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Wendy - 26 Sep 2005 19:20 GMT
I've been lurking quite a bit lately and not posting much but today I
really feel the need to post. I am trying, trying to get back on track.
It seems like I just keep going in circles. I do really well for awhile,
and then really bad for awhile and around and around. I have fallen into
this pattern before and I know how unhealthy it is. I am not longer
'obese' but I am still 'overweight'. I can actually go to the juniors
section and buy a size 13/14 pair of pants or a size large top and that
makes me happy, that I can finally start wearing some cute clothes.

However, I need to keep reminding myself that my goal weight, and
probably a size 7/8 (?) is still 30 lbs. away!!! This last 30 just hangs
on and on. I will look so much better in clothes if I can just get rid
of this last 30 lbs.!

Thanks for listening!
Wendy  
A Ross - 26 Sep 2005 19:49 GMT
> I've been lurking quite a bit lately and not posting much but today I
> really feel the need to post. I am trying, trying to get back on track.
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> Thanks for listening!
> Wendy  

Break out your journal and start writing down your goals. Take
measurements. Chart your weight. Write down what you eat. Track your
exercise. You don't have to be obsessive, just accountable--to yourself.

I find that when I start writing it all down again, I am far better
about staying on track then when I don't. But, it takes a couple of 3
pound reminders a couple of times a year to remind me what happens when
I think I can do it "on my own."

Good luck to you, Wendy.

Amy
169/116/...
Carol Frilegh - 26 Sep 2005 20:32 GMT
> I've been lurking quite a bit lately and not posting much but today I
> really feel the need to post. I am trying, trying to get back on track.
> It seems like I just keep going in circles. I do really well for awhile,
> and then really bad for awhile and around and around.

Welcome to the club! I don't know why getting back on track is so
difficult once you fall off. Just adopt the philosophy that you get on
with not the next meal, but the very next bite.

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Ignoramus12004 - 26 Sep 2005 20:49 GMT
> I've been lurking quite a bit lately and not posting much but today I
> really feel the need to post. I am trying, trying to get back on track.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> on and on. I will look so much better in clothes if I can just get rid
> of this last 30 lbs.!

Getting back on track is a life skill that needs to be practiced a
lot...

i
Gloria - 27 Sep 2005 00:01 GMT
Wendy, JOIN the 'club' and you SOUND like me !!! I'm BACK and this has
been OVER & OVER again for me! SOMEONE said these words to me >>>>
Thomas Edison tried 1,000 times before the LIGHT BULB!!! I THINK it was
Doug OR  i ???
This WORKED  for me:>) I'm on track!! Almost four weeks and I LOVE it !!

Keep on trying!!!!! I'm NOT giving up !
YOU can   NOT give up!!  Stay close to here!

glo

                       
Wendy - 27 Sep 2005 03:35 GMT
Thanks for all of your words of encouragement!
I need to let go of the guilt over wasting so many days, not eating
right and not exercising when I 'was' doing so well.

A couple of thoughts:
I really find that the more protein I eat, the better I feel and I am
less likely to eat unhealthy food because protein is so filling. But, I
am having quite a bit of trouble with it......the thing is I don't
really 'like' meat. I am not a vegetarian and never have been but I just
have a problem with meat. I won't go into too many details and gross
anyone out but even the sight of gristle or fat makes me want to gag. I
am SICK of chicken breast, I can't eat steak or hamburger very often,
pork chops are ok sometimes, I like eggs. If I could eat lobster, filet
mignon, and halibut every single day I would but unfortunately all my
money goes to fuel for my jet, LOL!! One can only eat so many tuna
salads and pollock is terrible IMO. I do eat Northern quite often but
the problem is repetition gets very boring.

The second thing is exercise. I started walking a brisk five miles on a
VERY hilly road and I felt great but was discouraged because it really
increased my appetite so I felt like it was backfiring and I stopped
losing weight, although I did maintain. According to my scale (and we
all know how crazy they are) I haven't gained any weight back 'yet'
although I just 'feel' fatter.

Any input is much appreciated.
Wendy
54 lost/30 to go
Heidi - 27 Sep 2005 14:34 GMT
> Thanks for all of your words of encouragement!
> I need to let go of the guilt over wasting so many days, not eating
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> Wendy
> 54 lost/30 to go

Hiya, Wendy.  Our "lost" and "to go" pounds are similar! I've lost 60 and
have about 40ish to go.  I too have had 2 spots in the last year that I lost
a handle on my eating and found myself gaining.  That heavier person is just
waiting to "win" and gain control of my life.  As time passes, I'm more and
more convinced of the addictive nature of foods, and of course I'm more and
more familiar with my addicted way of coping.  Still, it is just a cold hard
fact that eating healthy is the way of LIFE now.  Eating badly is a phase.
Eating well is who I am.  I keep that in mind.

I agree with the others that suggested writing it all down. Being
accountable to yourself is really helpful.

You will lose those 30 lbs., and you can keep them off forever--just as soon
as you learn the lessons that will allow you to incorporate it all,
permanently.

Good luck!

Heidi
262/202/201
Losing 100lbs 1lb. at a time.
Wendy - 28 Sep 2005 02:56 GMT
Thanks Heidi! I like the point you made about eating badly being a phase
and eating well being a way of life and part of who you are. I will make
that my mantra and remember it next time I make a choice on what to eat.

Wendy
Wendy - 29 Sep 2005 19:08 GMT
Heidi, what were those two spots like? How long did they last? How did
you overcome them? Were you still exercising? Any thing you can share
would be much appreciated!

Wendy
Heidi - 30 Sep 2005 15:44 GMT
> Heidi, what were those two spots like? How long did they last? How did
> you overcome them? Were you still exercising? Any thing you can share
> would be much appreciated!
>
> Wendy

One spot was a month long! That scared me, actually. The other lasted about
2 weeks. I did keep exercising through both, though not as many days a week.

The 2 week thing, I don't really consider a big deal. There was a lot of
company and good food being cooked and...life happens.  I will not go
through my entire life without small periods of time when I'm simply "less
strict" about foods. Maybe someday that feeling with change in me (that
would be great) but for now that's just how it is.  For example, this year
I'm going to Las Vegas for New Years.  I'll be gone 1 week. I'm going to
gain weight that week, I'm sure of it. I'll eat foods with more salt and
sugars; I'll probably exercise less (aerobic less anyway); I'll drink
copious amounts of whiskey.  :)  Sounds hella fun!  I would guess some of my
choices will be better than they would have in the past: a big breakfast
with lots of eggs, bacon, pancakes and toast with butter simply doesn't
sound good!  So, while I know that there are changes that stay in place no
matter what, I also know that, from time to time, I'm going to eat less well
or exercise less, and at this point, that means weight gain (given my
currant metabolism).  I actually seem to look forward to eating better and
working out after small periods of time off the track of my WoE.

The 1 month deal was no good. That was all me finally getting to some of the
feelings I've been avoiding all my life by being fat. I started dating and
being a bit more intimate with men.  Hello Ben & Jerry's! One month of
crappy, binge eating and cycles of guilt and recrimination. I seemed unable
to break the cycle, and I was out of control.  I gained 23 lbs. in one
month! Wow

Previously, it had been a big deal when I actually started to throw away big
clothes as I lost weight. A really big deal for me to believe I was not
going to need those clothes again. So, when the clothes I had began to feel
tight, I had to make a decision: was I going to buy bigger clothes or get
myself together and get on with my healthier way of living.  One and a half
months later, I've lost 15 of those 23 lbs., and my clothes are getting big
again.

Overall, I'm more and more convinced that foods high in sugar or refined
white stuff are, for me, addictive.  If I have a meal high in fats or sugar,
I want more and it's more difficult to say no.  I also know that I have more
trouble in the evening.  I seem to have to be able to tough it out and say
NO at least 2-3 nights, and then it's much easier to not binge.  I also know
that I do better if I have a good dinner a bit later than I would otherwise
(no earlier than 6pm); this keeps me feeling sated longer.

More...mostly...I've learned that there are REASONS for being fat.  I know
that being fat WORKED for me.  I needed it. Some part of me still needs it.
But, I can choose to work on that part--deal with the feelings that make me
want to binge on sugar and fat (Ice Cream is my nemesis). And I know this
takes time.  I can't undo 40 years of coping with no struggles or falls. So,
I've learned to take it easy on myself. To be patient. To allow. And to have
limits (I will never, ever buy bigger clothes again).  Over all, it's just
like when I was trying to quit smoking for the last 12 years: I may have
been engaged in smoking, but I NEVER, NEVER forgot that I WANTED to quit; I
was constantly trying to quit.  I haven't smoked in over 13 months.  And
similarly, though I may be in a bad food cycle, I will never, ever allow
myself to become complacent with bad eating and a lack of physical exercise.
I just will not give up.

I had a brother commit suicide 8 years ago.  So, I know what it's about when
folks give up and decide to die.  I think that an obese person, or a smoker,
who is not working on their health is, likewise, deciding to give up and
die. It's that serious, isn't it?

Anyway...good luck! :)

Heidi
262/202/201
Losing 100lbs. 1 lb. at a time
Gloria - 30 Sep 2005 15:50 GMT
Hiedi, GOOD POST!!!!!!!!! VERY GOOD!!

I WAS 260+  but 20 years ago (age was 40ish) and I changed forever!! But
inside my head is my struggle FOREVER! I NEVER got back to 200 but
CLOSE! I am back to my healthy way but it's ONE DAY AT A TIME! I'm size
14 but I WANT 12 again!! I'm GOING to get there. Your post has really
helped me!!! A LOT!!!
You ARE going to win! You are so strong!
You have my VOTE:>)

glo

                       
Ignoramus4243 - 27 Sep 2005 14:53 GMT
Wendy, what about eggs. They are full of protein and taste pretty good
(to me).

i
Wendy - 28 Sep 2005 03:01 GMT
Ig, I do eat eggs but how many are you really supposed to have in the
course of a week? They are very filling and full of protein but they're
also full of cholesterol. I've never had a problem with cholesterol but
aren't you supposed to be conscious of it anyway? And then there's the
problem of repetition but eggs are quite versatile.

Wendy
Chris Braun - 28 Sep 2005 03:22 GMT
>Ig, I do eat eggs but how many are you really supposed to have in the
>course of a week? They are very filling and full of protein but they're
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>
>Wendy

I think the general school of thought now is that eating cholesterol
doesn't particularly contribute to the body's blood cholesterol
levels.  At any rate, I choose not to worry about it, and probably eat
6-8 eggs per week on average.

Chris
262/130s/130s
started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004
Ignoramus4243 - 28 Sep 2005 03:39 GMT
> Ig, I do eat eggs but how many are you really supposed to have in the
> course of a week? They are very filling and full of protein but they're
> also full of cholesterol. I've never had a problem with cholesterol but
> aren't you supposed to be conscious of it anyway? And then there's the
> problem of repetition but eggs are quite versatile.

Eggs are very versatile. As far as cholesterol goes, I do not believe
that eating cholesterol is unhealthy for people. That proposition has
not been proven very well, in my opinion.

I personally eat perhaps 15 or so eggs per week. They do not seem to
affect my cholesterol much. Our bodies produce about 4-5 times the
amount of cholesterol that we ingest.

i
Matthew Venhaus - 28 Sep 2005 04:23 GMT
> Ig, I do eat eggs but how many are you really supposed to have in the
> course of a week? They are very filling and full of protein but they're
> also full of cholesterol. I've never had a problem with cholesterol but
> aren't you supposed to be conscious of it anyway? And then there's the
> problem of repetition but eggs are quite versatile.

What Ig and Chris said, but if you are worried about cholesterol in eggs, it
is found entirely in the yolk, so you can eat the whites freely.

Matthew
Gloria - 27 Sep 2005 14:58 GMT
I will tell you that I FULLY understand how yo have the "meatProblem" !!
As I also do and this is what I have done. Now remember , SMALL changes
, but I begun to try soy products! I get breakfast (veggie) sausage and
many other STUFF like this. I get the cheese steak burgers and taco
burgers too. I've LEARNED to love these! I tried a great merinade for
chic  breats. It is garlic and onion I THINK! I love this! Salmom
marrinated is another I LEARNED to love! TIME is what it took. Lots of
TIME! I get ground turkey which I LOVE!!! I add onion and fry with just
spray! Ummmmm.
Keep trying & TRYING:)
Best to you, glo

                       
Dally - 27 Sep 2005 16:21 GMT
> I will tell you that I FULLY understand how yo have the "meatProblem" !!
> As I also do and this is what I have done. Now remember , SMALL changes
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> Keep trying & TRYING:)
> Best to you, glo

A lot of nice ideas, Glo.  I use a bunch of different marinades for
chicken breast - whatever is on sale - but I also like it with "Season
All" on it.

I didn't notice you mentioning skim-milk cottage cheese.  That's a
pretty good source of protein (as well as calcium) and works well mixed
with fruit or yogurt.  Just don't get the low-salt kind, that stuff is
truly foul!

I put protein powder in my oatmeal in the morning, or smoked salmon
(lox) on a half of a whole wheat bagel with cream cheese.

I make frittatas fairly often, which is just a fancy way of saying I
sautee up some vegetables and scramble eggs into it.  Sometimes I'll put
cut up ham steaks in it.

Dally
244/166/155
Gloria - 27 Sep 2005 20:20 GMT
Dally, just a PS  as I wanted to say that you weigh what I WANT to
weigh:) My goal IS 165:)

The sk mlk cottage cheese is pretty good too but I mostly eat yogurt (
no fat) and I LOVE this!! Also I like mozzerella sticks!! Cheese I'm not
eating as it causes constipation.

glo

                       
Dally - 29 Sep 2005 15:40 GMT
> Dally, just a PS  as I wanted to say that you weigh what I WANT to
> weigh:) My goal IS 165:)

This was my original goal as well.  I've got to say I'm pretty happy
here, mostly wearing size 14 pants and size 10-12 shirts.  It's just
that I've become such a jock that it would be helpful to lose some of
the lard still sitting on my butt, to go from "good" to "great".  It's a
tough goal and I wouldn't recommend it for everyone.

> The sk mlk cottage cheese is pretty good too but I mostly eat yogurt (
> no fat) and I LOVE this!! Also I like mozzerella sticks!! Cheese I'm not
> eating as it causes constipation.

I've got a similar problem with cheese but I eat small portions on rye
crisp crackers and the rye crackers (chock full of fiber) balance things
out.

Dally
244/166/155
Wendy - 28 Sep 2005 03:09 GMT
Dally, do you ever eat cottage cheese on cucumber slices? Yum! That's
may favorite way although I do like it w/ fruit, too.

Wendy
Dally - 29 Sep 2005 15:37 GMT
> Dally, do you ever eat cottage cheese on cucumber slices? Yum! That's
> may favorite way although I do like it w/ fruit, too.

Sounds worth trying.

-- Dally
Wendy - 28 Sep 2005 03:04 GMT
Thanks, Glo! I will experiment some more with meatless products, and
thanks for mentioning ground turkey! It's one of those things I really
like but for some reason forget about.

Wendy
sej29@cornell.edu - 30 Sep 2005 04:04 GMT
> Thanks for all of your words of encouragement!
> I need to let go of the guilt over wasting so many days, not eating
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> salads and pollock is terrible IMO. I do eat Northern quite often but
> the problem is repetition gets very boring.

wendy,

i also do not like to eat meat for many reasons (taste, politics,
personal health). here are some ways i get my protein:

beans and lentils
skim cottage cheese and smaller servings of full-fat cheeses
milk
protein powder (occasionally)
eggs
nuts and nut butters/seeds
tempeh (fermented soybeans)
and some grains, though you wouldn't guess it, have a fair amount of
protein. one serving of ww pasta has 8g, two slices of healthy breads
can have up to 10g.  it helps.

once a month, maybe treat yourself a salmon fillet or some shrimp if
you like those. if you are bored with tuna sandwiches, make a pasta
salad with tuna fish and cherry tomatoes instead. be careful with the
mercury-- maybe it's good you're bored of it?

remember that every meal doesn't have to have a ton of protein as long
as you keep yourself eating snacks that include protein/fat throughout
the day. also remember that as a vegetarian (or close to one in your
case) you need to make up for the meat calories you'd be missing. like,
add more nuts to your salad, or more cheese to your pasta. those are
both high protein foods that aren't low calorie, but it's okay, you can
eat more of them because you've omitted another source of calories from
your diet. i do eat tofu once in awhile. but i really only like to eat
tempeh on a regular basis because it's fermented, so it's more easily
digested.

here is one possible day for me--

breakfast- 1/2 cup ezekiel cereal (grape nuts equivalent), 1/2 cup skim
milk, 1 baby banana and 4 strawberries, about 1/4 oz. almonds

apple

1 cup of creole red bean soup

lunch- salad with 2 tbsp feta cheese, romaine, grapes, bell pepper,
cucumber, balsamic; 1 small slice of leftover semi-homemade spinach
pizza

dinner- mango curry brown rice with tempeh and vegetables, 1 chocolate

banana with 1 tbsp nut butter, 1 newman-o

3/4 cup dry cereal with 1/2 cup skim milk.

(still trying to kick those sugar cravings, today was a little better
for me in that respect, but anyway, this day has about 60g protein and
1650 cals, enough for me at least. you would obviously have to adjust
for your own plan).
jake - 27 Sep 2005 21:30 GMT
> I've been lurking quite a bit lately and not posting much but today I
> really feel the need to post. I am trying, trying to get back on track.
> It seems like I just keep going in circles. I do really well for awhile,
> and then really bad for awhile and around and around.

You're human, so you can't be perfect and you can't be perfect all of
the time. I don't read you're failing, I read that you manage to get
back on track even when things go other than planned for a while.
Congratulations. I mean it.

I have fallen into
> this pattern before and I know how unhealthy it is. I am not longer
> 'obese' but I am still 'overweight'. I can actually go to the juniors
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Thanks for listening!
> Wendy  
Wendy - 28 Sep 2005 03:15 GMT
Wow, jake. What an incredibly thoughtful post. You hit it right on the
head, sometimes I fall into I have to be perfect and do it exactly right
or I  am a total failure and I might as well give up. I know I must
overcome that way of thinking.  Your post really made sense.

Thanks,
Wendy
Gloria - 28 Sep 2005 16:42 GMT
Jake posted some great STUFF! It makes good sense!!

glo

                       
Wendy - 28 Sep 2005 19:06 GMT
Another thought: I am really struggling to regain control because of the
many holidays lurking right around the corner. It's so easy to fall into
that comfy cold weather mode where all you want to do is curl up with a
book and some hot cocoa. Nice, but doesn't burn too many calories.

With Halloween, Thanksgiving and Christmas right around the corner I am
prompting myself to get creative and think of ways to stay healthy and
get fit in the coming winter months. There are just so many treats that
"only come once a year" I tell myself. Too bad the weight that comes
with them hangs around much longer. : ) Any thoughts on how you all do
this?

Wendy
Ignoramus26153 - 28 Sep 2005 19:20 GMT
> Another thought: I am really struggling to regain control because of the
> many holidays lurking right around the corner. It's so easy to fall into
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> with them hangs around much longer. : ) Any thoughts on how you all do
> this?

My only suggestion is to treat these days as any other day, food
wise. That actually works. I think that these holidays are more of an
excuse opportunity, than a genuine problem.

i
jake - 28 Sep 2005 19:43 GMT
> Another thought: I am really struggling to regain control because of the
> many holidays lurking right around the corner. It's so easy to fall into
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Wendy

I eat a lot of veg when I have bad snacking urges. and low cal soups,
and I drink a lo of water etc. Today was one such day. I finally figured
out all the food wasn't helping. Then I realized I haven't been sleeping
enough. So I'll make it an early night. Tomorrow might be better.
sej29@cornell.edu - 30 Sep 2005 04:10 GMT
> I eat a lot of veg when I have bad snacking urges. and low cal soups,
> and I drink a lo of water etc. Today was one such day. I finally figured
> out all the food wasn't helping. Then I realized I haven't been sleeping
> enough. So I'll make it an early night. Tomorrow might be better.

i have also had this problem lately. i am taking a lot of courses this
semester and i'm really not sleeping enough. i am so exhausted, i
really don't feel like i can do much exercise and i keep having sugar
cravings that i've been giving into the past few days. it's making me
feel so annoyed at myself but i just can't find the energy to deal with
it. at least the weekend is coming up so i can concentrate on getting
back on track as far as healthy eating goes..
Beverly - 30 Sep 2005 11:09 GMT
> > I eat a lot of veg when I have bad snacking urges. and low cal soups,
> > and I drink a lo of water etc. Today was one such day. I finally figured
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> it. at least the weekend is coming up so i can concentrate on getting
> back on track as far as healthy eating goes..

Lack of sleep is often a real killer for weightloss.  I find myself eating
more to gain energy when I'm tired.  Just recently I was tired one evening
and found myself raiding the fridge several times trying to raise my energy
level.  I finally realized what was happening and went to bed<g>

Beverly
Gloria - 30 Sep 2005 14:56 GMT
Sleep IS a big problem for me ( lack there of) and a GOOD REMINDER :)
I find that EVERY TIME I'm over tired I'm eating too freely!!!
Good post  ,i !!!

glo

                       
Gloria - 30 Sep 2005 14:58 GMT
For me, it's Dr Phil's book!! Works for me!
I'm wearing it out as I read it OFTEN!

Plus to look at pics from when I was HUGE!!!!!!!!!

glo

                       
jake - 28 Sep 2005 19:41 GMT
> Jake posted some great STUFF! It makes good sense!!
>
> glo
>
>                          

Thank you, Gloria.
jake - 28 Sep 2005 19:41 GMT
> Wow, jake. What an incredibly thoughtful post. You hit it right on the
> head, sometimes I fall into I have to be perfect and do it exactly right
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Thanks,
> Wendy

Thank you, I am blushing.
Wendy - 29 Sep 2005 19:02 GMT
jake, is blushing and the rise in heart rate that go with it a calorie
burning activity? If sao then let me go on........... : ) lol

Wendy
jake - 29 Sep 2005 23:29 GMT
> jake, is blushing and the rise in heart rate that go with it a calorie
> burning activity? If sao then let me go on........... : ) lol
>
> Wendy

It is not :)
Wendy - 29 Sep 2005 19:04 GMT
Good point, Ig. It isn't absolutely neccesary to overindulge, and it is
an excuse, sort of. But, there are certain unhealthy foods around in
abundance that aren't around the rest of the year. <<<<<<mustering self
control>>>>>>>

Wendy
 
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