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MH - 17 Nov 2003 01:03 GMT
Does anyone else have a rough time during *the holidays*? I love the colder
weather, the dark nights and winter, but I really dislike Thanksgiving
through xmas. I'm not religious, I'm not close to my family, not married, no
boyfriend, etc. etc. All my inadequacies seem to be magnified. Everywhere I
go, everything I see reminds me of what I don't have. I hate it.

It's not even Thanksgiving and I'm already sick of xmas carols.

I had a lousy weekend and overate. I'll get back on track Monday, but it's
going to be rough going until Jan. I don't think I'm the only one who
struggles through this time of year.

Martha
Jennifer A - 17 Nov 2003 01:50 GMT
> Does anyone else have a rough time during *the holidays*? I love the colder
> weather, the dark nights and winter, but I really dislike Thanksgiving
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>
> Martha

You aren't alone here.  DH and I are not religious and none of our family is
up here as of next weekend when his folks do the snowbird thing.  I am not a
holiday person and tend to get sick of it pretty quickly.  I even scheduled
my surgery for next Monday so I can use Thanksgiving to recover and avoid
having to be social.  The only reason I see my family at Christmas is
because that's when I get enough time off from work to travel.  DH and I
don't exchange gifts at Christmas.  We give each other gifts at various
times during the year to celebrate personal things or just because.  It's
hard because I work at a school and I'm completely surrounded by it.  I used
to bake cookies for my students and thought I was going to switch and do
trail mix this year, but that's not going to happen after all.  Turns out
neither DH nor I can resist having the crap in the house and it disappears
too quickly.  I'm thinking pencils - not the plain kind, but some cool ones.

It's a big struggle, especially if you're trying to live a healthy
lifestyle.  I also overate this weekend, but got on track today, except for
exercise.  Doing a big workout tomorrow to be 100% on track again.

Jenn
MH - 17 Nov 2003 13:36 GMT
> > Does anyone else have a rough time during *the holidays*? I love the
> colder
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>
> Jenn

Thanks, Jenn, I'm with you. I'm getting back into it today as well. I gained
two pounds this weekend and know I'll lose those right away. Those who like
xmas has no understanding of how those of us who don't like it could feel.
They relish in it, can't wait to spend time with their families, and suggest
volunteer work. When? I work two jobs, I need time to work out, keep my
website going and live my life. At work, we're forced to do volunteer work
for organizations I don't necessarily support, but what am I supposed to do?
Say no?

At least Slayer is coming to town next weekend. That will be a relief from
all this. : )

Martha
Jennifer A - 18 Nov 2003 02:05 GMT
> Thanks, Jenn, I'm with you. I'm getting back into it today as well. I gained
> two pounds this weekend and know I'll lose those right away. Those who like
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>
> Martha

I will confess that I'm going to my Christmas party from work this year, but
only because it was a great excuse to buy a fabulous designer dress this
weekend (Evan Piccone on sale) and get dressed to kill.

When I was single and living away from my folks, people would suggest that I
should spend my holidays volunteering all of the time.  Thanksgiving and
Christmas were the only two days I could count on not having to work so I
would generally take the time to just relax, catch up on reading and videos,
etc.  Hmmm, sounds like what I'm doing again this year, except the Packers
are playing on Thanksgiving day so
there's a few hours of time spoken for.  I'll probably also be catching up
on housework, school work, work work as time and stuff permit.

Jenn
(going to see the Pack play SF this weekend!!!!)
MH - 18 Nov 2003 04:49 GMT
> I will confess that I'm going to my Christmas party from work this year, but
> only because it was a great excuse to buy a fabulous designer dress this
> weekend (Evan Piccone on sale) and get dressed to kill.

I'll look good at our office party (dinner, actually, small group) is
mandatory. I wouldn't dare miss it. That's ok, it'll be over early.

> When I was single and living away from my folks, people would suggest that I
> should spend my holidays volunteering all of the time.

I hate that! Like the only thing us single folks should do is volunteer. Ug!
I love hanging around the house, relaxing. And that's not what really
bothers me anyway. I volunteer ALL YEAR LONG on different causes. The most
important being supporting our troops overseas. Do these people volunteer at
other times of the year? Why is it only now that this comes up? Hypocritical
if you ask me.

Thanksgiving and
> Christmas were the only two days I could count on not having to work so I
> would generally take the time to just relax, catch up on reading and videos,
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> Jenn
> (going to see the Pack play SF this weekend!!!!)

After our slaughter of the Steelers, it'll be interesting. : )

I'm going to a friend of a friend's house for turkey day and they're not
going to watch football (!!!). What is up with that?

I'll get through it as I always do. But that doesn't mean it's going to ever
be my favorite time of year again. January 2nd is one of my very favorite
days, though. : )

Martha

PS: Thanks eveyone for allowing me to vent. I'll feel better. It just hits
me like a Mack truck when the onslaught starts before Thanksgiving. Enough
already!
Jennifer A - 19 Nov 2003 03:06 GMT
> After our slaughter of the Steelers, it'll be interesting. : )

I'm concerned that we've been playing like crap at home, yet doing mighty
fine on the road beating Tampa Bay.  It should be a good game.

> I'm going to a friend of a friend's house for turkey day and they're not
> going to watch football (!!!). What is up with that?

Sacreligious and un-American if you ask me, especially since the Packers are
playing.

> I'll get through it as I always do. But that doesn't mean it's going to ever
> be my favorite time of year again. January 2nd is one of my very favorite
> days, though. : )
>
> Martha

Mine is the day we get home from Alabama - usually 12/27 or 12/28.  Then
begins the actual BREAK though DH and I never stay up for New Year's.

Jenn
MH - 20 Nov 2003 01:38 GMT
> > After our slaughter of the Steelers, it'll be interesting. : )
>
> I'm concerned that we've been playing like crap at home, yet doing mighty
> fine on the road beating Tampa Bay.  It should be a good game.

Yes, it will. Rattay is playing really well....Jeff better watch out.

> > I'm going to a friend of a friend's house for turkey day and they're not
> > going to watch football (!!!). What is up with that?
>
> Sacreligious and un-American if you ask me, especially since the Packers are
> playing.

Yes. We've decided to watch some of the games before we go to his friend's
house for dinner. Best of both worlds.

> > I'll get through it as I always do. But that doesn't mean it's going to
> ever
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>
> Jenn

I have worked rock concerts for every New Year's Eve since 1990. I don't
miss partying Amateur Night.

Martha
determined - 17 Nov 2003 16:41 GMT
> > Does anyone else have a rough time during *the holidays*? I love the
> colder
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> >
> > Martha

I used to feel like that - in all honesty, what changed me was an attitude
adjustment.  I'm single, not religious, not close to family, so I understand
how you feel.  But I'm a big girl now, and I get to decide how I'm going to
spend my time and how I'm going to feel about my life.  I'm making my own
traditions now.  Of course, I have a 6 yr old that inspires me to get out
the glitter and glue and make pictures of christmas trees and whatnot.  I
joined ski patrol this year, so I'm keeping busy with training for that, I
ski during free time, I'm teaching my daughter how to ski too.  We keep
busy - there's no time for feeling glum.  Feeling bad is a waste of time.
I'd suggest keeping busy - maybe get involved in volunteering to help others
less fortunate than you - help bring a smile to someone else this holiday
season.  It's not as bad as it seems, and you need to look at the cup as
half full, not half empty!

det
Cp - 19 Nov 2003 21:25 GMT
> > > Does anyone else have a rough time during *the holidays*? I love the
> > colder
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>
> det

Although we do celebrate Christmas, I understand those who don't especially
like the day.  My suggestion would be to make up your own traditions.  I
know a friend who gets out to see a movie every year.  Take the holidays and
do what feels special to you.
Jayjay - 19 Nov 2003 21:32 GMT
>Although we do celebrate Christmas, I understand those who don't especially
>like the day.  My suggestion would be to make up your own traditions.  I
>know a friend who gets out to see a movie every year.  Take the holidays and
>do what feels special to you.

Exactly!

Thanksgiving this year - hopefully we'll be out on the boat fishing.

I've got a group of people I work with that every year the 3 couples
get together for the long Thanksgiving weekend and go camping
together.   They smoke a turkey and its 3 couples/friends getting
together to enjoy the weekend.

When my ex was in the Navy, we would invite our friends over for the
holidays.   Bunch of young guys and couples that didn't have the $$ to
"go home" for the holidays and instead we made a new tradition of
dinner w/ friends.

Now that I've gotten away from the dysfunctional family gatherings for
the holdiays, I look forward to a FREE DAY OFF WORK as my holiday.   A
day to sleep in, lounge around the house, not worry about work or
stress, and spend the day doing what "I" want.   If that means
sleeping all day - YEAH>  Or, if that means grabbing the canoe and
going canoeing, or for a long bike ride, or out on the boat ..  some
fun activity - YEAH...
MH - 20 Nov 2003 01:38 GMT
> Now that I've gotten away from the dysfunctional family gatherings for
> the holdiays, I look forward to a FREE DAY OFF WORK as my holiday.   A
> day to sleep in, lounge around the house, not worry about work or
> stress, and spend the day doing what "I" want.   If that means
> sleeping all day - YEAH>

Damn straight I'm doing plenty of that! : )

Martha
Beverly - 17 Nov 2003 02:57 GMT
> Does anyone else have a rough time during *the holidays*? I love the colder
> weather, the dark nights and winter, but I really dislike Thanksgiving
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>
> Martha

I hate this time of year because of the weather and shorter days.  I don't
mind sunshine and snow but we usually get gloom and slush here in SW Ohio.

I actually like the holidays and the family traditions.  For the past 20
years my sister and I have told our kids and grandkids to visit their
in-laws on Thanksgiving day.  She and I go out to eat and do some stocking
stuffer shopping.  In the evening I'll go to my ex daughter-in-law's for a
piece of her delicious Texas sheetcake.

We don't buy a lot of gifts at Christmas.  I gave up trying to buy for the
teenage granddaughters a few years ago.  We started a new family tradition.
I now give them a small gift and a gift certificate to the mall.  A few days
after Christmas we go out for lunch and an afternoon of shopping.  They
enjoy it as they get to pick out what they want and I enjoy not having the
hassle of shopping for them.  I think I'm going to do the same thing for my
kids this year as they usually end up going shopping with us.

How about doing something different this year, Martha.  You could take a
short trip and do something for yourself.  You might also consider doing
some volunteer work over the holidays.  Hospitals, nursing homes, etc are
always happy to have some extra hands at the holidays.

Beverly
Jayjay - 17 Nov 2003 16:59 GMT
>Does anyone else have a rough time during *the holidays*? I love the colder
>weather, the dark nights and winter, but I really dislike Thanksgiving
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>
>Martha

You aren't alone.   Granted, I have BF and DS...  but the rest of my
family is so disfunctional its not worth the effort...  

My problem starts w/ the time change.   I still haven't adjusted and
it kills me because my major forms of exercise is outdoor activity.  I
hate this idea of being dark by the time I leave work at night.  

My exercise efforts have been sucky since the time change, my
motivation has dropped, I have no energy after work, and for some
reason my mornings have me too exhausted to wake up and exercise.

Last year we resolved the thanksgiving issue w/ going on a cruise for
the week.   Gave us a great excuse to avoid the family thing.

This year its going to be all about friends.    I've come to the
realization that when it comes to the holidays you shoudl be around
those you care about.   My friends are my family.  :)    I'd much
rather spend the time with friends than with family.

Then there's the shopping and pressures.   This time of year it seems
that there is never enough time to get everything done.   I'm so
rushed and stressed I hate it.   And of course that also means
exercise goes to the wayside too.  I hate that too!

Its very frustrating!
determined - 17 Nov 2003 17:08 GMT
> >Does anyone else have a rough time during *the holidays*? I love the colder
> >weather, the dark nights and winter, but I really dislike Thanksgiving
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> You aren't alone.   Granted, I have BF and DS...  but the rest of my
> family is so disfunctional its not worth the effort...

This made me laugh!  It's exactly how I feel about my family...  Sad, but
true!  I just don't feel obligated to go through unneccesary discomfort
during the holidays - I'm going to avoid all the stress and leave the
state...

det
roxan - 17 Nov 2003 21:21 GMT
I must agree that I am sick of hearing Christmas carols too. I am always
glad when the holidays are over. Why is it that everyone has a party at the
holidays and then nothing for months.
Roxan
> Does anyone else have a rough time during *the holidays*? I love the colder
> weather, the dark nights and winter, but I really dislike Thanksgiving
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>
> Martha
MH - 18 Nov 2003 04:39 GMT
> I must agree that I am sick of hearing Christmas carols too. I am always
> glad when the holidays are over. Why is it that everyone has a party at the
> holidays and then nothing for months.
> Roxan

Actually, when I had a big enough place (my apartment is too small now), I
used to have a party in early January to celebrate the *holidays* being
over. Everyone loved it. : )

I've loved xmas in my past. But that was when the two most important people
in my life were alive. My mom and ex-bf passed away. They were part of what
the *holidays* meant to me.

When xmas day gets here, I have a good time, because I spend it with my
friends, but it's dealing with all the other stuff along the way.

And yeah, I'm busy; usually too busy. That's another thing. Everyone always
suggests volunteer work. Sorry, don't have the time. In between living my
life, I have all the other *holiday* stuff to deal with.

Martha
Barbara Hirsch - 18 Nov 2003 01:53 GMT
>Does anyone else have a rough time during *the holidays*? I love the colder
>weather, the dark nights and winter, but I really dislike Thanksgiving
>through xmas. I'm not religious, I'm not close to my family, not married, no
>boyfriend, etc. etc. All my inadequacies seem to be magnified. Everywhere I
>go, everything I see reminds me of what I don't have. I hate it.

Back when Marty was well enough, we used to take the time to go away
on a vacation. One of our favorites was San Francisco (but you live
there, don't you? so somewhere else!).

Last year we went to the movies on Christmas and saw "Catch me if you
can". You can always start a tradition that you keep each year, even
if you don't have a family!

Marty's not doing too well these days, so I'm not sure what Christmas
will bring me either. But no matter what, I'll make it be OK.

Good luck.
Barbara

Barbara Hirsch, Publisher
OBESITY MEDS AND RESEARCH NEWS
The latest in obesity research and weight loss drug development
http://www.obesity-news.com/
roxan - 18 Nov 2003 04:19 GMT
I am sorry to hear that Marty is not doing well. Hang in there Barbara, I
know you have had a tuff road to travel lately.
Roxan

> >Does anyone else have a rough time during *the holidays*? I love the colder
> >weather, the dark nights and winter, but I really dislike Thanksgiving
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> The latest in obesity research and weight loss drug development
> http://www.obesity-news.com/
Chris Braun - 18 Nov 2003 05:12 GMT
>I am sorry to hear that Marty is not doing well. Hang in there Barbara, I
>know you have had a tuff road to travel lately.

Me too, Barbara.  I will keep you and Marty in my thoughts and
prayers.  It must be very hard -- I can only imagine.

Chris
Beverly - 18 Nov 2003 12:41 GMT
> >I am sorry to hear that Marty is not doing well. Hang in there Barbara, I
> >know you have had a tuff road to travel lately.
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>
> Chris

The same here.  I certainly hope his health improves soon.

Beverly
Barbara Hirsch - 19 Nov 2003 11:01 GMT
>I am sorry to hear that Marty is not doing well. Hang in there Barbara, I
>know you have had a tuff road to travel lately.

Roxan, Chris, Beverly,

The next few days will tell more. Marty had a heart attack, probably
some time last week. The docs think he has a clot in his heart, a
trans esophageal echocardiogram (this is where the put the echo down
your throat) probably later today, will tell us more.

One day Marty's condition improves a little, next day he's in bad
shape. Today he wasn't in good enough shape to decide whether or not
he wanted to be DNR (do not resuscitate) so I had to make the decision
for him.

We'd talked about it, I know it's what he'd want, but this was very
hard to do. It was even harder watching them put the little red dot on
his wrist band, the indication at Fairfax not to resuscitate him if he
has a coronary.

The one good thing is that when it became obvious that Marty needed to
be hospitalized, I refused to let him be ambulanced to Alexandria
Hospital or Mount Vernon (which isn't much better). The doc on call
said 911 wouldn't ambulance him to Fairfax Hospital. Marty couldn't
walk and I didn't have a wheel chair. So I took my office chair and
wheeled him down to the car in that. He had to stand every time I
wheeled it over a threshhold, but we made it to the car, and then to
Fairfax. I bought a small fold up wheel chair to be kept in our trunk
from now on, so we will never have to deal with that again.

Well, outside of Fairfax being a far superior hospital with amazing
care (my experience so far), it is the major cardiac center in
Northern Virginia. I didn't know that Marty had suffered a heart
attack when I brought him there, and although I'm far from religious,
sometimes things do happen for a purpose.

Anyway, that's the latest. Thanks for all the good wishes. They are
very much appreciated.

Barbara

Barbara Hirsch, Publisher
OBESITY MEDS AND RESEARCH NEWS
The latest in obesity research and weight loss drug development
http://www.obesity-news.com/
Cellach - 19 Nov 2003 11:09 GMT
>From: Barbara Hirsch asd@obesity-news.com
>Date: 19/11/2003 11:01 GMT Standard Time
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>The latest in obesity research and weight loss drug development
>http://www.obesity-news.com/

Barbara,

Even those of us who don't know you and Marty are thinking about you. Hope it
gets more peaceful and less stressed for you both.

Cellach
Ignoramus18270 - 19 Nov 2003 11:41 GMT
I want to wish you good luck Barbara...

i

>>I am sorry to hear that Marty is not doing well. Hang in there Barbara, I
>>know you have had a tuff road to travel lately.
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> The latest in obesity research and weight loss drug development
> http://www.obesity-news.com/
jmk - 19 Nov 2003 12:51 GMT
>>I am sorry to hear that Marty is not doing well. Hang in there Barbara, I
>>know you have had a tuff road to travel lately.
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> trans esophageal echocardiogram (this is where the put the echo down
> your throat) probably later today, will tell us more.

Oh no!  I am so sorry to hear this.  You and Marty will definitely be in
my thoughts and, I'm sure, the thoughts of many people in this
newsgroup.  Please keep as posted on Marty's progress.

Signature

jmk in NC

beeswing - 19 Nov 2003 15:30 GMT
Barbara wrote:

>Anyway, that's the latest.

My thoughts are with you. Best wishes to you and Marty.

Take care.

beeswing
Chris Braun - 19 Nov 2003 23:13 GMT
>Well, outside of Fairfax being a far superior hospital with amazing
>care (my experience so far), it is the major cardiac center in
>Northern Virginia. I didn't know that Marty had suffered a heart
>attack when I brought him there, and although I'm far from religious,
>sometimes things do happen for a purpose.

I've heard excellent things about Fairfax Hospital in general, and
about their cardiac unit in particular.  I'm glad Marty is there.

I'm near Fairfax Hospital almost every day, as my gym is in Fairfax
(Lifetime Fitness, in the Fair City Mall).  If there's ever anything I
can do to help, just ask.  If you email me privately, I will be happy
to send phone numbers.

Again, I'll keep you both in my thoughts.  

Chris
MH - 18 Nov 2003 04:42 GMT
> >Does anyone else have a rough time during *the holidays*? I love the colder
> >weather, the dark nights and winter, but I really dislike Thanksgiving
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> on a vacation. One of our favorites was San Francisco (but you live
> there, don't you? so somewhere else!).

No can do. I have no vacation time until next year. Besides, I'm the new kid
at work (since last June), so all the time is taken in December. So, even if
I did have some days off (which I don't), I couldn't use them.

> Last year we went to the movies on Christmas and saw "Catch me if you
> can". You can always start a tradition that you keep each year, even
> if you don't have a family!

I go to my friends' house, which is fine and fun. It's not really that, it's
all the other stuff, like company xmas parties, commercials, etc.

> Marty's not doing too well these days, so I'm not sure what Christmas
> will bring me either. But no matter what, I'll make it be OK.
>
> Good luck.
> Barbara

You too, Barbara. Best of luck to you.

Martha
 
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