Is it carbs or protein? Do people eat something different before weight
lifting versus running? How far in advance do you eat? If you eat a
'power' bar, what brand do you prefer? Thanks!
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Ignoramus15970 - 25 Mar 2005 21:29 GMT
My vote is for "it does not matter, normally". The result of exercise
is overwhelmingly dependent on exercise and not food eaten immediately
before or after it.

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DZ - 25 Mar 2005 22:43 GMT
> My vote is for "it does not matter, normally". The result of exercise
> is overwhelmingly dependent on exercise and not food eaten immediately
> before or after it.
If you're on caloric restiriction of some kind the best time is around
exercise (shortly after). This matters especially if you'd like to
preserve or increase muscle via resistance training. There were
studies showing there is a time window during which the protein
synthesis is most effective and it is not that long - only some 2
hours after the exercise.
DZ
Ignoramus15970 - 26 Mar 2005 02:20 GMT
>> My vote is for "it does not matter, normally". The result of exercise
>> is overwhelmingly dependent on exercise and not food eaten immediately
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> synthesis is most effective and it is not that long - only some 2
> hours after the exercise.
How big of a difference does it make? Does it make a large difference
-- quantitatively -- or is that difference small?

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DZ - 30 Mar 2005 08:43 GMT
>>> My vote is for "it does not matter, normally". The result of exercise
>>> is overwhelmingly dependent on exercise and not food eaten immediately
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> How big of a difference does it make? Does it make a large difference
> -- quantitatively -- or is that difference small?
There was a study that didn't find any increase in muscle mass unless
protein-containing food was taken within 2 hours after the exercise.
But that study was done on old people [*]:
So, in this case the difference is large.
I'd speculate that if you're not "elderly" AND on caloric restriction
(or eating intermittently) the effect would be similar - the effect of
timing would be large. I've made some good fitness-related progress
while eating mostly once a day, perhaps due to such schedule - train
daily 9-10 to 11pm, then eat (and watch Letterman - actually, maybe
that's the key).
* Esmarck B et al. 2001 Timing of postexercise protein intake is
important for muscle hypertrophy with resistance training in elderly
humans. J Physiol (Lond) 535:301-311.
Chris Braun - 26 Mar 2005 00:45 GMT
>My vote is for "it does not matter, normally". The result of exercise
>is overwhelmingly dependent on exercise and not food eaten immediately
>before or after it.
I find that my weight lifting performance is poorer on an empty
stomach. I try to eat something that combines protein and carbs
(roughly 200 calories worth) a couple of hours beforehand. It's also
considered important for muscle development to consume some protein
within the two hours after lifting. I try to do this, but don't
always manage it. I don't see a direct cause/effect relationship like
I do if I fail to eat before I lift.
If I run on an empty stomach I can get a little lightheaded and
queasy. I try to have something with some carbs an hour or so
beforehand. If I'm running upwards of 45 minutes I'll sometimes sip a
Power Ade during the exercise. (I really can't do exercise in the
morning before I have anything to eat. I tend to black out. If I
work out early I drink a protein shake -- which also has plenty of
carbs -- on the way to the gym.)
I think there are a lot of individual differences in this. See what
works best for you.
Chris
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started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004
Beverly - 25 Mar 2005 21:35 GMT
> Is it carbs or protein? Do people eat something different before weight
> lifting versus running? How far in advance do you eat? If you eat a
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> eat less, move more
> 225/214/160
IMHO is depends largely on the type and length of exercise. I wouldn't
dream of starting a long bike ride (30+ miles) without my usual oatmeal
breakfast about an hour beforehand. I don't worry as much about nutrition
when I'm going to run on the treadmill for 30 minutes. Of course the
treadmill is only a few feet from the kitchen<g>
I don't normally eat the power bars before exercise but always have some in
my bike bag for out on the trail. The last thing I want to do is run out of
energy several miles from home.
Beverly
Succorso - 25 Mar 2005 22:00 GMT
> Is it carbs or protein? Do people eat something different before weight
> lifting versus running? How far in advance do you eat? If you eat a
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> eat less, move more
> 225/214/160
If the "exercise" is the gym, then nothing. I'll barf if I eat before
doing heavy cardio then weights.
If the exercise is just a walk or bike ride, then something low GI carb
(Oatmeal, whole grain bread, whole wheat pasta) based works best for me,
YMMV. Decent low GI carbs will do fine for a 100 mile bike ride; I save
the protein for when I get home.
--
Chris
Phil M. - 25 Mar 2005 22:52 GMT
Leafing through alt.support.diet, I read a message from avid@learner.org
of 25 Mar 2005:
> Is it carbs or protein? Do people eat something different before
> weight lifting versus running? How far in advance do you eat? If you
> eat a 'power' bar, what brand do you prefer? Thanks!
After years of trial and error, it depends (doesn't it always?) on what
distance and/or intensity I'll be running. If I'm running an easy 5 to 8
miles, then I take nothing extra before or during the run, other than
about 16 oz of water imediately before. If I'm running 10 to 20+ miles,
then I'll have carbs about 1 to 1.5 hours before the run. Usually either
a plain bagel (sometimes with jam, never butter), or a banana, or a
Clifbar, or a Trailmix bar washed down with about 16 oz of a sports drink
(Cytomax, Accelerade). Then 5 minutes before the start of the run I'll
have another 20 oz of sports drink mainly for the fluids, but also for
the additional calories for energy and electrolyes for a proper sodium
balance. The reason for the carbs is that I need energy that can be used
for the run within the next hour to 2 hours. Fat or protein would likley
not be available for energy until later, and it's not as easily
digestible. Then depending on the heat during the run I'll have 10 oz of
sports drink every 2 miles. Maybe more if its warm. Then when I'm
finished I make sure I get some carbs, protein, and fluids so that my
body can immediately start recovering. My favorite post-long-run drink is
Slim-fast protein shake made with a can of slim-fast, scoop of whey
protein, skim milk, and a banana.
Phil M.

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avid - 30 Mar 2005 16:30 GMT
Thank you all for your informative responses!
Mel
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> Is it carbs or protein? Do people eat something different before weight
> lifting versus running? How far in advance do you eat? If you eat a
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> eat less, move more
> 225/214/160