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jake - 23 Apr 2005 09:06 GMT
Hello,

I haven't been posting much lately, but I am reading.

I have a question. My plan is to eat 1800 kcals/day, which I have proven
to be able to do because I've been doing it for mobnths. My weight is
stable at that energy intake.

That past 2 days have been at 3100 en 2100 kcals, though. I caved in to
nuts and cheese.  I rationalized that I was allowed to have them, too.
:( I am 2 pounds heavier now, which should be mosy water retention after
eating this much salt.

Now I am getting very worried that  really I am not able to adhere to my
WOE. I am well aware that 2 days of going off track don't mean I won't
be able to get back on ti. What worries me though, is that I've had the
cravings I gave into for weeks. They ar very persistent. I don't know
how I am going to handle having such cravings all the time while not
wanting to gain.

I woudl very much appreciate any thoughts on this. And espcially any
suggestions as to what to do with the cravings. Or people telling me
they have had them and they have gone away :)
jayjay - 23 Apr 2005 12:30 GMT
One thing to keep in mind is that 2 days of binging in the grand scheme of
life is not gonna destroy you.  Afterall, I'm sure you'll end up going to
parties, events or other things that will also give you the opportunity to
eat and drink and consume that many calories again.

But, learning to control eating and cravings will help you out in the long
run.  Make today a fresh sstart and get back to your 1800 calories.   Drink
extra water to help with the retention.

If nuts and cheese are a weakness for you, don't have them around.   Only
buy portions of the stuff that you would normally be allowed to eat.   But,
allowing yourself he occasional indulgance of your favorite foods might save
you in the long run.

Some people cannot handle certain trigger foods and make part of their
lifetime WOE to keep those foods out.   Period, end of story.    My sister
swore off sugary sweet foods 6 yrs ago when she lost weigt and hasn't had a
brownie, cookie, candy, cake or icecream since, not even stuff made with
splenda.   As she knows that even a bite of the stuff might cause her to go
back to eating it.   That is what has worked best for her.

For me, I have learned that moderation is best.   I can still have my
sweets.   I try to only have dessert a couple nights a week - not every
night.   I try to stick to my normal woe week in and week out.   But a few
weeks back while I was on vacation - forget it - I didn't stress, I didn't
worry, I ate what I wanted.   When I returned I had a 2lb bloat gain that
went away in a few days.  After getting back on track I actually found I'd
lost a pound.

For me the occasional slipup for a day or few actually helps in the long
run.  It renews my vigor for weight loss and all goes well.

But the trick is to stop the eating and get back on track.   Afterall - if
you stick to the heavy eating you know you will gain the weight back.

Find what works for you and stick with it.

> Hello,
>
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> suggestions as to what to do with the cravings. Or people telling me
> they have had them and they have gone away :)
jake - 24 Apr 2005 22:38 GMT
> One thing to keep in mind is that 2 days of binging in the grand scheme of
> life is not gonna destroy you.  Afterall, I'm sure you'll end up going to
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>
> Find what works for you and stick with it.

Thakn you for your reply, jayjay. I did buy a big bag of nuts beleiving
that I could handle that now I am a food control freak. iwas wrong. So
thank you for pointing to tha factor. I actually wound up havin g a
third higher-cal day, at 2000. But today I am back at 1750. I do believe
all of this will continue to be a struggle. I am constantly looking for
justificiations to eat more. I am starting to think I will need to
listen less to cravings and possible justfications. Probaly, if I do
falter, the scales will scare me back into adherence. I hope.  I ahveb't
yet figured out a amaintnecae system that really works, so  I maight as
well consider this glitsch as part of the process of finding a balance.

From the start, I have beleived that the time just after reaching my
taret wieght would be more difficult than the diet itself. That is
proving to be true. But I also believed that it would take 1-1.5 years
of maintenacefor it  to become a habit rather than an efoort. In that
sense, I shouldn't be surprsed and I shouldn't be worried. I am still
learinng, so I can't  expect to be perfect.
Ignoramus31514 - 23 Apr 2005 14:42 GMT
Jake, cheese is my downfall, also. Unlike sweet stuff, it is one thing
that I do want to eat and it always makes me gain weight, for reasons
that I do not understand.

Are you slim at this point?

i

> Hello,
>
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> suggestions as to what to do with the cravings. Or people telling me
> they have had them and they have gone away :)

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jake - 24 Apr 2005 22:40 GMT
> Jake, cheese is my downfall, also. Unlike sweet stuff, it is one thing
> that I do want to eat and it always makes me gain weight, for reasons
> that I do not understand.
>
> Are you slim at this point?

Yes, I am slim. My BMI is between 20.5-21.0. It was 28 or so before the
diet.

I live in Holland, Cheese is a staple here. People mostly beleive it is
healthy. I don't, so I've been avoiding it. I do miss it - as you can
tell form the binge :). I can live without nuts, though, and it's only
the salted ones that keep me eaing. Other nuts I can stop eating.
Black Metal Martha - 26 Apr 2005 00:50 GMT
> > Jake, cheese is my downfall, also. Unlike sweet stuff, it is one thing
> > that I do want to eat and it always makes me gain weight, for reasons
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> I live in Holland, Cheese is a staple here. People mostly beleive it is
> healthy. I don't, so I've been avoiding it. I do miss it - as you can

> tell form the binge :). I can live without nuts, though, and it's only
> the salted ones that keep me eaing. Other nuts I can stop eating.

Since you're in Holland, you can at least have your fill of the
herring! I found it delicious when I was there. :)

Martha
jake - 26 Apr 2005 20:09 GMT
>>>Jake, cheese is my downfall, also. Unlike sweet stuff, it is one
>
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>
> Martha

It tastes odd, but I do like herring :) I like it fresh and pickled, and
in beetroot salads.
Gloria - 24 Apr 2005 23:48 GMT
Jake, nuts are my worse down fall and I gain very quickly when I eat too
many. This isn't an easy road for me but I'm WANTING to be thin:) I will
stay onmy WOE and I sometmes go off of my plan but I'm better when I'm
back :)

You  CAN do this!!!

glo

                       
jake - 25 Apr 2005 22:04 GMT
> Jake, nuts are my worse down fall and I gain very quickly when I eat too
> many. This isn't an easy road for me but I'm WANTING to be thin:) I will
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>
>                          

I am doing it :) I seem to be back on track now. gettng thin was hard
work but I found it to be easy. Staying thin seems to be a new program
altogether. I have started my mind set to learning that new program
rather than thinking of it as an extension of my diet.  I do know a lot
about food already, so that is a good start.
sej29@cornell.edu - 23 Apr 2005 15:06 GMT
> Hello,
>
> I haven't been posting much lately, but I am reading.
>
> I have a question. My plan is to eat 1800 kcals/day, which I have proven
> to be able to do because I've been doing it for mobnths. My weight is

> stable at that energy intake.
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> be able to get back on ti. What worries me though, is that I've had the
> cravings I gave into for weeks. They ar very persistent. I don't know

> how I am going to handle having such cravings all the time while not
> wanting to gain.
>
> I woudl very much appreciate any thoughts on this. And espcially any
> suggestions as to what to do with the cravings. Or people telling me
> they have had them and they have gone away :)

You're right, it's only two days. Also, 2100 calories isn't really a
binge in terms of excessive food, especially if your normal intake is
1800. So really, you had one day where you might have completely fallen
off the wagon. Maybe you were tired or lacking some nutrient the nuts
and cheese have.

I'm not sure how to help you with cravings because everyone is
different, as jay was saying. When I have serious cravings, I try to
give into them (I mean eat a small-moderate amount of what I want, like
1/2 cup of ice cream, or go out to maybe buy the one thing I've wanted,
like a bagel, or whatever). But I think you mean you've had the craving
to *overeat* them, right? Maybe the best way to fend off cravings to
'binge' on nuts and cheese is to not worry that it might happen or that
you can't have more than one serving or whatever. Take a handful and a
slice, put them back, and if after 20 minutes you're still hungry, eat
another serving or eat something else that's healthy. Honestly, I think
the key is just to NOT WORRY or play mind-games with yourself-- trust
yourself and your body. Just eat what you want, but at the same time be
completely aware of your hunger-full feelings. Maybe don't count the
calories as an exact science (I'm trying to get away from that myself,
as it's causing me to play mind-games). Just know how much a handful of
nuts is, or a slice or two of cheese. Eat them slow, etc.
jake - 24 Apr 2005 22:45 GMT
>>Hello,
>>
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> like a bagel, or whatever). But I think you mean you've had the craving
> to *overeat* them, right?

Yes, that's it. I had a big bag of nuts and just kept putting new nuts
into the bowl. And then my firend asked for cheese, and I joined him in
eating it. It tasted so good. I didn't feel one bit satiated afterwards,
oddly.

Maybe the best way to fend off cravings to
> 'binge' on nuts and cheese is to not worry that it might happen or that
> you can't have more than one serving or whatever. Take a handful and a
> slice, put them back, and if after 20 minutes you're still hungry, eat
> another serving or eat something else that's healthy.

Tell you what, no more big packages of trigger foods for me. That should
do the trick. I thought I could handle it like ex-smokers think they can
handle one cigarette.

Honestly, I think
> the key is just to NOT WORRY or play mind-games with yourself-- trust
> yourself and your body. Just eat what you want, but at the same time be
> completely aware of your hunger-full feelings.

I don't trust those. I rarely feel full, even after big meals.

Maybe don't count the
> calories as an exact science (I'm trying to get away from that myself,
> as it's causing me to play mind-games). Just know how much a handful of
> nuts is, or a slice or two of cheese. Eat them slow, etc.

Eating slowly is a good suggestion. I am starting to realize I did do
that during the diet. I guess I haven't been taking my ghood habits
seriously enough recently. Thank you for your input!
sej29@cornell.edu - 25 Apr 2005 02:25 GMT
> Tell you what, no more big packages of trigger foods for me. That should
> do the trick. I thought I could handle it like ex-smokers think they can
> handle one cigarette.

Good idea. Why not buy your nuts in small packages? They have some at
the grocery store I think-- little bags at aout 250 calories each, so
if you can't stop at half the whole thing is still fine. If this
doesn't work, maybe you really DO have to cut out nuts entirely. It
would be a shame since they're good for you, but it's not worth it.
Polar Light - 25 Apr 2005 08:33 GMT
>> Tell you what, no more big packages of trigger foods for me. That
> should
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> doesn't work, maybe you really DO have to cut out nuts entirely. It
> would be a shame since they're good for you, but it's not worth it.

I have the same problem with nuts (it seems to be very common), what I do is
buy them only when I'm going straight home (otherwise I'll eat them on the
way), they I put the bag in a very high place I can't reach without a
stepladder and out of sight. When I plan to eat some, use them in recipes or
take some with me I take a few & put the rest back where they were. Works
for me so far....
jake - 25 Apr 2005 21:59 GMT
>>Tell you what, no more big packages of trigger foods for me. That
>
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> Good idea. Why not buy your nuts in small packages? They have some at
> the grocery store I think-- little bags at aout 250 calories each

Not in this aprt of the world :) But that'okay. It's about me and my
decisions, not about what my environment is like.

, so
> if you can't stop at half the whole thing is still fine. If this
> doesn't work, maybe you really DO have to cut out nuts entirely. It
> would be a shame since they're good for you, but it's not worth it.

I think I can find a way!

Thank you.
Karstens Rage - 23 Apr 2005 21:51 GMT
Jake,

I go through exactly the same thing. But what I find works best for me
is out of sight out of mind. If I dont have it in the house I dont eat it.

I dont know what your stats are but 1800 might be a tad on the low side.
   2100 sounds more like what I eat but I also exercise a lot. And I
like my food :)

k

> Hello,
>
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> suggestions as to what to do with the cravings. Or people telling me
> they have had them and they have gone away :)
jake - 24 Apr 2005 22:50 GMT
> Jake,
>
> I go through exactly the same thing. But what I find works best for me
> is out of sight out of mind. If I dont have it in the house I dont eat it.

That shoudl help. i had the nuts in the company of someone who can eat
huge amounts of hi-cal foods. He can afford it more easily than I can. I
let myself be dragged into his behavior. The food would never have
showed up on the tableif he hadnt'asked for the nuts and cheese. I will
remember that for the next occasion where this issue might come up.

> I dont know what your stats are but 1800 might be a tad on the low side.
>    2100 sounds more like what I eat but I also exercise a lot. And I
> like my food :)

I am not a man, contrary to what my nick suggests, does that influence
what you think about 1800 kcals/day?  I *am* gradually moving up to
almost 2000 to see if I can maintain on that. But I have been mainting
on 1800, so I suspect 2000 may be a little too much. Time will tell. I
exercise 2-3 times a week.
 
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