report that identifies a cause for cancer, a problem from a chemical and so on, you've missed all of them? > Just wondered what you guys think here. Is it just a bunch of > new-age hooey, or is there really something to this 'detox' thing? Fewer chemicals, more veggies and fruits and such. Any plan like that is detox to some extent. > Anyone doing a 'detox-type diet'? I've been on Atkins for 5 years so far. It's first two weeks are a detox program as half of its plan and a carb reduction plan as the other half of its plan. In the case of Atkins it uses the food intolerance concept that also appears in paleolithic plans. There are other detox concepts, but they have one thing in common - eat more natural foods and less chemical foods. Hard to argue with it once you've reduced it down to veggies-good hard-to-prnoun-chemicals-bad. Whether the body build toxicity and stores it in fat, I think that's more a matter of perpective and how you define your words. >> Wow - I didn't realize that there were so many 'detox' >> (detoxification) diets out there. > >So you don't read about many diets than. Even most >that don't discuss the issue have features of it. I try to keep up. I knew there were out there. Just not so many (until I checked it out via Amazon, etc.) >> However... I can't really find any good, scientific support for >> detoxification. > >Every report that identifies a cause for cancer, >a problem from a chemical and so on, you've missed >all of them? Umm... so if I go on a 'detox' diet there would be no need for me to stop smoking... worry about too much sun exposore.... or any genetic predisposition to various cancers? >> Just wondered what you guys think here. Is it just a bunch of >> new-age hooey, or is there really something to this 'detox' thing? > >Fewer chemicals, more veggies and fruits and such. >Any plan like that is detox to some extent. One interesting piece of info I can across is that generally, fruits and veggies have more toxics and most meats, etc. >> Anyone doing a 'detox-type diet'? > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >foods. Hard to argue with it once you've reduced it >down to veggies-good hard-to-prnoun-chemicals-bad. Well - I was talking more to diets to claim 'detox' as one of their key components... I wouldn't really say that Atkins induction, eating organically necessarily fit that bill. Specifically, I was looking at diets that use water fasting, fruit fasting, and juicing with the reasoning that this doesn't put much load on the 'digestive system', giving it the time, energy, etc that it needs to 'detoxify' >Whether the body build toxicity and stores it in fat, >I think that's more a matter of perpective and how you >define your words. I think that part is unquestionable (some toxics are certainly stored in body fat). The real question to my mind is whether any special process is required to removes these toxins (such as fasting) or whether the body does just as good a job operating under 'normal' (non-fasting) conditions... > > > However... I can't really find any good, > > > scientific support for detoxification. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > stop smoking... worry about too much sun exposore.... or any genetic > predisposition to various cancers? Chuckle. There's a joke that folks in certain nations consider tobacco to be a vegitable. So starting to smoke would be a toxification diet. Given that extremely stretched definition, quiting smoking would be detoxification. I don't think doing a detox in one item justifies doing a tox in another item. > > > Just wondered what you guys think here. > > > Is it just a bunch of new-age hooey, or is [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > that generally, fruits and veggies have more toxics > and most meats, etc. That's why organic foods are becoming popular in markets. More and more folks think of that topic. > > > Anyone doing a 'detox-type diet'? > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > say that Atkins induction, eating organically > necessarily fit that bill. Induction is explicitly an unbalanced detox from previously unbalanced high carb eating patterns. This view appeared in the 1972, 1993 and 1999 editions. > Specifically, I was looking at diets that use water > fasting, fruit fasting, and juicing with the > reasoning that this doesn't put much load on the > 'digestive system', giving it the time, energy, etc > that it needs to 'detoxify' There are more extreme ones than Induction, to be sure. Like Induction they tend to be short term. > > Whether the body build toxicity and stores it in fat, > > I think that's more a matter of perpective and how you [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > or whether the body does just as good a job > operating under 'normal' (non-fasting) conditions... Depends on how you view it. To some extent modern foods supposedly block the body's natural removal. So a detox plan could be anywhere from removing the blocking foods through replacing blocking foods with ones that support the natural removal. That supposedly is in there because I'm doubious about the definitions. Excess sugar intake for decades can trigger hyer-insulin and eventually burn out the pancreas and turn a person diabetic. Does that make sugar "toxic"? Sorta. Just how toxic is whatever gets stored in excess body fat? I don't know. I do know that when folks who have a lot to lose change their foods and start dropping rapidly (whatever plan they use to do so) bizzare symptoms appear and then go away again. Folks tend to say this is from release of toxins. Maybe. Whatever causes the trend, it is wierd but predictable. So back to detox plans - They tend to be short term. I worry a lot more about falling completely off plan and regaining than I do about short term stuff. As long as you do short term stuff within a long term framework, great stuff. If you hope that a single shot anything will solve a long term problem, it won't no matter what it is. Processes that have detox in their names very often only last a couple of weeks. Treat one as a bootcamp to start a long term plan and I'll cheer. Treat one as a magic bullet, and I'll sigh. > Wow - I didn't realize that there were so many 'detox' > (detoxification) diets out there. I became interested in finding out [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Thanks for you help! No. It's useless and get with the wrong program and you can die. |
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