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Weight Loss Forum / General Topics / November 2003The evils of alcohol?
Just wondering what you guys thought. I have read about the evils of alcohol, that it is really fattening. A shot of whisky has the same amount of calories as an egg etc etc. So that's the theory - but I don't really find that it has any effect on me whatsoever. I go out at the weekend, and it doesn't matter how much I drink (my fave tipples are ale and stout) - I never notice any effect on my weight. So, what's the concensus? MadJock 204/185/165 I don't know about the alchohol aspect of beer, but my husband loves his Guinness. I view it as a meal in a glass, given the carbs each can contains. It used to make me so mad that he would tell me wasn't hungry after a few and we should delay dinner and I was starved since all I used to drink was diet soda ( now, just water). Why he isn't over weight is beyond me. I know if I drank the stuff I'd swell up like a balloon. You must be able to tolerate carbs well...at least it IS fat free Elise. > Just wondering what you guys thought. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > MadJock > 204/185/165 Well number one those are all empty calories. You get no nutrition from them that you wouldn't get more of from the same calories of food. Second you should never eat on an empty stomach or you'll have stomach trouble some day. You have to make sure and put nutritious food in your stomach before drinking or you will end up eating the fatty or salty things they have at the bar. Third alcohol is a diuretic and lack of fluids causes cravings. Fourth alcohol changes your criteria for who you "hang out" with and that's where the "coyote ugly" situation comes from. > Just wondering what you guys thought. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > MadJock > 204/185/165 Moderate drinking has been shown to prevent both diabetes and heart disease. Beyond 2 drinks a day is harmful, however. Both red wine and dark beers also have anti-oxicants. For pros and cons of alcohol from Harvard see: http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/alcohol.html > Well number one those are all empty calories. You get no > nutrition from them that you wouldn't get more of from the [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > MadJock > > 204/185/165 > Just wondering what you guys thought. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > (my fave tipples are ale and stout) - I never notice any effect on my > weight. So, what's the concensus? There are different kinds of alcohol. Beer, for example, has a lot of carbs -- basically beer is food mixed with alcohol. Some combined drinks like mudslide or irish cream (basically cream with vodka) also are food with alcohol. I do not believe that you cam metabolize pure vodka into calories though. It may make you retain water if you drink too much (hangover and feeling dehydrated and bloated at the same time). So. Drink but be careful, do not drive when drunk and do not pick up fights. Do not overeat when drunk and always use condoms. i > MadJock > 204/185/165 >>Just wondering what you guys thought. >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > There are different kinds of alcohol. There's only one kind of alcohol that we drink. It comes combined with different things. > Beer, for example, has a lot of > carbs -- basically beer is food mixed with alcohol. Some combined > drinks like mudslide or irish cream (basically cream with vodka) also > are food with alcohol. Generally carbs and alcohol, although the creamy ones also add fat. > I do not believe that you cam metabolize pure vodka into calories > though. Alcohol is metabolized as a source of calories. > It may make you retain water if you drink too much (hangover > and feeling dehydrated and bloated at the same time). Alcohol is a diuretic. You get dehydrated from alcohol consumption. A hangover is a mild withdrawal from the addictive toxin that alcohol is. Pastorio > Just wondering what you guys thought. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > MadJock > 204/185/165 For me, the alcohol lowers my resistance to eat more than I should or things I am trying to avoid. I get buzzed, then hungry, then develop the "what the hell" attitude and eat with abandon. If I could drink without getting a buzz, which I probably can't at this time, then I'd have no problem with an occasional wine or ale. Jenn > For me, the alcohol lowers my resistance to eat more than I should or things > I am trying to avoid. I get buzzed, then hungry, then develop the "what the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Jenn That could be a problem with me. Chicken pakora with chips sounds like a good idea when full o' the sauce :) MadJock > > For me, the alcohol lowers my resistance to eat more than I should or > things [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > MadJock For us it's usually nachos (fully loaded), chicken wings with hot sauce, jalapeno poppers, and mozzarella sticks - the usual appetizer fare. The thought is making me nauseous! Jenn > Just wondering what you guys thought. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > MadJock > 204/185/165 Figurative food for thought: the Germans don't call beer "liquid bread" for nothing.  SignatureWalking on . . . Laurie in Maine 207/110 60 inches of attitude! Start: 2/02 Maintained since 2/03 I bet if you didn't drink for a week or two you would find a big difference in the weight loss. Alcohol has a lot of empty calories. Roxan > Just wondering what you guys thought. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > MadJock > 204/185/165 So does lettuce. Go have a drink and loosen up. > I bet if you didn't drink for a week or two you would find a big difference > in the weight loss. Alcohol has a lot of empty calories. > Roxan Well I doubt he was talking about drinking one drink a day. When you are trying to loss weight it is still a good reason to drink in moderation. Roxan > So does lettuce. Go have a drink and loosen up. > > > I bet if you didn't drink for a week or two you would find a big > difference > > in the weight loss. Alcohol has a lot of empty calories. > > Roxan > Just wondering what you guys thought. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > MadJock > 204/185/165 you can't see any meaningful effect "over the weekend" - it would either be water weight or loss. You can eat pizza and donuts all weekend (and drink beer) and it may or may not show up in your weight in a meaningful way for a week or so. It takes time to lose weight, it also takes time to gain weight. Alcohol will actually dehydrate you, and if you drink, especially on an empty stomach, your weight is likely to go down several lbs (in water) overnight. You probably don't need this lecture, but alcohol leads you to wreck not only diets, but also brain cells, families, lives, cars, etc. It ain't worth it AL > You probably don't need this lecture, but alcohol leads you to wreck > not only diets, but also brain cells, families, lives, cars, etc. It > ain't worth it > > AL Yes, but my drinking is not a problem. I drink socially, and that's it. I don't drink and drive, and I don't drink in the morning. Most people can enjoy an alcoholic drink without letting it become a problem, and I am one of them. I'm sorry if you've had bad experiences, but I think it is worth it. I enjoy a beer. MadJock >> You probably don't need this lecture, but alcohol leads you to wreck >> not only diets, but also brain cells, families, lives, cars, etc. It [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > of them. I'm sorry if you've had bad experiences, but I think it is worth > it. I enjoy a beer. Just be careful madjock, this stuff is dangerous. if you drink alone, or more than twice a week, or get really drunk more than once a month, I would be concerned. i > Just be careful madjock, this stuff is dangerous. if you drink alone, > or more than twice a week, or get really drunk more than once a month, > I would be concerned. > > i This is common from teetotallers. Alcohol is fine if you don't let it become a problem. I don't drink alone, I don't drink through the week and I don't even drink in the house. My average week's consumption is about 4 pints (UK pints - 568ml/20 fl oz). That said, if I did I still wouldn't say I had a problem. Perhaps you don't understand Scottish culture. I take it you lot don't drink at all. Too scared of the calories to enjoy yourselves? Alcohol can be dangerous, but it is an important part of Scottish life, and I don't intend to stop doing it. Alcohol helps you relax, lowers inhibitions and makes life more enjoyable when you use it responsibly. And I certainly do that - most of the time :) So please don't be concerned for me. I may be a mad Scotsman, but I don't fall into the stereotype. My question was about the effect of alcohol on my weight - not addiction. MadJock >> Just be careful madjock, this stuff is dangerous. if you drink alone, >> or more than twice a week, or get really drunk more than once a month, [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > yourselves? Alcohol can be dangerous, but it is an important part of > Scottish life, and I don't intend to stop doing it. I do not drink only because alcohol does not make me feel good. It is much better after weight loss and I permit myself to drink occasionally, but it is still not that enjoyable. Between 16-18 I did drink and I drank too much. I gave up cold turkey at 18 and was a teetotaler until 22. Then I started drinking again and no longer anyone could say that I had a drinking problem. I would get seriously drunk once or twice a year. After I got married I gave up drinking, not because of marriage, but because alcohol started making me feel like sh.t. I had a horrible hangover from a bachelor's party. I am not against alcohol, but you have to recognize its dangers. > Alcohol helps you relax, lowers inhibitions and makes life more enjoyable > when you use it responsibly. And I certainly do that - most of the time :) > So please don't be concerned for me. I may be a mad Scotsman, but I don't > fall into the stereotype. I had no idea that Scotsmen could be stereotyped as drunks. > My question was about the effect of alcohol on my weight - not addiction. Consider beer as any other carb based drink, and add calories from alcohol. i > MadJock Could you be any more vague? What do you mean "carb based drink?" Too many people on this ng who don't know squat about carbs and alcohol (and please---spare me the anti-drink nonsense). Bob Skilnik Moderation, Not Deprivation Get The Carb Counts Of 575 Beers 250 Wines. Why Guess? www.drinkbeergetthindiet.com > Consider beer as any other carb based drink, and add calories from > alcohol. > Could you be any more vague? What do you mean "carb based drink?" Too many > people on this ng who don't know squat about carbs and alcohol (and > please---spare me the anti-drink nonsense). Very simple. Beer contains quite a bit of carbohydrate based nutrients that are rich in energy, just like, for instance, regular sodas or bread. So if you drink beer, you consume calories just as if yo would eat bread. So a beer drinker needs to be aware of it. Secondly, even pure alcohol can deliver calories/energy to the body, in the form of acetates, and therefore would need to be counted towards daily calorie intake. Spare me the nonsense about me being anti-drink. i > Bob Skilnik > Moderation, Not Deprivation [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> Consider beer as any other carb based drink, and add calories from >> alcohol. > > Just be careful madjock, this stuff is dangerous. if you drink alone, > > or more than twice a week, or get really drunk more than once a month, > > I would be concerned. Oh gawd, give me a break. That's like saying guns are dangerous. It's only dangerous when it's misused.... det >> > Just be careful madjock, this stuff is dangerous. if you drink alone, >> > or more than twice a week, or get really drunk more than once a month, >> > I would be concerned. > > Oh gawd, give me a break. That's like saying guns are dangerous. It's only > dangerous when it's misused.... Guns are extremely dangerous. They should be used with extreme care and caution and discipline. i Another neo-prohibitionist. Pull down the shades. > Just be careful madjock, this stuff is dangerous. if you drink alone, > or more than twice a week, or get really drunk more than once a month, > I would be concerned. > > i >Just be careful madjock, this stuff is dangerous. if you drink alone, >or more than twice a week, or get really drunk more than once a month, >I would be concerned. Well, I'd agree with the first on the whole, but as for the second and third a lot of us should be doomed at that rate. I would suggest your views on drinking are a little extreme. Drinking socially and getting drunk never did me any harm when I was younger, if anything it brought a lot of fun and enjoyment. And unlike food it never got any sort of a hold over me. I drink rarely now because my body doesn't deal with it as well as it used to. janice "janice" <janice@london.uk> wrote in message > I drink rarely now because my body doesn't deal with it as well as it > used to. Yeah, same here... In my younger days when I used to go out drinking sometimes several nights a week, I often seemed to lose more weight as a result, and I'm not talking about rehydration, I'm talking about weight loss that was more than an overnight temporary effect. I put this down to several things - I never drank beer (can't stand it) mainly spirits (with low cal mixers) and dry wine The more I drank the less interested I was in eating The more I drank the more active I became - unable to sit down for long, getting up to dance a lot, etc. Although I know there are quite a lot of calories in alcohol, against all logic I will never lose my belief, even if it has no scientific basis, that they are somehow "different" from food calories - I put on weight extremely fast when I take in too many of those. janice >Just wondering what you guys thought. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >MadJock >204/185/165 >Just wondering what you guys thought. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >MadJock >204/185/165 I drink wine often. I count the calories in my daily calorie totals. I don't think there's anything magic about alcohol that interferes with weight loss (unless it makes you eat more when you're feeling a bit drunk). Neither do I think alcohol calories don't count. If it isn't affecting your weight, I expect it's just because it's not putting you over the calorie level that allows you to lose/maintain. I have heard that the body cannot convert alcohol calories to fat. But that doesn't mean they don't count. The body will just burn those calories for energy instead of other calories you consume, so that there are more of those left to turn into body fat. Chris 262/175/??? > >Just wondering what you guys thought. > > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > Chris > 262/175/??? Like Chris, I enjoy my wine. I don't drink that often, but when I have a nice bottle of wine, I'll enjoy a couple glasses from it. Tonight was grilled teriyaki chicken and a nice Savignon Blanc to go with it. Yummm... Martha |
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