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Weight Loss Forum / General Topics / September 2005Doctor in trouble for 'insulting fat patient'
This physician should be commended for telling the woman the truth. Can anyone please tell me what this doctor said that wasn't 100% correct? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/08/26/wfat26.xml&sShee t=/news/2005/08/26/ixworld.html Doctor in trouble for 'insulting fat patient' Efforts to tackle soaring obesity rates in America have taken a knock after a doctor was censured for telling a patient she was fat. Dr Terry Bennett, of New Hampshire, informed the woman that she was overweight and that it was harming her health. Her husband was also obese, he said, and would probably die before her, and given her weight she would have problems finding another man. > This physician should be commended for telling the woman the truth. Can > anyone please tell me what this doctor said that wasn't 100% correct? Telling the patient she was fat doesn't look to be the problem here. The problem is what he said next. " Her husband was also obese, he said, and would probably die before her, and given her weight she would have ***problems finding another man***." The doctor isn't in MUCH trouble. Just a censure. > > This physician should be commended for telling the woman the truth. Can > > anyone please tell me what this doctor said that wasn't 100% correct? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > The doctor isn't in MUCH trouble. Just a censure. Statistaclly, isn't the doctor correct? Widows predominate.  SignatureDiva ***** The Best Man For The Job Is A Woman > > > This physician should be commended for telling the woman the truth. Can > > > anyone please tell me what this doctor said that wasn't 100% correct? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Statistaclly, isn't the doctor correct? Widows predominate. Apologies for failing to excise other groups in original post. SignatureDiva ***** The Best Man For The Job Is A Woman > > > This physician should be commended for telling the woman the truth. Can > > > anyone please tell me what this doctor said that wasn't 100% correct? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Statistaclly, isn't the doctor correct? Widows predominate. So she gets the choice of being widowed and slim or being widowed and being fat. Great incentive. Maybe she'll choose to add a few more stone in hopes of dying first. The doctor is seriously diplomatically challenged. > Statistaclly, isn't the doctor correct? Yes, he is correct. SignatureThe best MAN for the job is a man. (Duh.) Number 89,320,943 on the list of things feminists "just don't get" (a little feminist lingo there). > Telling the patient she was fat doesn't look to be the problem here. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > her, and given her weight she would have ***problems finding another > man***." Ya, I think that might be the part the really ticked her off. It's not really a doctor's place to tell someone they're going to be widowed and unboinkable because of their weight. For what it's worth, though, I do have some sympathy for the doctor as well. He might have not chosen the right words, but at least he did try. I've been fat for a very long time. In the past 20 years, I've only had one doctor tell me that I needed to lose weight, and oddly he did it when I was only about 40 pounds overweight at the time, not where I eventually ended up at. I'd like to think that the rest of the doctors that have seen me have been giving me enough credit to know that I'm fat and ought to do something about it. But I have a sinking feeling that they've had their heads bitten off in the past too many times when they've said things to patients that the patients just didn't want to hear. I have a strong suspicion that there alot of obese people out there who are convinced they are simply a little "heavy", but it's not a major problem. SignatureAnnie As of 8-26-05: 258/213.5/140 Standing at 5 foot 4. No Change from 8-19-05. 44.5 pounds lost. 73.5 left to go. Started February/07/05 Come visit my weight-loss web site, Annie Takes Off. http://webpages.charter.net/lenny13/DietFrontPage.html >> Telling the patient she was fat doesn't look to be the problem here. >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > not really a doctor's place to tell someone they're going to be widowed > and unboinkable because of their weight. LOL - I love your way with words Annie! Signaturethe volleyballchick >>> Telling the patient she was fat doesn't look to be the problem here. >>> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >LOL - I love your way with words Annie! I don't. Fat people get "boinked" -- as do ugly people, pretty people, nice people, mean people, rich people, poor people, cheap people, generous people and so on. Anyone can get "boinked" if she so chooses. It's a fallacy to say fat makes a /woman/ "unboinkable." (How romantic a choice of words, by the way!) Maybe the patient was upset that the doctor decreed her husband would die before she did, huh? But that's just too caring of a possibility for the cynics, isn't it? It's based on another bullsh*t fallacy anyway -- "fat causes death." In actuality, being sedentary, not fat, is what is hazardous to one's health. There /are/ unhealthy, sedentary thin people. There are also "unboinkable" thin people. I am confused about something you said. You said: > I don't. Fat people get "boinked" -- as do ugly people, pretty people, > nice people, mean people, rich people, poor people, cheap people, > generous people and so on. Anyone can get "boinked" if she so chooses. That pretty much means that, according to you, there are no 'unboinkable' people. > There are also "unboinkable" thin people. And now you say that some people are unboinkable. Which way is it? i >I am confused about something you said. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >That pretty much means that, according to you, there are no >'unboinkable' people. No. It means, according to me, people are "boinkable" (oh my God, am I actually having a discussion using such a juvenile term?) or "unboinkable" based on a wide variety of criteria. Fat isn't the deterrent people like to think it is. >> There are also "unboinkable" thin people. > >And now you say that some people are unboinkable. > >Which way is it? You misinterpreted. Fat, ugly, pretty, nice, mean, rich, poor, cheap, generous, and thin are but ten ways of categorizing people. Those ten don't come close to covering /all/ people. HTH. > >I am confused about something you said. > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > No. It means, according to me, people are "boinkable" (oh my God, am I > actually having a discussion using such a juvenile term?) ROFL!! It was funny anyway! :D or > "unboinkable" based on a wide variety of criteria. Fat isn't the > deterrent people like to think it is. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > generous, and thin are but ten ways of categorizing people. Those ten > don't come close to covering /all/ people. HTH. Made perfect sense to me the first time around. And it's still rather funny. Martha > It's based on another bullsh*t fallacy > anyway -- "fat causes death." In actuality, being sedentary, not fat, > is what is hazardous to one's health. "Both increased adiposity and reduced physical activity are strong and independent predictors of death.A higher level of physical activity does not appear to negate the risk associated with adiposity." -- Hu FB, Willett WC, Li T, Stampfer MJ, Colditz GA, Manson JE. Adiposity as compared with physical activity in predicting mortality among women. N Engl J Med. 2004 Dec 23;351(26):2694-703. >> It's based on another bullsh*t fallacy >> anyway -- "fat causes death." In actuality, being sedentary, not [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >among women. >N Engl J Med. 2004 Dec 23;351(26):2694-703. Isn't "appear" such an interesting choice of word? So equivocal. So unsure. Please cite the actual study that supports the above vague statements. And let's hope it's not that tired old CDC one that failed to weed out the smokers when examining mortality rates. >>> It's based on another bullsh*t fallacy >>> anyway -- "fat causes death." In actuality, being sedentary, not [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > And let's hope it's not that tired old CDC one that failed to weed out > the smokers when examining mortality rates. Surely you are joking, but in case not I will explain the citation above. The researchers are F. B. Hu, W.C. Willett, T. Li, M.J. Stampfer, G.A. Colditz, and J.E. Manson. Their findings are titled: "Adiposity as compared with physical activity in predicting mortality among women." The study was published in the New England Journal of Medicine on the 23rd day of December in the year of our Lord 2004. When you use the above information to find the abstract on Pubmed you will find the study considered only women who had never smoked. SignatureMatthew Slow and steady wins the race. >>>> Telling the patient she was fat doesn't look to be the problem here. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > There are also "unboinkable" thin people. If you took the chip off of your shoulder and read the whole thing, you would notice that her position was that she could see how the patient was ticked off. The use of the word unboinkable (which I just love because I've never heard it before) was not intended as a slam against the woman from Annie so to speak but just a colorful way to summarize the doctor's comments. Chill out. Signaturethe volleyballchick >>>>> Telling the patient she was fat doesn't look to be the problem here. >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] >from Annie so to speak but just a colorful way to summarize the doctor's >comments. Chill out. Point taken, Nunya. It's just that a doctor would /never/ say such a thing to a man. And it isn't even true. I can see where "unboinkable" can be funny, but it just trivialized women the way I first read it. No offense to Annie. Just the way I took it. >>>>>> Telling the patient she was fat doesn't look to be the problem here. >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > Point taken, Nunya. It's just that a doctor would /never/ say such a > thing to a man. And it isn't even true. I happen to agree with you on that - I don't think a doctor would say that to a man. Then again it is known that the medical profession lags a little behind when it comes to women vs. men but the drug companies definitely need to spend more $$ on making sure the male erection remains intact until death. (that was sarcasm btw). > I can see where "unboinkable" can be funny, but it just trivialized > women the way I first read it. No offense to Annie. Just the way I > took it. Gotcha! All is good. Unboinkable is a funny word, the situation itself isn't all that funny. Signaturethe volleyballchick > Point taken, Nunya. It's just that a doctor would /never/ say such a > thing to a man. And it isn't even true. I don't know that this is true. For all we know this doctor might routinely tell his male patients that they aren't likely to get much pu... um... intimate physical contact with woman unless they drop weight. Just because the main character in this little drama is a chick doesn't necessarily turn this into a sexist issue. > I can see where "unboinkable" can be funny, but it just trivialized > women the way I first read it. How so? It takes two to boink, and in heterosexual relationships one of those is a man. How is the term inherently more prone to trivialize one of the sexes over the other? > No offense to Annie. Just the way I > took it. I took no offense. I've misread stuff plenty of times. It happens. And even if it wasn't a misreading, well, I'm a big girl and I can handle the fact that not everyone is going to like or agree with everything I say. SignatureAnnie As of 8-26-05: 258/213.5/140 Standing at 5 foot 4. No Change from 8-19-05. 44.5 pounds lost. 73.5 left to go. Started February/07/05 Come visit my weight-loss web site, Annie Takes Off. http://webpages.charter.net/lenny13/DietFrontPage.html > I don't. Fat people get "boinked" -- as do ugly people, pretty people, > nice people, mean people, rich people, poor people, cheap people, > generous people and so on. Anyone can get "boinked" if she so chooses. I completely agree. I know this is true because I've watched the Jerry Springer show. Watch more than two episodes any I believe anyone will come to the conclusion that anyone regardless of their looks, personality, income level, or education is able to find as many sexual partners as they wish. > It's a fallacy to say fat makes a /woman/ "unboinkable." (How romantic > a choice of words, by the way!) More romantic than "unfuckable", at any rate. And, I think, more so than saying "unable to a partner for coital activities". But that is just my opinion, of course. "Boink" just *sounds* fun! Serious. If I had to sleep with one of three guys, each of whom came up to me and said either "Wanna f.ck?" "Wanna boink?" or "Wanna engage in coitus?" I don't think you'd be surprised at who would get the nod. But I do agree with you about the fallacy part. > Maybe the patient was upset that the doctor decreed her husband would > die before she did, huh? But that's just too caring of a possibility > for the cynics, isn't it? I think this might have been a big factor in what set her off. It simply isn't a doctor's place, IMHO, to tell basically patients that they are going to die alone and unloved because of their weight. >It's based on another bullsh*t fallacy > anyway -- "fat causes death." In actuality, being sedentary, not fat, > is what is hazardous to one's health. There /are/ unhealthy, sedentary > thin people. Sure. But I do think that if you take two people of similar activity levels, one fat, one thin, the fat one is going to less healthy in the long run than the thin person. Being sedentary is definitely bad, all right. Being fat is also bad. > There are also "unboinkable" thin people. Sure are. There's this one guy at work, real thin. He's also really, really creepy. He just sends out these vibes. Everyone in the place cringes when he walks by. There's there one guy at work also who weighs about 75 pounds more than the first guy, I would guess. He's open and friendly and warm in personality. Much more boinkable. I'm glad that we are in such a state of agreement! SignatureAnnie As of 8-26-05: 258/213.5/140 Standing at 5 foot 4. No Change from 8-19-05. 44.5 pounds lost. 73.5 left to go. Started February/07/05 Come visit my weight-loss web site, Annie Takes Off. http://webpages.charter.net/lenny13/DietFrontPage.html > LOL - I love your way with words Annie! Thanks! I thought that "boink" was pretty common slang, but I guess I was mistaken. SignatureAnnie As of 8-26-05: 258/213.5/140 Standing at 5 foot 4. No Change from 8-19-05. 44.5 pounds lost. 73.5 left to go. Started February/07/05 Come visit my weight-loss web site, Annie Takes Off. http://webpages.charter.net/lenny13/DietFrontPage.html >> LOL - I love your way with words Annie! > > Thanks! I thought that "boink" was pretty common slang, but I guess >I was mistaken. I thought it was a typo at first - here in the UK we say "bonk", but I guess it means the same thing:) janice >>> LOL - I love your way with words Annie! >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I thought it was a typo at first - here in the UK we say "bonk", but I > guess it means the same thing:) Yes, it does :) Signaturethe volleyballchick > This physician should be commended for telling the woman the truth. Can > anyone please tell me what this doctor said that wasn't 100% correct? A doctor's job is to help his patients, not tell the truth. > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/08/26/wfat26.xml&sShee t=/news/2005/08/26/ixworld.html > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > and > given her weight she would have problems finding another man. hah! <SARCASM> ok honey, I will just give you more pills to combat your problem and not tell you the truth about it</SARCASM> > > This physician should be commended for telling the woman the truth. Can > > anyone please tell me what this doctor said that wasn't 100% correct? > > A doctor's job is to help his patients, not tell the truth. And how is he helping them by not telling the truth? >> > This physician should be commended for telling the woman the truth. Can >> > anyone please tell me what this doctor said that wasn't 100% correct? >> >> A doctor's job is to help his patients, not tell the truth. > > And how is he helping them by not telling the truth? Think. I'm sure you'll come up with something. On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 23:23:56 -0400, wrote: >This physician should be commended for telling the woman the truth. >Can anyone please tell me what this doctor said that wasn't 100% >correct? His comments about her romantic life are out of bounds. Correct information has nothing to do with the issue. He could tell that if she doesn't lose weight she will die because of EXISTING health problems. Why is it that when a fat person has high blood pressure it is because they are fat, yet a thin person's is always caused by something else. If this doctor cannot explore ALL reasons for a health problem he has no business being a doctor. 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