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Lori - 25 Mar 2005 01:43 GMT > I am wondering... are turkey hamburger better for your diet compared to > beef > hamburger? Please help! Jim Waggener - 25 Mar 2005 02:32 GMT >> I am wondering... are turkey hamburger better for your diet compared to >> beef >> hamburger? Please help! It is leaner..just about zero fat. So yes, it is better than even lean hamburger.
joni - 26 Mar 2005 22:49 GMT > >> I am wondering... are turkey hamburger better for your diet > >> compared to beef hamburger? Please help! > > It is leaner..just about zero fat. So yes, it is better than > even lean hamburger. Zero fat!? In a turkey burger? Are you kidding? Some have 10x what very lean (97%) hamburger meat has. Dont kid yourself, it really depends on the maker of the turkey burger. Many, if not most, use the dark fatty cheaper meat instead of the turkey breast which is the leanest. So check your labels!! http://tinyurl.com/7xlyq Note on that link the turkey burgers range in fat content from 1gram to 65grams! Ouch!
Now if you want absolutely no fat in a burger try the brands Boca Burger or Morningstar Farms or Garden Burgers made from ground soy. They come in all different flavors (onion,garlic,etc) and are quite tasty. http://www.bocaburger.com
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Andy - 27 Mar 2005 00:50 GMT "joni" <jgrrl2@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1111873787.744429.185220 @z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
> Now if you want absolutely no fat in a burger try the brands Boca > Burger or Morningstar Farms or Garden Burgers made from ground soy. > They come in all different flavors (onion,garlic,etc) and are quite > tasty. You know, you can reach a point in dieting where the real thing every so often is actually better (safer!) than the dietic alternative, depending on how much processing/poison goes into each.
For example, a margerine company's studies don't show that margarine is better for you than butter taking the additives into consideration. But they don't care about your diet at large anyway, they make fat!
You get the idea.
Andy
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Ignoramus29808 - 27 Mar 2005 05:43 GMT I find this discussion about how lean turkey meat is better because it has no fat, to be somewhat amusing to me personally. If I ate hamburgers, I would choose the fattiest hamburger, eat the meat and skip the bun. The exact opposite of preferring the lean turkey hamburger.
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Polar Light - 27 Mar 2005 09:24 GMT >I find this discussion about how lean turkey meat is better because it > has no fat, to be somewhat amusing to me personally. If I ate [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > i > still not dead from heart attack I'd be looking at the fat content too, not because I'm afraid of a heart attack but because fat has over twice as many cals as P & C and generally does not provide any nutritional value, just extra empty cals to contend with, the exception being EFAs but you don't find them in burgers of any kind. Buns are not good for losing weight either, only empty cals & there are more wortwhile starchy things around.
You sound like a LCer, I believe in trying everything & have tried LC too on several occasions but have found it's just not for me after a few unpleasant experiences. As they all say, YMMV.
Chris Braun - 27 Mar 2005 13:54 GMT >>I find this discussion about how lean turkey meat is better because it >> has no fat, to be somewhat amusing to me personally. If I ate [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >several occasions but have found it's just not for me after a few unpleasant >experiences. As they all say, YMMV. I also watch fat only because it adds unneeded calories, not because I'm a low-fat dieter per se. I also find that too much dietary fat, for me, leads to gastric upset, and besides I don't like the mouth feel of really greasy food. And I enjoy my burgers more in a bun or English muffin.
I don't see any point in being "amused" by other people's food choices. It sounds kind of patronizing.
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Polar Light - 27 Mar 2005 19:57 GMT >>>I find this discussion about how lean turkey meat is better because it >>> has no fat, to be somewhat amusing to me personally. If I ate [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > feel of really greasy food. And I enjoy my burgers more in a bun or > English muffin. I don't like the taste of grease either & if I was going to make a high fat choice I'd go for something like some full fat cheese, oil-based salad dressings, pesto sauce with olive oil & pine nuts, cashew nuts... fatty meat is certainly not near the top of the list...
> I don't see any point in being "amused" by other people's food > choices. It sounds kind of patronizing.
> Chris Agreed 100%, there are many WOEs & we all know they're all different, not to mention individual tastes in food.
> 262/130s/130s > started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004 Nunya B. - 27 Mar 2005 18:42 GMT >>I find this discussion about how lean turkey meat is better because it >> has no fat, to be somewhat amusing to me personally. If I ate [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > on several occasions but have found it's just not for me after a few > unpleasant experiences. As they all say, YMMV. My DH loves hamburgers. Over time he has stopped eating the buns (saving a few empty cals) and because he only eats one 4 oz patty at a time I get the 97% lean meat that I grind myself. I like turkey burgers - I load them with chopped veggies - but I do grind them myself from turkey breast to insure there's no skin or added fat. I can then choose the fat I add, like avocado, which is healthier than the saturated fat in beef.
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Andy - 27 Mar 2005 21:06 GMT >>>I find this discussion about how lean turkey meat is better because >>>it [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > can then choose the fat I add, like avocado, which is healthier than > the saturated fat in beef. From GuinnessWorldRecords.com:
Most Nutritive Fruit An analysis of 38 fruits commonly eaten raw (as opposed to dried) shows the avocado (Persea americana) has the highest calorific value, with 163 kilocalories per edible 100 g. (741 kcal./lb.).
Avocado is good fat, but a lot of it!
Andy
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Nunya B. - 27 Mar 2005 21:32 GMT >>>>I find this discussion about how lean turkey meat is better because >>>>it [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > Avocado is good fat, but a lot of it! a little goes a long way...
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Chris Braun - 27 Mar 2005 02:58 GMT >Zero fat!? In a turkey burger? Are you kidding? Some have 10x what very >lean (97%) hamburger meat has. Dont kid yourself, it really depends on [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Note on that link the turkey burgers range in fat content from 1gram to >65grams! Ouch! I noticed the zero fat comment too and meant to question it. But I don't understand about the 65 gram version. I didn't follow all of the links to see which one that was, but I'm sure it's a complete sandwich with lots of other fattening stuff in it like cheese and mayonnaise, not just the turkey patty. 65 grams of fat would be 585 calories just in fat -- more than any kind of meat patty would have.
The turkey burgers I eat are pre-made -- a brand called Jennie-O. Each has 160 calories and 9g of fat (and 0g carbs, 19g protein). Those made of just turkey breast, as you note, are lower in fat, but can be kind of dry.
>Now if you want absolutely no fat in a burger try the brands Boca >Burger or Morningstar Farms or Garden Burgers made from ground soy. >They come in all different flavors (onion,garlic,etc) and are quite >tasty. http://www.bocaburger.com I think most soy-based burgers that I've bought have a little fat. The Gardenburger Flame Grilled Burgers that I have in my freezer have 120 calories and 4g fat (and 7g carbs, 14g protein). For a low-carber (which I'm not) this would perhaps be a less favorable choice than the turkey burger. I eat both, myself.
Chris 262/130s/130s started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004
Lori - 27 Mar 2005 14:17 GMT Alrighty... Thanks for all the ideas... gives me some idea to think about. Sure will be a change for me as I've always had meat. But then I can always learn to like them if I'm determined.. I had turkey burger before and they are not all that bad at all. Lori
>>Zero fat!? In a turkey burger? Are you kidding? Some have 10x what very >>lean (97%) hamburger meat has. Dont kid yourself, it really depends on [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > 262/130s/130s > started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004 Nunya B. - 27 Mar 2005 18:47 GMT > Alrighty... Thanks for all the ideas... gives me some idea to think about. > Sure will be a change for me as I've always had meat. But then I can > always learn to like them if I'm determined.. I had turkey burger before > and they are not all that bad at all. > Lori Turkey burgers have an advantage in that in general turkey is a lightly flavored meat. This means you can enhance the flavor with fresh herbs or finely chopped vegetables mixed into the meat. I use a food processor to grind turkey breast and will occasionally throw in some freshly roasted red pepper, cilantro, and cumin to make a southwestern style turkey burger.
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Ignoramus5106 - 25 Mar 2005 03:06 GMT >> I am wondering... are turkey hamburger better for your diet >> compared to beef hamburger? Please help! It depends on what food offers the most satiety per given number of calories.
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Dr_Dickie - 30 Mar 2005 14:35 GMT > > I am wondering... are turkey hamburger better for your diet compared to > > beef > > hamburger? Please help! Turkey is generally very low in fat (I love the stuff), that makes is generally pound for pound lower in calories. So, if you are looking for calorie restriction, and want to keep some bulk to your food, substituting turkey is not bad. Note that fat is not bad for you (although I agree that with the way they feed animals today their fat profile tends to be heavier in the low chain saturated fats and even more trans fats--both not the best fats for you cholesterol levels); even so, moderation covers a multitude of sins. Many people find greater satiety in fat (note: this is the miracle of the Atkins diet--self control of calories; Atkins was not correct in whole lot of what he believed, but he did accidentally stumble into a diet that had been used for years by epileptics and does help a lot of people). In the end it is your call, it really depends on what the rest of your diet is, and how the turkey burger will impact your calories overall (how's that for a definitive answer ;-)
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avid - 30 Mar 2005 16:25 GMT > been used for years by epileptics Can I get some more information on this?? I have been diagnosed with "visual" epilepsy and we haven't been able to track down what triggers it. That's one of the motivations for my weight loss, to see if it makes a difference. Thanks!
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> > > I am wondering... are turkey hamburger better for your diet compared to > > > beef [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > is, and how the turkey burger will impact your calories overall (how's that > for a definitive answer ;-) Dr_Dickie - 30 Mar 2005 17:56 GMT > > been used for years by epileptics > Can I get some more information on this?? I have been diagnosed with [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > eat less, move more > 225/210/160 Google Ketosis and Epilepsy Here's a hit to get you started: http://www.epilepsy.org.uk/info/ketogenic.html http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/bb/neuro/neuro00/web1/Webster.html
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Andy - 30 Mar 2005 18:26 GMT > Can I get some more information on this?? I have been diagnosed with > "visual" epilepsy and we haven't been able to track down what triggers > it. That's one of the motivations for my weight loss, to see if it > makes a difference. Thanks! > > Mel Mel,
I might be way off-base but my sister had something like that and removing caffiene from her diet, coffee, sodas, etc. solved it. I forget what she called it. It's been a decade or more.
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Andy
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Wendy - 30 Mar 2005 22:58 GMT I am glad to hear cucumbers are at the bottom of the list......I love cucumbers, they smell and taste delicious. Good to know I can eat them to excess. : )
Wendy
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