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soy flour - Gag me with a ginzu!!
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determined - 13 Nov 2003 16:16 GMT Ok, I found the soy flour in the bulk section of our grocery store. I substituted ALL of the flour in my brownies with the soy. It was disgusting. It was NOT edible. Threw out the entire batch.
I need reccommendations on using soy!
det
rosie read and post - 13 Nov 2003 16:20 GMT whoops, i guess i should have warned you.......................soy flour can be really ghastly!
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> Ok, I found the soy flour in the bulk section of our grocery store. I > substituted ALL of the flour in my brownies with the soy. It was [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > det Crafting Mom - 13 Nov 2003 16:35 GMT >whoops, i guess i should have warned you.......................soy flour >can be really ghastly! It's gross. No matter how much you cook it, too, it never tastes "done". It has this raw, undercooked, acidy taste that's gross.
rosie read and post - 13 Nov 2003 17:30 GMT > >whoops, i guess i should have warned you.......................soy flour > >can be really ghastly! > > It's gross. No matter how much you cook it, too, it never tastes > "done". It has this raw, undercooked, acidy taste that's gross. that's a good way to describe it! YUCK!
determined - 13 Nov 2003 17:40 GMT > > >whoops, i guess i should have warned you.......................soy > flour [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > that's a good way to describe it! > YUCK! I'm glad I only bought about a pound of it...
det
Gene - 13 Nov 2003 19:14 GMT Is there anything that will mask the soy taste? Everything that I eat that is soy based has the same icky taste. I have never been able to remove said taste.
> > > >whoops, i guess i should have warned you.......................soy > > flour [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > det Jane Lumley - 14 Nov 2003 21:11 GMT >>whoops, i guess i should have warned you.......................soy flour >>can be really ghastly! > >It's gross. No matter how much you cook it, too, it never tastes >"done". It has this raw, undercooked, acidy taste that's gross. Don't use soy - it is truly horrible. A better bet is a mix of soy protein isolate, whey protein powder, almond meal and vital wheat gluten.
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Julianne - 14 Nov 2003 03:50 GMT > > Ok, I found the soy flour in the bulk section of our grocery store. I > > substituted ALL of the flour in my brownies with the soy. It was [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > > > det Okay, sorry. I am laughing my a.s off.
Seriously, I made a similar mistake years ago. Think of it this way. Soy is a legume. Flour is made from grains. They do not behave the same in recipes.
Wanna add protein. Try adding a tablespoon of powdered milk. If that makes no appreciable difference, try another. Keep going until you find out how much FF powdered milk you can add.
What kind of fat is in the recipe? Try substituting half of it with peanut butter.
Adding soy is still a very good idea. However, I would try substituting 1/8 of the recipe with soy initially. Then I would add more until the texture and taste became noticeable.
Of course, if you are like me and have the perfect desert recipe, don't mess with it! Save it for special occasions and find something new for when calories are important.
You substituted all the flour in your recipe with Soy?
j
jamie - 13 Nov 2003 18:48 GMT > Ok, I found the soy flour in the bulk section of our grocery store. I > substituted ALL of the flour in my brownies with the soy. It was > disgusting. It was NOT edible. Threw out the entire batch. > > I need reccommendations on using soy! First recommendation - throw the soy flour in the trash. Get soya powder instead for recipes that require soy flour. Soya powder is made from cooked soybeans, and has a less objectionable taste. You'll probably have to get it at a natural foods grocery.
If you're going to substitute soys for flour in ordinary recipes, it's probably not going to come out well if you substitute more than about half of the flour. I've made some successful reduced-carb (not exactly low carb) versions of family favorites, subbing half the flour and Splenda for sugar.
As to brownies, here's a copy of Myra's recipe, which uses ground almonds and not soy. I grind sliced almonds in a little electric coffee grinder. (and although I usually like very dark chocolate, I find 3 oz baking chocolate plenty, and 4 to be rather bitter in this particular recipe.)
CHOCOLATE-WALNUT BROWNIES
1/2 cup butter, softened 1 1/2 cups Splenda 2 eggs 1 teaspoon vanilla 2 tablespoons cream (or water or coffee) 1 cup almond flour 1 teaspoon xanthan gum Pinch salt 1 teaspoon baking soda 4 ounces unsweetened chocolate, melted 1/4 cup chopped walnuts
Preheat oven to 350 degrees. Grease an 8x8 square pan.
In a mixer, cream together the butter and Splenda. Add the eggs, one at a time, incorporating well. Add the vanilla and cream, blending well. In a small bowl, mix together the almond flour, xanthan gum, salt and baking soda. Add the almond flour mixture to the butter mixture, alternating with the chocolate. Fold in the nuts. This makes a very stiff batter - almost dough-like.
Spread the batter in the greased pan, and baking for about 15 minutes, or until a knife inserted comes out clean. Cut into 16 1-inch squares.
Makes 16 servings, 3.38 carbs per serving.
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Jarkat2002 - 13 Nov 2003 19:49 GMT >Ok, I found the soy flour in the bulk section of our grocery store. I >substituted ALL of the flour in my brownies with the soy. It was [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >det If you keep making them that way your bound to lose weight! ~Kat /who does not like soy flour either
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Ignoramus12517 - 13 Nov 2003 20:01 GMT > Ok, I found the soy flour in the bulk section of our grocery store. I > substituted ALL of the flour in my brownies with the soy. It was > disgusting. It was NOT edible. Threw out the entire batch. > > I need reccommendations on using soy! Is that a part of your quest to eat more protein?
I would respectfully suggest to eat a chicken thigh or an egg for protein instead of making soy brownies. It seems to me that you are trying to create an impossible dish. Try adding dehydrated eggs to your brownies if you want more protein in them.
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MH - 14 Nov 2003 03:40 GMT > Ok, I found the soy flour in the bulk section of our grocery store. I > substituted ALL of the flour in my brownies with the soy. It was [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > det That's why I suggested only replacing part of the flour with soy flour. : ) Try replacing 1/4th first, then 1/3, but I wouldn't go more than that.
Martha
Perple Gyrl - 14 Nov 2003 04:16 GMT I recommend that you don't use it.... I think it is pretty nasty too! blech.
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> Ok, I found the soy flour in the bulk section of our grocery store. I > substituted ALL of the flour in my brownies with the soy. It was [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > det Perple Gyrl - 14 Nov 2003 05:27 GMT another great soy article from that website in my other post: http://www.abcnews.go.com/onair/2020/2020_000609_soy_feature.html
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> I recommend that you don't use it.... I think it is pretty nasty too! > blech. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > > > det MH - 14 Nov 2003 12:43 GMT > I recommend that you don't use it.... I think it is pretty nasty too! > blech. You can add a little bit to a recipe and it works fine. I put it in my bread and it tastes wonderful. The thing about baking which must be understood is you're dealing with chemistry, really. The recipe was written a certain way for a reason. The ingredients react in certain ways when subjected to heat.
As already stated, soy is a legume. Grains and flours are not interchangeable in a recipe. Replace a tiny amount and increase slowly.
Martha
Perple Gyrl - 14 Nov 2003 05:25 GMT Personally, I just don't like soy. I guess for me, it is just a preference that I have. Soy really isn't good for a person and is over-hyped and made out to be more then it is. Here are some articles I found from just typing "soy is bad for you" in www.ask.com:
Check out for a ton of links about the hazards of soy:
http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/Hot%20Reading.htm
I like this link from above: http://www.johnleemd.net/articles/soy-01.html Don't Go Overboard With the Soy Foods A Cautionary Tale
by John R. Lee, M.D.
If my mail is any indication, soy food products are becoming very popular in the US. And why wouldn't they? Soy contains the full complement of amino acids, can be made to fit with a low fat diet, and, as we all know, Japanese women who eat a lot of soy have less breast cancer than women in the U.S. Some proponents stretch the connection to credit soy with the renowned Japanese longevity advantage. Such claims, however, are grossly simplistic and probably misleading. What do we really need to know about soybeans?
My experience as a U.S. Navy physician included 14 months in Japan and Okinawa back in the late 1950s. During that time I had extensive exposure to the traditional Japanese diet, which I found to be delicious. A typical meal consisted of wonderful vegetable or fish soup followed by five to six little dishes surrounding a bowl of rice along with green (un-roasted) tea, which is still my favorite tea. The little dishes contained small servings of seaweed, fish or shrimp, perhaps an egg, various vegetables (sometimes pickled), tasty noodles, and fermented soy products such as miso or tempeh, along with protein-rich soy curd, tofu. The alcohol consisted primarily of beer or tiny cups of sake. Vegetables, fish or shrimp were sauteed in a wok, using a small amount of nut oil. This was the traditional Japanese diet whose health benefits are widely extolled.
I visited Japan a few years ago and found that the traditional diet is a thing of the past. Young Japanese are now eating white bread instead of rice, drinking milk (with supplemental lactase, of course) and soda pop (there are vending machines for colas all over the place), whisky instead of sake, imported beef instead of fish, no seaweed, and a lot of processed food. Youngsters aged 10 are bigger and taller than their teachers, and the middle-aged men are getting prematurely bald, and dying of heart disease, hypertension, and cancer.
Beyond the Hype: A Close-Up on Soy
The bran (hulls) of all seeds and legumes contain substances called lignins, but none has the high lignin level found in soybeans. Soy lignins bind to minerals such as zinc and magnesium and prevent the body from absorbing them. This binding is so complete that scientists who wish to study the effects of low zinc concentrations in test animals merely add soy bran to the animals' diet. Zinc deficiency is known to impair the immune system and promote prostate disease. The traditional Japanese diet always included seaweed, which fortunately provides sufficient minerals to overcome the potential deficiency resulting from the effect of soy lignins. Our U.S. diet, on the other hand, lacks this potent source of minerals, so consuming too much soy in an American diet may lead to mineral deficiencies.
Soybeans also contain potentially healthful compounds called phytoestrogens (also known as isoflavones), such as genestein, diadzein and others that are weak-acting estrogens. Phytoestrogens occupy estrogen receptors and thereby reduce the effect of one's potentially more potent endogenous (made in the body) estrogens. This may well be the reason for the lower incidence of breast and prostate cancer in Japan. However, seen in context with the whole diet, large doses of these phytoestrogens are not as healthy as smaller doses combined with all the other factors found in the traditional Japanese diet.
Soybeans contain enzyme inhibitors that can block protein absorption as well as uptake of the enzyme trypsin, leading to thyroid deficiency and retarded growth. They also contain hemagglutinin that decreases the ability of red blood cells to properly absorb oxygen and distribute it throughout the body. These can be removed from soy products, but the usual attempts to do so (by pureeing the beans, soaking in an alkaline solution, and then cooking them in a pressure cooker) will, at the same time, make the beans? proteins difficult to digest.
All Soy is Not the Same
In the U.S., the soybean industry is filling our shelves with soy derivatives such as soy flour, textured soy protein, partially hydrogenated soybean oil, and soy protein isolate ? none of which were part of the traditional Japanese diet. They are found in soy cheese, milk, margarine, vegetable oils, burgers and hot dogs, baby formula, and flour, to name just a few. These soy derivatives have become a major (often-unrecognized) ingredient in fast foods and prepackaged frozen meals. They should not be confused with the natural and fermented soy components of the traditional Japanese diet.
Many people with wheat allergies will use soy products as a substitute. Unfortunately, when soy is a major component of the diet, soy allergy can develop.
I hope that it is obvious at this point that soy milk is not a good staple food for children. The last thing a small but rapidly growing body needs is a hefty dose of phytoestrogens and enzymes that block protein and mineral absorption.
Eat Soy Foods in Moderation
The traditional Japanese diet had, through centuries of trial and error, found ways to use soybeans in a healthy manner. They did not eat whole soybeans or soy protein isolate. They mainly ate fermented soy products. The fermentation process deactivates both trypsin inhibitors and hemagglutinin, while regular cooking does not. Soy was, in fact, only one component of a diet that included food rich with minerals, vitamins, and other essential nutrients.
If you plan to use soy, don?t simply add the denatured soy products offered by American food mega-processors to the typically nutrition-deficient U.S. diet. Instead, my advice is to learn to prepare meals the Japanese way, with several components from their traditional diet. Single food items taken out of the context of the whole meal simply don't work. This, by the way, is true of many wonderful ethnic diets around the world.
Enjoy soy a few times a week but like all things, keep it in perspective. One of the simplest ways to eat soy is to stir fry tofu with fresh vegetables and some edible seaweed, put it on brown rice, and season with sesame seeds and tamari sauce. You can also add some aduki beans or fish for additional protein, and some freshly grated ginger to spice it up. Two recommended books on Japanese cooking are, Cooking with Japanese Foods: A Guide to the Traditional Natural Foods of Japan by John and Jan Bellame (Avery 1994), and The Folk Art of Japanese Country Cooking: A traditional diet for today?s world, by Gaku and Gaki Homma and Emily Busch (North Atlantic Books, 1991).
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> > I recommend that you don't use it.... I think it is pretty nasty too! > > blech. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Martha Bob Pastorio - 14 Nov 2003 17:15 GMT > Ok, I found the soy flour in the bulk section of our grocery store. I > substituted ALL of the flour in my brownies with the soy. It was > disgusting. It was NOT edible. Threw out the entire batch. > > I need reccommendations on using soy! You need information on several products that can help with this issue. You've already learned the biggest one: you can't substitute soy flour for wheat flour.
Read up on protein powders (from any of several sources), wheat gluten, nut meals and flours, gums.
Check out the FAQ from ASDL-C. Lots of good info about using all these things and where to find them.
Pastorio
A Ross - 14 Nov 2003 17:41 GMT > > Ok, I found the soy flour in the bulk section of our grocery store. I > > substituted ALL of the flour in my brownies with the soy. It was [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Pastorio The recipes at http://www.camacdonald.com/lc/LowCarbohydrateCooking-Recipes.htm are worth checking out, too.
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