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soy flour - Gag me with a ginzu!!

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determined - 13 Nov 2003 16:16 GMT
Ok, I found the soy flour in the bulk section of our grocery store.  I
substituted ALL of the flour in my brownies with the soy.  It was
disgusting.  It was NOT edible.  Threw out the entire batch.

I need reccommendations on using soy!

det
rosie read and post - 13 Nov 2003 16:20 GMT
whoops, i guess i should have warned you.......................soy flour
can be really ghastly!

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> Ok, I found the soy flour in the bulk section of our grocery store.  I
> substituted ALL of the flour in my brownies with the soy.  It was
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> det
Crafting Mom - 13 Nov 2003 16:35 GMT
>whoops, i guess i should have warned you.......................soy flour
>can be really ghastly!

It's gross.  No matter how much you cook it, too, it never tastes
"done".  It has this raw, undercooked, acidy taste that's gross.
rosie read and post - 13 Nov 2003 17:30 GMT
> >whoops, i guess i should have warned you.......................soy flour
> >can be really ghastly!
>
> It's gross.  No matter how much you cook it, too, it never tastes
> "done".  It has this raw, undercooked, acidy taste that's gross.

that's a good way to describe it!
YUCK!
determined - 13 Nov 2003 17:40 GMT
> > >whoops, i guess i should have warned you.......................soy
> flour
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> that's a good way to describe it!
> YUCK!

I'm glad I only bought about a pound of it...

det
Gene - 13 Nov 2003 19:14 GMT
Is there anything that will mask the soy taste?
Everything that I eat that is soy based has the same icky
taste.  I have never been able to remove said taste.

> > > >whoops, i guess i should have warned you.......................soy
> > flour
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> det
Jane Lumley - 14 Nov 2003 21:11 GMT
>>whoops, i guess i should have warned you.......................soy flour
>>can be really ghastly!
>
>It's gross.  No matter how much you cook it, too, it never tastes
>"done".  It has this raw, undercooked, acidy taste that's gross.

Don't use soy - it is truly horrible.  A better bet is a mix of soy
protein isolate, whey protein powder, almond meal and vital wheat
gluten.  
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Julianne - 14 Nov 2003 03:50 GMT
> > Ok, I found the soy flour in the bulk section of our grocery store.  I
> > substituted ALL of the flour in my brownies with the soy.  It was
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> >
> > det

Okay, sorry.  I am laughing my a.s off.

Seriously, I made a similar mistake years ago.   Think of it this way.  Soy
is a legume.  Flour is made from grains.  They do not behave the same in
recipes.

Wanna add protein.  Try adding a tablespoon of powdered milk.  If that makes
no appreciable difference, try another.  Keep going until you find out how
much FF powdered milk you can add.

What kind of fat is in the recipe?  Try substituting half of it with peanut
butter.

Adding soy is still a very good idea.  However, I would try substituting 1/8
of the recipe with soy initially.  Then I would add more until the texture
and taste became noticeable.

Of course, if you are like me and have the perfect desert recipe, don't mess
with it!  Save it for special occasions and find something new for when
calories are important.

You substituted all the flour in your recipe with Soy?

j
jamie - 13 Nov 2003 18:48 GMT
> Ok, I found the soy flour in the bulk section of our grocery store.  I
> substituted ALL of the flour in my brownies with the soy.  It was
> disgusting.  It was NOT edible.  Threw out the entire batch.
>
> I need reccommendations on using soy!

First recommendation - throw the soy flour in the trash.  Get soya powder
instead for recipes that require soy flour.  Soya powder is made from
cooked soybeans, and has a less objectionable taste.  You'll probably
have to get it at a natural foods grocery.

If you're going to substitute soys for flour in ordinary recipes,
it's probably not going to come out well if you substitute more than
about half of the flour.  I've made some successful reduced-carb (not
exactly low carb) versions of family favorites, subbing half the flour
and Splenda for sugar.

As to brownies, here's a copy of Myra's recipe, which uses
ground almonds and not soy.  I grind sliced almonds in a little
electric coffee grinder.  (and although I usually like very dark
chocolate, I find 3 oz baking chocolate plenty, and 4 to be
rather bitter in this particular recipe.)

CHOCOLATE-WALNUT BROWNIES

1/2 cup butter, softened
1 1/2 cups Splenda
2 eggs
1 teaspoon vanilla
2 tablespoons cream (or water or coffee)
1 cup almond flour
1 teaspoon xanthan gum
Pinch salt
1 teaspoon baking soda
4 ounces unsweetened chocolate, melted
1/4 cup chopped walnuts

Preheat oven to 350 degrees.  Grease an 8x8 square pan.  

In a mixer, cream together the butter and Splenda.  Add the eggs, one
at a time, incorporating well.  Add the vanilla and cream, blending
well.  In a small bowl, mix together the almond flour, xanthan gum,
salt and baking soda.  Add the almond flour mixture to the butter
mixture, alternating with the chocolate.  Fold in the nuts.  This
makes a very stiff batter - almost dough-like.

Spread the batter in the greased pan, and baking for about 15 minutes,
or until a knife inserted comes out clean.  Cut into 16 1-inch
squares.

Makes 16 servings, 3.38 carbs per serving.

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Jarkat2002 - 13 Nov 2003 19:49 GMT
>Ok, I found the soy flour in the bulk section of our grocery store.  I
>substituted ALL of the flour in my brownies with the soy.  It was
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>
>det

If you keep making them that way your bound to lose weight!
~Kat
/who does not like soy flour either

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Ignoramus12517 - 13 Nov 2003 20:01 GMT
> Ok, I found the soy flour in the bulk section of our grocery store.  I
> substituted ALL of the flour in my brownies with the soy.  It was
> disgusting.  It was NOT edible.  Threw out the entire batch.
>
> I need reccommendations on using soy!

Is that a part of your quest to eat more protein?

I would respectfully suggest to eat a chicken thigh or an egg for
protein instead of making soy brownies. It seems to me that you are
trying to create an impossible dish. Try adding dehydrated eggs to
your brownies if you want more protein in them.

i
MH - 14 Nov 2003 03:40 GMT
> Ok, I found the soy flour in the bulk section of our grocery store.  I
> substituted ALL of the flour in my brownies with the soy.  It was
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>
> det

That's why I suggested only replacing part of the flour with soy flour. : )
Try replacing 1/4th first, then 1/3, but I wouldn't go more than that.

Martha
Perple Gyrl - 14 Nov 2003 04:16 GMT
I recommend that you don't use it.... I think it is pretty nasty too!
blech.

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> Ok, I found the soy flour in the bulk section of our grocery store.  I
> substituted ALL of the flour in my brownies with the soy.  It was
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>
> det
Perple Gyrl - 14 Nov 2003 05:27 GMT
another great soy article from that website in my other post:
http://www.abcnews.go.com/onair/2020/2020_000609_soy_feature.html

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> I recommend that you don't use it.... I think it is pretty nasty too!
> blech.
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> >
> > det
MH - 14 Nov 2003 12:43 GMT
> I recommend that you don't use it.... I think it is pretty nasty too!
> blech.

You can add a little bit to a recipe and it works fine. I put it in my bread
and it tastes wonderful. The thing about baking which must be understood is
you're dealing with chemistry, really. The recipe was written a certain way
for a reason. The ingredients react in certain ways when subjected to heat.

As already stated, soy is a legume. Grains and flours are not
interchangeable in a recipe. Replace a tiny amount and increase slowly.

Martha
Perple Gyrl - 14 Nov 2003 05:25 GMT
Personally, I just don't like soy.  I guess for me, it is just a preference
that I have.  Soy really isn't good for a person and is over-hyped and made
out to be more then it is.  Here are some articles I found from just typing
"soy is bad for you" in www.ask.com:

Check out for a ton of links about the hazards of soy:

http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/Hot%20Reading.htm

I like this link from above:
http://www.johnleemd.net/articles/soy-01.html
Don't Go Overboard With the Soy Foods
A Cautionary Tale

by John R. Lee, M.D.

If my mail is any indication, soy food products are becoming very popular in
the US. And why wouldn't they? Soy contains the full complement of amino
acids, can be made to fit with a low fat diet, and, as we all know, Japanese
women who eat a lot of soy have less breast cancer than women in the U.S.
Some proponents stretch the connection to credit soy with the renowned
Japanese longevity advantage. Such claims, however, are grossly simplistic
and probably misleading. What do we really need to know about soybeans?

My experience as a U.S. Navy physician included 14 months in Japan and
Okinawa back in the late 1950s. During that time I had extensive exposure to
the traditional Japanese diet, which I found to be delicious. A typical meal
consisted of wonderful vegetable or fish soup followed by five to six little
dishes surrounding a bowl of rice along with green (un-roasted) tea, which
is still my favorite tea. The little dishes contained small servings of
seaweed, fish or shrimp, perhaps an egg, various vegetables (sometimes
pickled), tasty noodles, and fermented soy products such as miso or tempeh,
along with protein-rich soy curd, tofu. The alcohol consisted primarily of
beer or tiny cups of sake. Vegetables, fish or shrimp were sauteed in a wok,
using a small amount of nut oil. This was the traditional Japanese diet
whose health benefits are widely extolled.

I visited Japan a few years ago and found that the traditional diet is a
thing of the past. Young Japanese are now eating white bread instead of
rice, drinking milk (with supplemental lactase, of course) and soda pop
(there are vending machines for colas all over the place), whisky instead of
sake, imported beef instead of fish, no seaweed, and a lot of processed
food. Youngsters aged 10 are bigger and taller than their teachers, and the
middle-aged men are getting prematurely bald, and dying of heart disease,
hypertension, and cancer.

Beyond the Hype: A Close-Up on Soy

The bran (hulls) of all seeds and legumes contain substances called lignins,
but none has the high lignin level found in soybeans. Soy lignins bind to
minerals such as zinc and magnesium and prevent the body from absorbing
them. This binding is so complete that scientists who wish to study the
effects of low zinc concentrations in test animals merely add soy bran to
the animals' diet. Zinc deficiency is known to impair the immune system and
promote prostate disease. The traditional Japanese diet always included
seaweed, which fortunately provides sufficient minerals to overcome the
potential deficiency resulting from the effect of soy lignins. Our U.S.
diet, on the other hand, lacks this potent source of minerals, so consuming
too much soy in an American diet may lead to mineral deficiencies.

Soybeans also contain potentially healthful compounds called phytoestrogens
(also known as isoflavones), such as genestein, diadzein and others that are
weak-acting estrogens. Phytoestrogens occupy estrogen receptors and thereby
reduce the effect of one's potentially more potent endogenous (made in the
body) estrogens. This may well be the reason for the lower incidence of
breast and prostate cancer in Japan. However, seen in context with the whole
diet, large doses of these phytoestrogens are not as healthy as smaller
doses combined with all the other factors found in the traditional Japanese
diet.

Soybeans contain enzyme inhibitors that can block protein absorption as well
as uptake of the enzyme trypsin, leading to thyroid deficiency and retarded
growth. They also contain hemagglutinin that decreases the ability of red
blood cells to properly absorb oxygen and distribute it throughout the body.
These can be removed from soy products, but the usual attempts to do so (by
pureeing the beans, soaking in an alkaline solution, and then cooking them
in a pressure cooker) will, at the same time, make the beans? proteins
difficult to digest.

All Soy is Not the Same

In the U.S., the soybean industry is filling our shelves with soy
derivatives such as soy flour, textured soy protein, partially hydrogenated
soybean oil, and soy protein isolate ? none of which were part of the
traditional Japanese diet. They are found in soy cheese, milk, margarine,
vegetable oils, burgers and hot dogs, baby formula, and flour, to name just
a few. These soy derivatives have become a major (often-unrecognized)
ingredient in fast foods and prepackaged frozen meals. They should not be
confused with the natural and fermented soy components of the traditional
Japanese diet.

Many people with wheat allergies will use soy products as a substitute.
Unfortunately, when soy is a major component of the diet, soy allergy can
develop.

I hope that it is obvious at this point that soy milk is not a good staple
food for children. The last thing a small but rapidly growing body needs is
a hefty dose of phytoestrogens and enzymes that block protein and mineral
absorption.

Eat Soy Foods in Moderation

The traditional Japanese diet had, through centuries of trial and error,
found ways to use soybeans in a healthy manner. They did not eat whole
soybeans or soy protein isolate. They mainly ate fermented soy products. The
fermentation process deactivates both trypsin inhibitors and hemagglutinin,
while regular cooking does not. Soy was, in fact, only one component of a
diet that included food rich with minerals, vitamins, and other essential
nutrients.

If you plan to use soy, don?t simply add the denatured soy products offered
by American food mega-processors to the typically nutrition-deficient U.S.
diet. Instead, my advice is to learn to prepare meals the Japanese way, with
several components from their traditional diet. Single food items taken out
of the context of the whole meal simply don't work. This, by the way, is
true of many wonderful ethnic diets around the world.

Enjoy soy a few times a week but like all things, keep it in perspective.
One of the simplest ways to eat soy is to stir fry tofu with fresh
vegetables and some edible seaweed, put it on brown rice, and season with
sesame seeds and tamari sauce. You can also add some aduki beans or fish for
additional protein, and some freshly grated ginger to spice it up. Two
recommended books on Japanese cooking are, Cooking with Japanese Foods: A
Guide to the Traditional Natural Foods of Japan by John and Jan Bellame
(Avery 1994), and The Folk Art of Japanese Country Cooking: A traditional
diet for today?s world, by Gaku and Gaki Homma and Emily Busch (North
Atlantic Books, 1991).

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> > I recommend that you don't use it.... I think it is pretty nasty too!
> > blech.
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>
> Martha
Bob Pastorio - 14 Nov 2003 17:15 GMT
> Ok, I found the soy flour in the bulk section of our grocery store.  I
> substituted ALL of the flour in my brownies with the soy.  It was
> disgusting.  It was NOT edible.  Threw out the entire batch.
>
> I need reccommendations on using soy!

You need information on several products that can help with this
issue. You've already learned the biggest one: you can't substitute
soy flour for wheat flour.

Read up on protein powders (from any of several sources), wheat
gluten, nut meals and flours, gums.

Check out the FAQ from ASDL-C. Lots of good info about using all these
things and where to find them.

Pastorio
A Ross - 14 Nov 2003 17:41 GMT
> > Ok, I found the soy flour in the bulk section of our grocery store.  I
> > substituted ALL of the flour in my brownies with the soy.  It was
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>
> Pastorio

The recipes at
http://www.camacdonald.com/lc/LowCarbohydrateCooking-Recipes.htm
are worth checking out, too.
 
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