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MadJock - 11 Nov 2003 15:44 GMT
Sorry guys.  I kinda went off the diet there for a couple of weeks.  Uni
work is getting on top of me.  However, I am back, and I am going to *post
regularly* to keep me on the rails.

The good news is that I haven't *gained* any weight - I am still 188lbs.  I
must have learnt something - and even when I wasn't following my diet, I did
not touch sugary soft drinks and had very few crisps - my two worst habits.
Beer is my third, but even when I'm on the diet, I still allow myself a beer
at the weekend.

So I need your support.  Everyone around me is eating rolls with fatty
fillings (sausage, haggis and black pudding - which I think is called blood
sausage in the US - are normal).  I sit with my tuna sandwich which,
although very tasty, doesn't give me the same satisfaction as a roll and
haggis does.

One thing I discovered yesterday though is cabbage.  Cabbage fills me up,
gives me a lot of fibre, and has hardly any calories associated with it.  I
think I'll be eating a lot more cabbage.

So yes.  Back again!

MadJock
204/188/165
Ignoramus19587 - 11 Nov 2003 15:50 GMT
Good job so far madjock. I remember that you are a big guy, 6'1" or
something (183 cm). Am I wrong? If I am right, then you are doing
great.

You can also have those sausages in dough, just eat very
little. Although I would personally not eat them as that stuff is too
irresistible.

Is the bartender woman now paying more attention to you?

i
223/175/180

> Sorry guys.  I kinda went off the diet there for a couple of weeks.  Uni
> work is getting on top of me.  However, I am back, and I am going to *post
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> MadJock
> 204/188/165
MadJock - 11 Nov 2003 16:04 GMT
Well, you can class me as a big guy if you want.  I'm 5'9" - which I realise
isn't small, but it's not that big.  I'll be happy when I get to 170lb - by
then I will no longer be classed as overweight by doctors.  But I'll see if
I want to continue losing weight then.  I don't know yet.

'Sausages in dough' is a better name for those fatty rolls . . . sounds a
lot less appetising :)  I *can* keep away from them, but here it is
difficult for me to buy something healthy for lunch (would you believe it?).
If I don't make my sandwiches in the morning, which is easily done as I have
to leave the house at 7am, then I want to be able to buy something in the
city (Glasgow, Scotland).

The easiest and cheapest thing is sausages in dough.  All of the premade
sandwiches seem to have mayonnaise in them.  I don't want mayonnaise - I'd
rather spend those calories on something else.  So, maybe pasta - but it's
about three times the price for the same hunger satisfaction.  Mibbe I
should just remember to make my sandwiches in the morning.

And i - I have *never* had any problem with attention from the young ladies
behind the bar :P

MadJock

> Good job so far madjock. I remember that you are a big guy, 6'1" or
> something (183 cm). Am I wrong? If I am right, then you are doing
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> > MadJock
> > 204/188/165
Ignoramus19587 - 11 Nov 2003 16:47 GMT
> Well, you can class me as a big guy if you want.  I'm 5'9" - which I realise
> isn't small, but it's not that big.  I'll be happy when I get to 170lb - by
> then I will no longer be classed as overweight by doctors.  But I'll see if
> I want to continue losing weight then.  I don't know yet.

Oh, I see. 5'9" is great height, but obviously I got you confused with
someone else. Getting to normal weight is a very laudable goal.

> 'Sausages in dough' is a better name for those fatty rolls . . . sounds a
> lot less appetising :)  I *can* keep away from them, but here it is
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> And i - I have *never* had any problem with attention from the young ladies
> behind the bar :P

that's great also.

i

> MadJock
>
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>> > MadJock
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roxan - 11 Nov 2003 19:00 GMT
Make your sandwiches before you go to bed at night and it will be ready for
you in the morning. I do this all the time.
Roxan
> Well, you can class me as a big guy if you want.  I'm 5'9" - which I realise
> isn't small, but it's not that big.  I'll be happy when I get to 170lb - by
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> > > 204/188/165
Beverly - 11 Nov 2003 16:25 GMT
> Sorry guys.  I kinda went off the diet there for a couple of weeks.  Uni
> work is getting on top of me.  However, I am back, and I am going to *post
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> MadJock
> 204/188/165

Welcome back.  Taking a couple of weeks off and maintaining the weight is
great.

I was curious about the haggis and black pudding.  After reading about the
black pudding I know I would have no problem sticking with the tuna<G>

Beverly
MadJock - 11 Nov 2003 16:46 GMT
Black pudding is great!  Haggis is better though . . . once you catch the
thing.

MadJock

> Welcome back.  Taking a couple of weeks off and maintaining the weight is
> great.
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>
> Beverly
janice - 11 Nov 2003 19:01 GMT
>Black pudding is great!  Haggis is better though . . . once you catch the
>thing.
>
>MadJock

I've heard about the haggises that live on the steep hillsides in
Scotland and develop two legs longer than the other two, so they can
walk around and grase on the hillsides more easily.  Of course, they
always have to go the same way round the hill.
Is this true or just an urban legend?
janice
Beverly - 11 Nov 2003 19:17 GMT
> >Black pudding is great!  Haggis is better though . . . once you catch the
> >thing.
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> Is this true or just an urban legend?
> janice

I'm interested in knowing this, too.  Here's a website I found when I was
researching earlier.

http://www.electricscotland.com/haggis/
janice - 11 Nov 2003 21:28 GMT
>> >Black pudding is great!  Haggis is better though . . . once you catch
>the
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>I'm interested in knowing this, too.  Here's a website I found when I was
>researching earlier.

>http://www.electricscotland.com/haggis/

LOL  - thanks Beverly.  I hadn't seen this one before.  I swear the
haggis I saw had 4 legs, but there you go!
janice
MadJock - 11 Nov 2003 19:47 GMT
> I've heard about the haggises that live on the steep hillsides in
> Scotland and develop two legs longer than the other two, so they can
> walk around and grase on the hillsides more easily.  Of course, they
> always have to go the same way round the hill.
> Is this true or just an urban legend?
> janice

It's true, but the plural of haggis is haggii.

MadJock
janice - 11 Nov 2003 21:26 GMT
>> I've heard about the haggises that live on the steep hillsides in
>> Scotland and develop two legs longer than the other two, so they can
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>
>MadJock

Oops, I stand corrected!
janice
MadJock - 11 Nov 2003 21:59 GMT
> >> I've heard about the haggises that live on the steep hillsides in
> >> Scotland and develop two legs longer than the other two, so they can
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> Oops, I stand corrected!
> janice

. . . it was just a joke
janice - 12 Nov 2003 07:02 GMT
>> >> I've heard about the haggises that live on the steep hillsides in
>> >> Scotland and develop two legs longer than the other two, so they can
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>
>. . . it was just a joke

Hey, it was taken as one - in fact it gave me a good laugh.  Hence my
exclamation mark.
janice
Beverly - 13 Nov 2003 02:31 GMT
> Black pudding is great!  Haggis is better though . . . once you catch the
> thing.
>
> MadJock

I understand they only live in Scotland.  If I ever get there I'll have to
try it :)  But I'll leave that blood pudding for someone else.

Beverly

> > Welcome back.  Taking a couple of weeks off and maintaining the weight is
> > great.
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> >
> > Beverly
MadJock - 13 Nov 2003 15:10 GMT
> I understand they only live in Scotland.  If I ever get there I'll have to
> try it :)  But I'll leave that blood pudding for someone else.

I'd be very surprised if you couldn't get them in the US.

MadJock
204/183/165
Beverly - 13 Nov 2003 15:14 GMT
> > I understand they only live in Scotland.  If I ever get there I'll have to
> > try it :)  But I'll leave that blood pudding for someone else.
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> MadJock
> 204/183/165

I was referring to the animal.  I thought they only lived in Scotland ??
janice - 13 Nov 2003 15:36 GMT
>> > I understand they only live in Scotland.  If I ever get there I'll have
>to
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>>
>I was referring to the animal.  I thought they only lived in Scotland ??

Beverly, I think you're right.  I believe the US Food & Drugs
Administration won't allow them to be imported live :))
janice
Wendy - 13 Nov 2003 17:25 GMT
>>> I'd be very surprised if you couldn't get them in the US.
>>>
>>I was referring to the animal.  I thought they only lived in Scotland ??

> Beverly, I think you're right.  I believe the US Food & Drugs
> Administration won't allow them to be imported live :))

Sure they are.  You have to hunt for them, though.  They're right next to
the snape.

Wendy
MH - 14 Nov 2003 03:53 GMT
> >>> I'd be very surprised if you couldn't get them in the US.
> >>>
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>
> Wendy

You mean the snipe? : )

Martha
janice - 11 Nov 2003 19:00 GMT
>I was curious about the haggis and black pudding.  After reading about the
>black pudding I know I would have no problem sticking with the tuna<G>
>
>Beverly

Nor would I.  It is my considered opinion that there is no more
disgusting food in the world than black pudding.  It crops up on hotel
breakfast menus here in the UK (don't know if you have it in the US).
How people can eat it, I don't know.  I've only tried haggis a couple
of times, being a Scottish dish we don't find it on offer so much in
London.  It was OK, but I could quite easily live without it.
janice
Beverly - 11 Nov 2003 19:15 GMT
> >I was curious about the haggis and black pudding.  After reading about the
> >black pudding I know I would have no problem sticking with the tuna<G>
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> London.  It was OK, but I could quite easily live without it.
> janice

I've never seen it on any menu in the US and if I do I'll be sure and leave
that establishment immediately :)  I think I could try the haggis.

Beverly
Ignoramus19587 - 11 Nov 2003 19:25 GMT
What is black pudding?

i

>>I was curious about the haggis and black pudding.  After reading about the
>>black pudding I know I would have no problem sticking with the tuna<G>
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> London.  It was OK, but I could quite easily live without it.
> janice
MadJock - 11 Nov 2003 19:53 GMT
> What is black pudding?
>
> i

It's a mixture of cereals with cow blood cooked until it turns black.  These
kind of things were invented as peasant foods to begin with, but are still
very popular in Scotland.  Another thing Scotland is famous for is porridge,
for the exact same reason.  We still eat it all the time.

This is unrelated, but interesting.  A sandwich in Scotland is called a
'piece'.  This is because the wives used to cook porridge, and leave it to
cool, when it would become quite hard.  They would then cut off a 'piece'
and give it to their men (husbands and sons) to take to work with them.  As
Scotland became richer, it became less common to take porridge to work, and
sandwiches were taken.  But people still called it their 'piece'.

So you can get a piece 'n' sausage, piece 'n' black puddin' and a piece 'n'
haggis.

MadJock
Ignoramus19587 - 11 Nov 2003 20:18 GMT
I think that beef blood with porridge actually would taste
delicious. It is my kind of food.

i
223/175/180

>> What is black pudding?
>>
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>
> MadJock
Julianne - 11 Nov 2003 20:35 GMT
> I think that beef blood with porridge actually would taste
> delicious. It is my kind of food.
>
> i
> 223/175/180

That is sooo gross.  Here we just eat blood sausage and suck the heads of
boiled crustations.  Thank Goodness we are more civilized than blood
pudding:)

> >> What is black pudding?
> >>
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> >
> > MadJock
Beverly - 11 Nov 2003 21:22 GMT
> > I think that beef blood with porridge actually would taste
> > delicious. It is my kind of food.
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> boiled crustations.  Thank Goodness we are more civilized than blood
> pudding:)

Another disgusting food that comes to mind is pickled pigs feet.  I have to
admit that as a young dumb child I tried these<g>  I don't think I could
stomach looking at them in the jar now that I'm older.

Beverly

> > >> What is black pudding?
> > >>
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> > >
> > > MadJock
Ignoramus19587 - 11 Nov 2003 21:24 GMT
>> > I think that beef blood with porridge actually would taste
>> > delicious. It is my kind of food.
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>> boiled crustations.  Thank Goodness we are more civilized than blood
>> pudding:)

I ate fried blood and it is most delicious.

> Another disgusting food that comes to mind is pickled pigs feet.  I

now that is disgusting indeed.

By the way, what do you think is gelatine?

i

> have to admit that as a young dumb child I tried these<g> I don't
> think I could stomach looking at them in the jar now that I'm older.
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>> > >
>> > > MadJock
Beverly - 11 Nov 2003 21:48 GMT
> >> > I think that beef blood with porridge actually would taste
> >> > delicious. It is my kind of food.
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>
> i

http://www.vinayakcorporation.com/gelatine.htm

> > have to admit that as a young dumb child I tried these<g> I don't
> > think I could stomach looking at them in the jar now that I'm older.
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> >> > >
> >> > > MadJock
Wendy - 13 Nov 2003 17:29 GMT
> Another thing Scotland is famous for is porridge,
> for the exact same reason.  We still eat it all the time.

My two favorite breakfast foods are oatmeal porridge and bagels with
lox.  One of my grandmothers is a Scot and the other was a yiddish
speaking Jew.  (This is a common American sort of thing to happen.)  I get
both heritages.  :-)

> As
> Scotland became richer, it became less common to take porridge to work, and
> sandwiches were taken.  But people still called it their 'piece'.

I dinna kin this!  Thanks for explaining it.  (It was a mitzvah.)  :-)

Ever eat head cheese?  We used to raise goats and were thrifty with all
parts.  (With one Scottish grandmother and one Jewish grandmother you can
darn well bet that I was brought up thrifty.)

Wendy
MadJock - 14 Nov 2003 11:52 GMT
> Ever eat head cheese?  We used to raise goats and were thrifty with all
> parts.  (With one Scottish grandmother and one Jewish grandmother you can
> darn well bet that I was brought up thrifty.)
>
> Wendy

I've never even HEARD of head cheese.  What is it?

MadJock
204/185/165
Beverly - 14 Nov 2003 13:52 GMT
> > Ever eat head cheese?  We used to raise goats and were thrifty with all
> > parts.  (With one Scottish grandmother and one Jewish grandmother you can
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>
> I've never even HEARD of head cheese.  What is it?

http://www.foodreference.com/html/fheadcheese.html

My dad ate this.  I've sampled it but didn't care for it.

> MadJock
> 204/185/165
Ignoramus26064 - 14 Nov 2003 14:11 GMT
>> Ever eat head cheese?  We used to raise goats and were thrifty with all
>> parts.  (With one Scottish grandmother and one Jewish grandmother you can
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>
> I've never even HEARD of head cheese.  What is it?

sausage made of throwaway parts of the pig. feet, some skin, some
cartilage, that kind of stuff. It is boiled for many hours and then as
it cools, it gels and is packed in sausage type form.

i

> MadJock
> 204/185/165
Wendy - 14 Nov 2003 15:28 GMT
>>> Ever eat head cheese?  We used to raise goats and were thrifty with all
>>> parts.  (With one Scottish grandmother and one Jewish grandmother you can
>>> darn well bet that I was brought up thrifty.)

>> I've never even HEARD of head cheese.  What is it?

> sausage made of throwaway parts of the pig. feet, some skin, some
> cartilage, that kind of stuff. It is boiled for many hours and then as
> it cools, it gels and is packed in sausage type form.

We used a goat.  You throw in the head (and brains) and anything else you
have left over.  It's a good way to get Creudsfelt Jacobz disease if you
ask me.

Wendy, who is sure she didn't spell that right.
Ignoramus26064 - 14 Nov 2003 16:43 GMT
>>>> Ever eat head cheese?  We used to raise goats and were thrifty with all
>>>> parts.  (With one Scottish grandmother and one Jewish grandmother you can
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>
> Wendy, who is sure she didn't spell that right.

creutzfeldt jacobs.

Animals only get that disease if you feed them with animal feed
prepared from other animals. If it was a goat who lived in your yard
and ate grass etc, you are fine.

i
Wendy - 14 Nov 2003 16:21 GMT
> creutzfeldt jacobs.

> Animals only get that disease if you feed them with animal feed
> prepared from other animals. If it was a goat who lived in your yard
> and ate grass etc, you are fine.

So why are deer hunters in Wisconsin/Michigan getting it?
And why do ritualistic cannibals who eat the brains of their departed
loved ones get it?  And why do gardners who use bone meal (from
skulls) on their roses get it?

I don't know, but I'm avoiding all brains/neural tissue in my diet.  So
far I've found this amazingly easy to do.

Wendy
Ignoramus26064 - 14 Nov 2003 17:24 GMT
>> creutzfeldt jacobs.
>
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>
> So why are deer hunters in Wisconsin/Michigan getting it?

the deer kiss each other. I am not kidding. They supposedly tranmit it
by kissing.

> And why do ritualistic cannibals who eat the brains of their departed
> loved ones get it?  And why do gardners who use bone meal (from
> skulls) on their roses get it?
>
> I don't know, but I'm avoiding all brains/neural tissue in my diet.  So
> far I've found this amazingly easy to do.

As I have not seen any brains for sale, I also find it easy:)

i
jmk - 17 Nov 2003 13:51 GMT
>>>creutzfeldt jacobs.
>>
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> the deer kiss each other. I am not kidding. They supposedly tranmit it
> by kissing.

So, Ig, is the disease transmitted by eating brains of infected animals
or by kissing then?  Do you mean BSE (mad cow disease, vCJD in humans)

>>And why do ritualistic cannibals who eat the brains of their departed
>>loved ones get it?  And why do gardners who use bone meal (from
>>skulls) on their roses get it?
>>
>>I don't know, but I'm avoiding all brains/neural tissue in my diet.  So
>>far I've found this amazingly easy to do.

I'm with you, Wendy!

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jmk in NC

Ignoramus14460 - 17 Nov 2003 14:18 GMT
>>>>creutzfeldt jacobs.
>>>
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> So, Ig, is the disease transmitted by eating brains of infected animals
> or by kissing then?  Do you mean BSE (mad cow disease, vCJD in humans)

The deer disease that I mentioned, is spread by kissing, and to date
there has not been a single case of a humen being infected with the
deer disease.

i
Jennifer A - 14 Nov 2003 18:24 GMT
> So why are deer hunters in Wisconsin/Michigan getting it?
> And why do ritualistic cannibals who eat the brains of their departed
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>
> Wendy

Wendy,
I'm in Wisconsin and last year there were 3 suspected cases of illness as a
result of eating CWD infected deer but no link has been able to be
established.  Not that I want to voluntarily eat one, but with the extensive
testing we're doing in the state it helps to know in what part of the state
it was taken.  CWD has not reached this far north (yet).

Jenn
Susan Jones-Anderson - 11 Nov 2003 16:31 GMT
WB MadJock, it's good to see you haven't lost all your focus.

Are you doing any exercise at all? It will help keep you on track and
focused I have found.
Take care and remember to read and post here EVERY day, it really does
help.

Susan
260/209/160

---
2month 3days 5:30hours of being smoke-free, 2,568 cigs not smoked,
$475.08 saved, 1wweek 1day 22:00hours of my life saved

> Sorry guys.  I kinda went off the diet there for a couple of weeks.  Uni
> work is getting on top of me.  However, I am back, and I am going to *post
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> MadJock
> 204/188/165
MadJock - 11 Nov 2003 16:45 GMT
Nope, no exercise.  I'm in my final year at uni, and I really don't think I
can find time for it.  I do use the stairs when I can though, and I do a lot
of running around during the day.

Uni isn't a 9-5 job unfortunately.  I come home and continue working until
late at night. . .

MadJock

PS thanks for your support!

> WB MadJock, it's good to see you haven't lost all your focus.
>
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> > MadJock
> > 204/188/165
Cellach - 11 Nov 2003 20:29 GMT
>From: "MadJock" nooooooooospam@blueyonder.co.uk

>So I need your support.  Everyone around me is eating rolls with fatty
>fillings (sausage, haggis and black pudding - which I think is called blood
>sausage in the US - are normal).  I sit with my tuna sandwich which,
>although very tasty, doesn't give me the same satisfaction as a roll and
>haggis does.

Pssst...Jock - don't tell them what haggis is made of - black pudding is bad
enough in my opinion.....

And welcome back. I've had a really awaful week too - not eating-wise because
I've had no appetite - but with a friend in crisis. I haven't been posting, but
I managed to read a few posts which have definately helped keep the focus.

Cellach
Beverly - 11 Nov 2003 21:20 GMT
> >From: "MadJock" nooooooooospam@blueyonder.co.uk
>
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> Pssst...Jock - don't tell them what haggis is made of - black pudding is bad
> enough in my opinion.....

I don't think we'll have to worry about eating haggis in the US.  According
to this site the USDA declared them "unfit for human consumption".  I must
admit I find them a little easier to take than the blood pudding<g>  I'm
sure we have just as many local dishes you would find utterly disgusting,
too.

> And welcome back. I've had a really awaful week too - not eating-wise because
> I've had no appetite - but with a friend in crisis. I haven't been posting, but
> I managed to read a few posts which have definately helped keep the focus.
>
> Cellach
Beverly - 11 Nov 2003 21:43 GMT
http://www.gumbopages.com/food/scottish/haggis.html

Oops........  here's the site

> > >From: "MadJock" nooooooooospam@blueyonder.co.uk
> >
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> >
> > Cellach
MadJock - 11 Nov 2003 22:09 GMT
> I don't think we'll have to worry about eating haggis in the US.  According
> to this site the USDA declared them "unfit for human consumption".  I must
> admit I find them a little easier to take than the blood pudding<g>  I'm
> sure we have just as many local dishes you would find utterly disgusting,
> too.

They're only unfit for human consumption if they're made from dodgy
ingredients - the same as any food.  I'm sure you could find a dodgy haggis
if you looked for a dodgy butcher, but the haggii you buy in the shops these
days are NOT (contrary to popular belief) made inside sheep's stomachs, and
they are not made from any old meat crap you can find.  Selected beef and
pork organs are used - and, since this can be varied according to recipe,
they are listed on the ingredients tab.  Buying a haggis is no more or less
dangerous than buying liver or kidneys.

Same as anything - good ingredients = good food.  Saying haggis is unfit for
human consumption is saying the same for beef or chicken.  There is NOTHING
dangerous about eating a good quality haggis.

It may interest Americans to know that Scotland's leading supermarkets Asda
(Walmart) and Safeway have their own brands of haggis.

MadJock
Gloria - 11 Nov 2003 23:49 GMT
Welcome back! Glad you kept rather close  to the group and I've done
this too. There is so much to read that helps us even while we are
'away' !

glo
Beverly - 12 Nov 2003 12:55 GMT
> > I don't think we'll have to worry about eating haggis in the US.
> According
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>
> MadJock

I looked up recipes for haggis and saw the ingredients.  As I said earlier
I could probably eat this but will bypass the blood pudding.  Just the name
is enough to turn me off<g>.  The same goes for brains.  They may be good
but the name doesn't sound appetizing.

I seldom buy meat at the supermarkets.  Even though there are strict
regulations for the meat processing industry they're often ignored here.
There's a local meat market that raises, processes and sells their beef,
chicken and pork.  They've been in business for years and I can drive by
and see how the animals live. You can also tour the processing plant.
There's such a difference in the taste of their meat and the supermarket
meat.  Now if they would only start raising their own fish.
Ignoramus32131 - 12 Nov 2003 14:04 GMT
> I looked up recipes for haggis and saw the ingredients.  As I said earlier
> I could probably eat this but will bypass the blood pudding.  Just the name
> is enough to turn me off<g>.  The same goes for brains.  They may be good
> but the name doesn't sound appetizing.

Have you ever eaten them? They are delicious. The way to cook them is,
you cover pieces of brains with bread crumbs, and fry them. Very yummy
stuff.

I also like to eat hearts, liver, kidneys. All great stuff, although
possibly unhealthy in factory farm raised animals.

> I seldom buy meat at the supermarkets.  Even though there are strict
> regulations for the meat processing industry they're often ignored here.
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> There's such a difference in the taste of their meat and the supermarket
> meat.  Now if they would only start raising their own fish.

I wish I could buy milk straight from the cows (non processed and non
pasteurized). You would not believe just how much better such milk is.

i
Beverly - 12 Nov 2003 14:13 GMT
> > I looked up recipes for haggis and saw the ingredients.  As I said earlier
> > I could probably eat this but will bypass the blood pudding.  Just the name
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> you cover pieces of brains with bread crumbs, and fry them. Very yummy
> stuff.

My mother made them when I was a child and I never tried them.  They just
didn't look appetizing to me.  My step-father was a hunter and I learned at
a very early age not to eat any meat unless I had seen my mother take it
out of the butcher's wrapping and cook it.
This man would hunt and eat anything<g>.

> I also like to eat hearts, liver, kidneys. All great stuff, although
> possibly unhealthy in factory farm raised animals.

I love liver and chicken hearts.  Haven't tried the others.

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> I wish I could buy milk straight from the cows (non processed and non
> pasteurized). You would not believe just how much better such milk is.
>
> i

I lived on a dairy farm in my early teens so I know how that taste.  I also
know all the work involved in raising those darn cows.  My least favorite
chore was cleaning the barn and running the manure spreader.

Beverly
Ignoramus32131 - 12 Nov 2003 14:33 GMT
>> I wish I could buy milk straight from the cows (non processed and non
>> pasteurized). You would not believe just how much better such milk is.
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> know all the work involved in raising those darn cows.  My least favorite
> chore was cleaning the barn and running the manure spreader.

That's good. I remember how once I bought a big dump truck (3 tons) of
cow manure for our garden. It was a huge pile. So we had to carry that
manure for a whole day, in buckets, from that pile to where it was
supposed to be.

Now I have chickens and I have to clean their coop once a week. The
manure goes to the garden as well.

I always wondered what it is like to have cows...

i
rosie read and post - 12 Nov 2003 15:12 GMT
SWEETBREADS!
a very expensive german dish  on the menu here in the milwaukee,
wisconsin area!

> > Have you ever eaten them? They are delicious. The way to cook them is,
> > you cover pieces of brains with bread crumbs, and fry them. Very yummy
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>
> Beverly
Chris Braun - 12 Nov 2003 23:57 GMT
>SWEETBREADS!
>a very expensive german dish  on the menu here in the milwaukee,
>wisconsin area!

One of my favorites.  I don't particularly think of it as German, as
opposed to European in general.  I've had them in France a few times,
and at both French and German restaurants here -- as well as a fancy
American restaurant.

Chris
janice - 12 Nov 2003 21:06 GMT
>I also like to eat hearts, liver, kidneys. All great stuff, although
>possibly unhealthy in factory farm raised animals.

I used to eat offal regularly, but I don't really trust it nowadays
because so many of the drugs and hormones given to animals can reside
especially in the liver so I've rather given it up.  Perhaps free
range organic is OK but I find it much harder to trust the purity of
food than I used to (probably with good reason).

>I wish I could buy milk straight from the cows (non processed and non
>pasteurized). You would not believe just how much better such milk is.

I grew up in the country and the local farmer used to come round with
a pale and various measures and sell us the milk from the farm with no
treatment.  I remember my mother used to boil it for safety and this
resulted in the most delicious cream on the top.  Then some time in
the 1950s the law changed and it was no longer allowed to be sold like
this - had to be pasteurised and in bottles.  I remember being quite
sorry at the time.  I guess that's progress though.

janice
Perple Gyrl - 12 Nov 2003 00:58 GMT
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> Sorry guys.  I kinda went off the diet there for a couple of weeks.  Uni
> work is getting on top of me.  However, I am back, and I am going to *post
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> MadJock
> 204/188/165
Wendy - 13 Nov 2003 17:21 GMT
> So I need your support.  Everyone around me is eating rolls with fatty
> fillings (sausage, haggis and black pudding - which I think is called blood
> sausage in the US - are normal).  I sit with my tuna sandwich which,
> although very tasty, doesn't give me the same satisfaction as a roll and
> haggis does.

I've been *wanting* to be supportive.  I just can't identify with someone
who is yearning for his haggis and black pudding, not to mention
sausage.  Add head cheese to the mix and you've just described a sure-fire
menu to make me lose my appetite.

That said, I think you need to concentrate on remembering why you're
eating.  During weight-loss mode you have to really pay attention to
providing the best possible fuel for your body in a given calorie
budget.  Losing weight isn't easy - you really have to be a restrained
eater, not just one that KNOWS he has to be a restrained eater, but one
that really actually DOES restrain his eating.

You know what you want: you want to lose fat.  You know what you have to
do: you have to eat less and exercise more.  It's your choice: if you want
to lose the fat bad enough then you'll do what it takes to do it.

Wendy, munching on veggies & chicken breast
Ignoramus12517 - 13 Nov 2003 18:25 GMT
>> So I need your support.  Everyone around me is eating rolls with fatty
>> fillings (sausage, haggis and black pudding - which I think is called blood
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>
> Wendy, munching on veggies & chicken breast

I am sure that blood pudding has a lot of nutrients, actually.

i
MadJock - 14 Nov 2003 12:12 GMT
I think it was Ignoramus who was complaining about hunger pangs whilst on a
weight-maintenance diet.  This is not me.  To lose weight slowly, I don't
actually have to do a lot.  I have a fast metabolism for my size.  My weight
was caused by constant overeating.  My definition of hunger was not when I
was hungry - it was when I felt I could fit something else into my stomach.
Simply stopping that attitude means that I am losing weight, albeit at a
very slow rate.

So, the second thing for me was to cut out the sugary drinks.
Unfortunately, I LOVE Irn Bru (which incidentally was the most popular soft
drink in Scotland until a few years ago.  Scotland was the last country to
bow down to Coca-Cola) and I miss it.  I drink Diet Irn Bru which just isn't
the same.

The third thing I did was changing what I was eating.  If I am hungry now, I
choose something that is going to make me feel fuller for longer.  I like to
have a really low fat diet (I figure I have enough around my gut to last me
:) ) so perhaps this is why I crave the fatty sausages in dough.  My only
significant source of fat is meat.

Now - at the moment, I am looking to lose weight faster than I would by
following these rules.  It is only now that I am restraining my eating.  I
eat about half of my metabolic rate which should lose me about 3lb a week
(using very simple maths).  Although this is a tough diet, I am told that it
is not unhealthy because I am eating 8-10 times my weight in calories.

Weight: 185lb
Calorie budget: 1600
Metabolic rate: around 3000 calories/day
Fat/Protein/Carbs ratio = 2:3:5

Does this sound like a good plan?

MadJock
204/185/165

> I've been *wanting* to be supportive.  I just can't identify with someone
> who is yearning for his haggis and black pudding, not to mention
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>
> Wendy, munching on veggies & chicken breast
Wendy - 14 Nov 2003 15:34 GMT
> Weight: 185lb
> Calorie budget: 1600
> Metabolic rate: around 3000 calories/day
> Fat/Protein/Carbs ratio = 2:3:5

> Does this sound like a good plan?

> MadJock
> 204/185/165

I'd have aimed for 1800 calories but what with living in the real world
and everything I bet you'll land there anyway.  (Where did you get the
metabolism number?  Fitday is notoriously wrong there.)

What are you doing to help you maintain muscle mass as you lose
weight?  Remember, it's FAT you want to lose, not weight per se.
I forget, are you exercising?

The last thing is your goal of losing 3 pounds a week.  That's pretty
rapid weight loss and is likely to have to unhappy side effects.  One is
that you will be so deprived that you won't be interested in maintaining
your new diet regimen when you get to your target weight.  Another idea
is to eat the way you plan on eating in maintenance.

That slower weight loss will also help with giving your skin time to catch
up.  And it will also help with allowing your muscle mass to keep up.

Wendy
 
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