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Buddee - 22 Nov 2003 22:45 GMT
Ok, I have lowbody fat, always have. I noticed around 4-5 years ago that I
actually had to start eating right because my youthfull metabolism was
slowing down, (I'm 28 now). I work out and eat very well now, lots of
protein, whole grains, no refined sugar, get plenty of vitamins and
minerals, etc. To me, being fit has always just seemed to be the obvious
thing to do. My question is...I see fat people everywhere, how does this
happen? I truly don't understand how somebody can let themsleves get to the
point of obesity. I'm not talking about the folks with glandular issues or
other medical related obesity problems, I'm talking about those who eat too
much crap and don't exercise. With all the benefits of being fit; health,
self image, being treated better, attractiveness, etc, I don't understand
why there is such an epidemic in north america.

Again, I really do not mean this in a mean way to anybody who is overweight
or obese. I am simply curious and would like to understand the problem
better.

Buddee.
Wendy - 22 Nov 2003 22:43 GMT
> My question is...I see fat people everywhere, how does this
> happen? I truly don't understand how somebody can let themsleves get to the
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> self image, being treated better, attractiveness, etc, I don't understand
> why there is such an epidemic in north america.

Well, one reason is that not everyone thinks the same way you do.  They
value different things.  If what they value is greasy food, the
entertainment value of eating pringles and watching tv, in lounging around
with friends in the livingroom, in drinking beer and hanging loose, well
they will become fat.  In olden days a monarch was expected to be
fat: that's the life of riches and leisure.

Some people consider that vanity is a sin.  Being obsessive about your
workout needs doesn't fit with everyone's life.  For example, I got fat by
exercising less and sustaining multiple blows to my metabolism associated
with pregnancy and the subsequent subsummation of my life to the children.
It's not like one day I had trouble fitting in my jeans, it's more like
for 9 months I wore maternity clothes and my body wasn't shaped the same
ever-after and I didn't have time or energy to do anything about it.

You saw your pants getting tight and several things came together:

You cared and considered it a problem.
You realized that you needed to eat less.  
You knew how to eat less and still be satisfied on those foods.
You changed your habits.

If any one of those four steps were different then you would have had a
different outcome.

Wendy
Ignoramus29540 - 22 Nov 2003 23:20 GMT
> Ok, I have lowbody fat, always have. I noticed around 4-5 years ago that I
> actually had to start eating right because my youthfull metabolism was
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> or obese. I am simply curious and would like to understand the problem
> better.

Good question. I was fat too. I did not have any special issues,
except that I take thyroid supplements. I suspect that my thyroid made
me a little unbalanced. Still, obviously, I gained weight because I
ate too much, but I was lacking some self regulation.

How did it happen? I liked to eat a little too much and I exercised
too little. Sort of, I was in denial about my weight and ignored
it. Tried to lose it once, starved myself and gave up.

I wish it was more complicated, apparently some individuals here are
much more complex in regards to weight issues. But to me it was liking
to eat too much, and eating wrong food, and sedentary lifestyle.

i
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Chris Braun - 23 Nov 2003 00:20 GMT
Well -- just a short answer to a complex question:  In my case -- and
in that of many people I know -- appearance and fitness have now
always been major concerns.  My self-image has, for most of my life,
been more invested in being smart and successful.  And being
overweight didn't have a significant impact on that self-image.  It
was only after I got involved in weight-lifting (whole long story that
I won't recount now) that I became concerned with other aspects of
fitness and appearance.  

Many of my friends and colleagues (mostly all in the
computer/engineering business) have a similar mindset.

Chris
262/172/???
Chris Braun - 23 Nov 2003 00:32 GMT
>Well -- just a short answer to a complex question:  In my case -- and
>in that of many people I know -- appearance and fitness have now
>always been major concerns.  

Correcting myself: that should say, "have NOT always been major
concerns"!

Chris
Ignoramus29540 - 23 Nov 2003 02:04 GMT
> Well -- just a short answer to a complex question:  In my case -- and
> in that of many people I know -- appearance and fitness have now
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> Chris
> 262/172/???

Your summary would be accurate in regards to myself as well.

i
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Buddee - 23 Nov 2003 05:48 GMT
Actually I'm in the computer special effects field myslef.

Buddee.

> Well -- just a short answer to a complex question:  In my case -- and
> in that of many people I know -- appearance and fitness have now
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> Chris
> 262/172/???
Chris Braun - 23 Nov 2003 06:17 GMT
>Actually I'm in the computer special effects field myslef.
>
>Buddee.

One difference between us is that I'm much older than you are -- 55.
And most of my friends are at least 40.  Perhaps there's a different
mindset among younger people than among those who grew up in my
generation?  Though I see just as many overweight younger people as
older ones.

Chris
Patricia Heil - 23 Nov 2003 00:12 GMT
Because people are taught that they don't have to make hard
decisions, somebody will come up with a pill to fix whatever
is wrong with them.  Hence all the people who take pills to
lose weight -- and wind up sick one way or another.

Behind it is the notion that if people know how to make hard
decisions, they won't buy 80% of the things American commerce
wants to make money from.  

Read back through the postings and you will see not only spam
but also some postings from people who have bought the fantasy.

> Ok, I have lowbody fat, always have. I noticed around 4-5 years ago that I
> actually had to start eating right because my youthfull metabolism was
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>
> Buddee.
Ignoramus29540 - 23 Nov 2003 02:05 GMT
> Because people are taught that they don't have to make hard
> decisions, somebody will come up with a pill to fix whatever
> is wrong with them.  Hence all the people who take pills to
> lose weight -- and wind up sick one way or another.

Or they could not be ready YET. If I read your post a year ago, I
would be one of "those people", fitting me to the "t".

i
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Susan Jones-Anderson - 23 Nov 2003 07:21 GMT
For me..
It's much like being an alcoholic or an addict. How does an addict
become an addict?  Because they think they can control it even if it's
"just this once" - Since some serious self discovery I have learned that
I can not take that path. There is no "just one snickers bar" for me, or
"I'll skip working out just this once" It *has* to be a reasonable
conscious effort on my part on a daily basis to stop all those bad
habits and replace them with good. It's getting easier yes.. but it is
still a very prevalent part of my day. To make good choices that will
eventually get me to a goal, and I'm not talking about a physical goal
alone but a mental and spiritual one as well. I don't know if this is
how it is for others. But that's how it is for me.

Susan
260/202/160

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> Ok, I have lowbody fat, always have. I noticed around 4-5 years ago that I
> actually had to start eating right because my youthfull metabolism was
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>
> Buddee.
Perple Gyrl - 24 Nov 2003 14:23 GMT
It is the same for me....   With cigs and food and other issues I am working
through.  Just one cig won't work.  I used to do that with my sister, by
just bumming one every now and then when I would do a quit.  Before I would
know it, I would be smoking at full force again.  I can't eat one cookie, I
had to eat the whole box.  For me, it is definately addiction and comfort.
I am taking it day by day now and eating better and working out hard 4-5x a
week.  I can honestly say that this is the LONGEST I've gone this year on a
quitting smoking program w/out one cheat.

284/224/199/???
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> For me..
> It's much like being an alcoholic or an addict. How does an addict
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> > Buddee.
janice - 23 Nov 2003 09:36 GMT
>Ok, I have lowbody fat, always have. I noticed around 4-5 years ago that I
>actually had to start eating right because my youthfull metabolism was
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>
>Buddee.

I'm very sceptical about people who claim "glandular issues or other
medical related obesity problems" but I know there are some who will
tell me I'm wrong.
The answer for me is simplistic (not to be confused with simple!)
For myself, I've spent most of my adult life overweight because I eat
too much.
I eat too much because  I have a compulsive eating problem which I
have never been able to conquer for a sufficient length of time to get
to my goal.
I take a considerable amount of exercise, especially walking,
swimming, etc., but it would take a heck of a lot of exercise to work
off the calories some people eat, including me on a bad day.
It could be that some of this applies to the people you are referring
to, although I agree there are some who take no exercise and who
really don't care about what they eat.
Of course, exercise and eating well is the obvious thing to do.  It's
doing it that many people find difficult almost to the point of
impossibility.
janice
Perple Gyrl - 24 Nov 2003 14:27 GMT
What are you doing now to help conquer the problem???  Are you more
successful at it now then you were??  I've lost and gained weight over and
over again.  This is the thinnest I've gotten myself since I was in my late
teens.  I have food addictions and have suffered from compulsive overeating,
so I was just curious... thanks.

284/224/199/???

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> For myself, I've spent most of my adult life overweight because I eat
> too much.
> I eat too much because  I have a compulsive eating problem which I
> have never been able to conquer for a sufficient length of time to get
> to my goal.
janice - 24 Nov 2003 16:44 GMT
PG - the answer to this is that I have never yet succeeded in
conquering the problem of compulsive overeating since it first
"attacked" me around age 16.  Prior to that I weighed somewhere around
130.  
Like you, I've lost and regained weight over and over.  The highest
I've ever been is 237, and I've lost and gone back up to around 233
many times over, and down as far as around 155.  As I've got older
I've managed to sustain much longer periods on a "sensible" WOE, but
the overeating always reasserts itself at some point.  
I've tried all sorts of outside interventions over the years - group
therapy, one to one therapy, etc. but nothing has ever made the
behaviour go away completely.
I live in  hope!
janice

>What are you doing now to help conquer the problem???  Are you more
>successful at it now then you were??  I've lost and gained weight over and
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>
>284/224/199/???
Perple Gyrl - 24 Nov 2003 15:10 GMT
I live with hope too but doubt that hope is enough!

> I live in  hope!
> janice
Crafting Mom - 23 Nov 2003 17:06 GMT
There was a time when I didn't give a flying fig if I was fat, thin, or
otherwise, as long as I got to eat WHAT I wanted, *when* I wanted.  
There *were* situations in my life which embedded this mindset when I
was younger, of which I acted on later in my life.  My choice, My deal.

Sometimes, seriously, food is tasty, and that taste is addictive for
some, and they'll go through ANYthing, even fatness, to just taste it
yet one more time.

Some people's addictions just happen to be more obvious than others,
that is all.  While one person is engaging in overeating, another person
might be engaging in drugs, or gossiping behind someone's back, or what
have you.

Someday I will reach the point of perfection, and never make any bad
choices WRT eating, or whatever, and as soon as I do, you'll be the
first to know ;-)
Jane Lumley - 24 Nov 2003 08:59 GMT
>My question is...I see fat people everywhere, how does this
>happen? I truly don't understand how somebody can let themsleves get to the
>point of obesity.

1.  Babies.  

Being pregnant makes you very hungry in odd ways.  You CAN control it,
but you have to see the need.  

No-one really said to me, 'look, you need to be willing to be really
hungry for nine months and pretty depressed about it, or to gain 10+
pounds per baby.'  

It also makes your body store fat.  I suspect some of the metabolic
changes are permanent.  

Breastfeeding uses up FAR fewer calories than you are led to believe,
and it causes RAGING carb cravings.  I know someone who gained half a
stone while bf twins.  

2.  Being at home with babies, and bored.

3.  The ideology police.  No-one ever said that being 'normal' weight
was a lot of work.  Heaven forfend.  Any remarks of this kind led to
cries of 'eating disorder'.  

Hence paradoxical alliance between feminism and advertisers to create
delusional state - also induced by advertising showing thin supermodel
pogging self on Haagen-Dazs - that 'normal' people eat a lot and remain
thin.  

So why don't I deserve some too?  Whine.  

4.  Conflicting ideologies - vague notion of keeping cookie jar full on
the one hand and being a size 10 on the other.  If cookie jar is full
most people will sooner or later have a cookie.  

5.  Your metabolism slows as you age, however much you exercise.

I think everyone's answers may be different.  But those are mine.  I
don't want to flame you, but I wouldn't be too sure of myself till I'd
done babies and menopause.  
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Chris Braun - 25 Nov 2003 02:45 GMT
>I wouldn't be too sure of myself till I'd
>done babies and menopause.  

You've got that right, Jane!

Chris (who's done menopause and at this point isn't going to be doing
babies :-) )
Cp - 24 Nov 2003 13:03 GMT
I've seen lots of answers to this question.. but never the obvious one.

Sometimes people are just fat because that's all they've ever known.

I was always a very active kid.  Always wanted to be outdoors.. yet I was
also a chubby kid from the age of 4.  Then I moved on to a heavy teen (180
was lowest at 16).  I'm now a morbidly obese (god I hate those words) adult.
The last 60 or so pounds came on without me even realizing.  Literally I
woke up one day and went... holy sh#t, I'm 240lbs.  After that it was
lifestyle that put on 20 more pounds.

What started it all though, was an unhealthy start.  My mother cooked
extremely greasy food, rewarded good behaviour with sweet treats, healed boo
boo's with ice cream.  My life revolved around food.  It's only now (and by
this I mean the past 5yrs or so) that I've finally begun to deal with the
fact that if I don't change this relationship to food, I will die loving it.
My doctor has already diagnosed me pre-diabetic with high cholesterol and
elevated blood pressure.  I'm only 29.  It's a sobering fact and you know,
sometimes it still isn't enough for me to break the bond I have with food.

I'm not overweight because I want to be.  I'm overweight because I have not
been able to break the cycle.  I'm working on it though.  I'm working hard
and sometimes I succeed and sometimes I fail, but I keep trying.

I initially lost 40lbs and started to feel great but then all of a sudden I
got comfortable, or maybe what I got was just scared.  Scared because if I'm
not "the fat one", then what am I?  Scared of all the attention I could get
if I got "thin". Losing weight sometimes is a huge leap.  I've gained 20 of
those pounds back and I'm working once again to take it off.  My thoughts
are that it's going to take awhile.  I constantly have to have this battle
within me and little by little my battles are being won.

Cp

> Ok, I have lowbody fat, always have. I noticed around 4-5 years ago that I
> actually had to start eating right because my youthfull metabolism was
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>
> Buddee.
Perple Gyrl - 24 Nov 2003 14:36 GMT
Geez, there are so many posts in this thread that I identify with, including
yours.  I've always been chubby growing up.  It wasn't until my 16-17th year
that I got really fat.  My mom was a gourmet cook and a stay at home mom.
She would always cook the most delicious meals.  I am sick of being morbidly
obese too.  I was pre-diabetic and have PCOS, which is a metabolic disorder
that makes it more difficult to lose weight, but not impossible to lose
weight (www.soulcysters.com).  I can't wait to be classified as overweight
instead.  Do you weigh 260 now?  About 5 years ago, I went from 324 to 226
on the Atkins diet and maintained for 2 years.  Over the past 3 years, I've
gained to 284 due to personal issues.  I am now at 224 and freaking out
because this is the least I've weighed since I was in college.

284/224/199/???

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> I've seen lots of answers to this question.. but never the obvious one.
>
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> >
> > Buddee.
Cp - 24 Nov 2003 20:04 GMT
> Geez, there are so many posts in this thread that I identify with, including
> yours.  I've always been chubby growing up.  It wasn't until my 16-17th year
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> Email me at:
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Yes I'm 260 now.  258 as of this morning actually :).  I got down to about
235 in the fall of 2001 and that was the least I weighed in about 8 years.
I briefly (and I mean for 2 months) weighed 222 after my daughter was born
(almost 6 yrs ago) but that quickly came back.  I went up to a high of 275
after that.  That's when I lost the 40lbs.

If it's any consolation, I don't think you're considered mobidly obese
anymore.  To be in that club you need to be 100+lbs over your ideal weight.
It's funny, I just noticed that our temporary goals are also the same. I
always used to skip over that goal but then decided it was much more
realistic of me to have it.  I also set up a 1yr goal of 35lbs.  It's one
pound a week for 35 weeks, that will take me to my 30th birthday.

Ok, probably too much info, but I like to babble sometimes :)
Perple Gyrl - 24 Nov 2003 15:13 GMT
Its ok... I babble too sometimes!  Anyway, I think I will cry when I hit
199.  It has been 1/2 of my life since the doctor's scale used a weight
under 200 on me.  My goal is to hit 199 by my 35th birthday in February.
How tall are you?  I am a bit over 5'9".

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> > Geez, there are so many posts in this thread that I identify with,
> including
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>
> Ok, probably too much info, but I like to babble sometimes :)
Cp - 25 Nov 2003 13:28 GMT
> Its ok... I babble too sometimes!  Anyway, I think I will cry when I hit
> 199.  It has been 1/2 of my life since the doctor's scale used a weight
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> Email me at:
> perpleglow(AT)comcast.net

I'm short.. 5'4 last I checked.  My doctor actually told me once (when I was
242lbs) that if I lost those 40 lbs I'd be alright.  I started out thinking
I had to get to at least 140.  Then it was ok... maybe 150.  Now I've been
in the 200's for so long (since 1993) I'll be happy to see anything that
starts with a 1.  I think if I ever, scratch that.. WHEN I see that number
I'm going to scream so loud someone will call the police.  Thankfully you
get there slowly, cause if that number just suddenly appeared someone would
have to pick me up off the floor with smelling salts. :)
Perple Gyrl - 24 Nov 2003 14:31 GMT
Maybe if I hit the 100's, someone will actucally be able to lift me and not
pull a muscle if I pass out.

Thankfully you
> get there slowly, cause if that number just suddenly appeared someone would
> have to pick me up off the floor with smelling salts. :)
Amanda - 25 Nov 2003 19:04 GMT
> Maybe if I hit the 100's, someone will actucally be able to lift
> me and not pull a muscle if I pass out.
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> would
>> have to pick me up off the floor with smelling salts. :)

I feel the same way.  I'm currently at 225 (5'3") which is my highest
weight.  I'm 22 and just got marriend in June.  I'm so paranoid about
my weight that I refused to allow my husband to try and carry me over
the threshhold.  He wanted to, said it wouldn't be a problem, but I was
so scared he would hurt himself.  Eventually I will be down to about
150 (I'm flexible, it'll depend on how I feel when I get there.  My
long-term goal is 130) I'll let him carry me over whatever threshhold
we happen to have at the time.  After he does, though, he'll probably
have to use those smelling salts on me, cuz I'll have fainted from joy.

Amanda
Perple Gyrl - 24 Nov 2003 15:33 GMT
Well congrats on the marraige!  We both got men that must love us for us...
since I got married in July and weighed 280+ at the time!!

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> > Maybe if I hit the 100's, someone will actucally be able to lift
> > me and not pull a muscle if I pass out.
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>
> Amanda
Amanda - 26 Nov 2003 05:24 GMT
> Well congrats on the marraige!  We both got men that must love us
> for us... since I got married in July and weighed 280+ at the
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> Email me at:
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congrats to you, too!!!!!  That's the only thing that really keeps me
going...knowing that he really doesn't care, as long as I'm healthy.  
Of course, that will require me to lose weight, but I'm not sick so
he's fine with it.  He's also fine with me dieting...or not....whatever
makes me happy.

I can tell you, though.  One of the reasons I fell in love with him is
that he's the only man that ever made me feel beautiful.  And we were
friends for a year before we started dating so, he does like me for me.  
Feels great, doesn't it?

Here's to continued happiness and ongoing love.

Amanda
Perple Gyrl - 24 Nov 2003 15:55 GMT
Aww that's great!!

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> > Well congrats on the marraige!  We both got men that must love us
> > for us... since I got married in July and weighed 280+ at the
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>
> Amanda
Crafting Mom - 26 Nov 2003 06:17 GMT
>> Well congrats on the marraige!  We both got men that must love us
>> for us... since I got married in July and weighed 280+ at the
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>he's fine with it.  He's also fine with me dieting...or not....whatever
>makes me happy.

Just want to join the "me too" club!  My husband is like that all the
way.  He loves ME, the person, and chose me not because of external
criteria the world tries (unsuccessfully, mind you) to infiltrate our
brains with, but because I just happen to be the person he envisioned
merging lives with forever.
Wendy - 26 Nov 2003 17:28 GMT
> Just want to join the "me too" club!  My husband is like that all the
> way.  He loves ME, the person, and chose me not because of external
> criteria the world tries (unsuccessfully, mind you) to infiltrate our
> brains with, but because I just happen to be the person he envisioned
> merging lives with forever.

Hmmm.  I've got a great marriage, but my husband prefers big boobs.  He's
practically gone into mourning over my rapid loss of frontal chest
ornaments.  He's started mentioning how I've lost enough [boobs] and he
likes my shape the way it is [please no more boob loss!].

I don't think he's planning a divorce, but I think it would be naive of me
to say that he doesn't care about how my body looks.  He does.  He likes
that a waist has appeared on me.  But he doesn't want me boney and he
absolutely does NOT want me flat.

So, count me out of your group of "my husband loves my body no matter
what it looks like."  Mine has opinions.  I tend to imagine that the men
marrying 200+ women might prefer 200+ women, but I certainly could be
wrong.

Wendy, married 15 years
Ignoramus30551 - 26 Nov 2003 18:40 GMT
>> Just want to join the "me too" club!  My husband is like that all the
>> way.  He loves ME, the person, and chose me not because of external
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>
> Wendy, married 15 years

A spouse who does not care how you look, does not sound like someone
very interested in a close, intimate physical relationship. Maybe such
a person looks for comfort, companionship, etc, but not for physical
closeness and mutual admiration.

A spouse who does not concern him/herself with your health and the
consequences of obesity, is not showing the proper level of care. If
my wife grew a strange lesion, I would tell her about it and the need
to check it. If she became morbidly obese, it would be similar. The key
here is that we have to be reasonable... and not take everything to
extremes.

I would freak out and do my utmost to effect positive changes if, say,
my spouse gained 120 lbs. (it would be different if you substitute 50
lbs for 120).

I do not consider this shallow or unreasonable behavior.

Again, the key is to be reasonable, tactful, and act with
understanding if possible.

i
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Crafting Mom - 27 Nov 2003 01:04 GMT
>A spouse who does not care how you look, does not sound like someone
>very interested in a close, intimate physical relationship. Maybe such
>a person looks for comfort, companionship, etc, but not for physical
>closeness and mutual admiration.

My husband cares about my *health* yes, but he is attracted to me
because I am ME.  He was supportive and loving the whole way when I was
250+ pounds and NEVER made me feel like anything but the special person
HE picked of his own free choice to be his partner in life.

Without his support and true love, I'd likely never have had a reason to
want to improve my health.  Because he's loved me in various other
states of health, he also gets the gift of me healthy, too.
He was with me all the way as I weeded out the things that were bad for
me, and supported me the whole way.

CM
Jennifer A - 26 Nov 2003 19:54 GMT
> > Just want to join the "me too" club!  My husband is like that all the
> > way.  He loves ME, the person, and chose me not because of external
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>
> Wendy, married 15 years

My husband doesn't necessarily care how I look, but is concerned about my
health.  He was concerned when I was obese and is now concerned that I am
thin.  He doesn't care for the bones sticking out of my back, but I have
been able to build up some muscle on my shoulders and arms and torso which
he's found attractive.  He's concerned about the health problems that I've
had lately and actually likes how I look when I'm a little bloated and
puffy, especially the way I've gotten some of my boobs back due to hormones.
He wants me to be happy and healthy first and foremost which is his main
concern and that's really all I can ask for.

I was 300 pounds when we met and through most of our relationship.  He never
was really attracted to larger women before we met and has never expressed
an interest in other large women, but he also doesn't like extremely thin
women either and has let me know in his own subtle way that I looked better
at size 12 than size 8 (we're compromising at a size 10 ;]).  He also
prefers when I wear my glasses instead of my contact lenses, but understands
that the contacts are easier for me to be more active.  He's more impressed
with my accomplishments than my appearance.  He loves *me* no matter what I
look like, and is able to accept me and be physically attracted to me
regardless of what my body looks like.

Jenn, celebrating the 9th anniversary of our first date on Friday 11/28.
Crafting Mom - 27 Nov 2003 01:07 GMT
>that the contacts are easier for me to be more active.  He's more impressed
>with my accomplishments than my appearance.  He loves *me* no matter what I
>look like, and is able to accept me and be physically attracted to me
>regardless of what my body looks like.

Thank you for saying it beter than I could have.  I tried to articulate
what I meant, but did it badly.  Now, This is not to say that if I have
a good hair day and have worn his favorite scent, and a sexy thang on my
body that it doesn't *enhance* the mood, but he still wants *me*.

Now that's LOVE
cm
Cp - 26 Nov 2003 23:44 GMT
> > Just want to join the "me too" club!  My husband is like that all the
> > way.  He loves ME, the person, and chose me not because of external
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> Wendy, married 15 years

Well I conducted a test one time on three men I know.  My husband, my best
friend and my brother in law.  All had previously said that they prefer a
woman with "meat on her bones" and not thin.  To me, a woman with meat on
her bones is 200+.  To them, it''s a different story.  My husband said the
weight he found sexiest was 190's, my best friend preffered 170's and my BIL
said 140.  My husband still finds me sexy at 260 but with much teeth pulling
admitted that he would also like to see me some pounds lighter.
Crafting Mom - 27 Nov 2003 00:52 GMT
>Hmmm.  I've got a great marriage, but my husband prefers big boobs.  He's
>practically gone into mourning over my rapid loss of frontal chest
>ornaments.  He's started mentioning how I've lost enough [boobs] and he
>likes my shape the way it is [please no more boob loss!].

My husband prefers anything that's attached to me :)  I am not being
naive to think that either.  After a decade together (yes, I know you
have been married longer), I think I'd know.

>So, count me out of your group of "my husband loves my body no matter
>what it looks like."  Mine has opinions.  I tend to imagine that the men
>marrying 200+ women might prefer 200+ women, but I certainly could be
>wrong.

My husband's ex was certainly not 200+ nor were his other girlfriends
before her.  Sometimes people do fall in love with people.  Our love is
relationship based, and he didn't pick me out of a catalogue :) It's
called falling in love.  Full stop.  My husband shows me every day that
he is 100% completely attracted to me.  And I've been various weights,
and I have a mild form of ichthyosis, a very ugly looking skin
condition.  Am I the only person on this earth whose husband doesn't
have "a type"?  

cm
Crafting Mom - 27 Nov 2003 00:57 GMT
Oh, and yes, my husband has opinions too :).  Preferring me no matter
what I look like doesn't make him someone without opinions :) It's just
that in his opinion, he's attracted more to the depth of our long
standing relationship over what shape my body happens to be in at any
given moment :)

In fact, some of our deepest and most intimate conversations are based
on each other's opinions.

Best wishes to you,
CM
Buddee - 25 Nov 2003 08:09 GMT
Thanks for all the replies folks. This has really helped me to understand
some of the reasons behind obesity. I've never been overweight, I'm
currently 6'4, 200 lbs and 9% body fat, but I will no longer automatically
think less of those who struggle. I have friends with substance abuse
problems so I can relate to that.

Thanks,

Buddee.

> Ok, I have lowbody fat, always have. I noticed around 4-5 years ago that I
> actually had to start eating right because my youthfull metabolism was
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> Buddee.
Perple Gyrl - 24 Nov 2003 14:32 GMT
Wow, are you single? (lol joking)

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> Thanks for all the replies folks. This has really helped me to understand
> some of the reasons behind obesity. I've never been overweight, I'm
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> > Buddee.
Cp - 25 Nov 2003 15:16 GMT
hehe
> Wow, are you single? (lol joking)
>
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> > > Buddee.
Buddee - 26 Nov 2003 11:56 GMT
Sadly, yes.

Buddee.

> Wow, are you single? (lol joking)
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Perple Gyrl - 24 Nov 2003 15:55 GMT
6'4" and 9% body fat and single?

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> Sadly, yes.
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That T Woman - 26 Nov 2003 16:32 GMT
Perhaps he's proof that you can be tall, skinny and ugly all at the same
time.  <g> Just kidding.  Maybe it's his personality.  But even Hitler had a
girlfriend.  Still kidding. <g>  Post a pic somewhere, Buddee, give us the
link, and let us judge.  Webshots will let you have a free space for it if
you can't find anywhere else.

Tonia

> 6'4" and 9% body fat and single?
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> > > > > Buddee.
Buddee - 28 Nov 2003 12:02 GMT
Actually I came to this NG for tips on finding certain tough to find foods,
not because I have a weight problem. I'm actually single by choice. My last
relationship was a nightmare! Not too ugly either I don't think... I model
to supplement my income. But hey, looks aren't everything, they certainly
don't mean automatic happiness. I'll post a pic if stupid Webshots will let
me upload a picture. I click on an album and the "thinking" icon just spins
and spins.... I'll try later.

Buddee.

> Perhaps he's proof that you can be tall, skinny and ugly all at the same
> time.  <g> Just kidding.  Maybe it's his personality.  But even Hitler had a
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> > > > > > Buddee.
JayJay - 28 Nov 2003 23:21 GMT
There are plenty of people in here who also, are not in weightloss mode at
the moment, nor do they have a weight problem, and some have never been
obese, but have been fat....  and we are here to make shre we don't get fat
again and continue to eat well and live well.

> Actually I came to this NG for tips on finding certain tough to find foods,
> not because I have a weight problem. I'm actually single by choice. My last
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> > > > > > > Buddee.
MH - 27 Nov 2003 06:19 GMT
Some of us LIKE being single, PG.

I'm not looking for anyone right now; I like the attention, but not the BS
that comes afterwards. : )

Martha

> 6'4" and 9% body fat and single?
>
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> > > > >
> > > > > Buddee.
Perple Gyrl - 24 Nov 2003 17:35 GMT
I know that, I was just trying to be funny!

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> Some of us LIKE being single, PG.
>
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> > > > > > Buddee.
 
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