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Steph - 27 Sep 2005 23:50 GMT
Hi,
I have a friend who has successfully lost 70lbs in the past year
working with a dietician.  From what I understand, the dietician
focuses on limiting carbs and sugar,  and having many small meals
during the day.  This I understand;
what I don't understand is that the dietician doesn't want them to
exercise until
they've met their target weight.
What do you think the rationale is for this?
Thanks,  Steph
Patricia  Heil - 28 Sep 2005 01:16 GMT
> Hi,
> I have a friend who has successfully lost 70lbs in the past year
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> What do you think the rationale is for this?
> Thanks,  Steph

I don't think that dietitian has the whole picture.  You can't be healthy
without exercise.
Matthew Venhaus - 28 Sep 2005 01:48 GMT
> Hi,
> I have a friend who has successfully lost 70lbs in the past year
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> What do you think the rationale is for this?
> Thanks,  Steph

In beginning exercisers, exercise can result in less muscle loss (or perhaps
even muscle gain) and consequently will result in less weight loss. So I
would imagine the rationale is to temporarily screw good health and make the
make the client feel good and remain motivated.

Matthew
Chris Braun - 28 Sep 2005 03:27 GMT
>> Hi,
>> I have a friend who has successfully lost 70lbs in the past year
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
>Matthew

I've heard this theory before -- don't recall where -- but I disagree
with it.  Exercise helps with fat loss, even if a little muscle
building could result in a few pounds of added muscle.  And I believe
that one should begin as one means to go on, and that means a healthy
lifestyle of moderate eating and regular exercise.

Chris
262/130s/130s
started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004
Matthew Venhaus - 28 Sep 2005 04:20 GMT
>>In beginning exercisers, exercise can result in less muscle loss (or
>>perhaps
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> that one should begin as one means to go on, and that means a healthy
> lifestyle of moderate eating and regular exercise.

So there is no misunderstanding, I agree with--and followed--your approach
entirely.

Matthew
Chris Braun - 28 Sep 2005 12:29 GMT
>>>In beginning exercisers, exercise can result in less muscle loss (or
>>>perhaps
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
>Matthew

I understood that -- sorry if I was unclear.  I was disagreeing with
the nutritionist who recommended avoiding exercise while dieting, not
with you :-).

Chris
262/130s/130s
started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004
Doug Freyburger - 29 Sep 2005 17:52 GMT
> > I have a friend who has successfully lost 70lbs in the past year
> > working with a dietician.  From what I understand, the dietician
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> would imagine the rationale is to temporarily screw good health and make the
> make the client feel good and remain motivated.

If your world view is this week and only this week, a
short-sighted view like that is the one you'll use.
Take a look at the endless string of newbies who
appear to have that time scale for their view.  Folks
who lose motivation when they get their first week
without a new low.

If I were making my money off such people, which
approach would I take?  Educate them to understand the
long term picture and increase their chance of not
being a repeat customer, or give them what they ask
for rather than what they actually need and ensure
repeat business in a couple of years?  And so I am on
UseNet not making a cent so I can afford to take the
long term view.

Note that starting a new exercise program often tells
the muscles to start hoarding glycogen and the water
that the glycogen is dissolved in.  It is extremely
common for someone starting a new exercise program to
report moving several pounds up, then tapering back
again in a couple of weeks or a couple of months.
Someone who only gets paid per visit will want to
avoid any chance of an up swing like that.

So I think the theory, while being nonsense, jives
with how the economic incentives could work.  Very
short term day by day view rather than the more
realistic view of planning ahead months at a time.
Ignoramus4243 - 28 Sep 2005 03:04 GMT
> Hi,
> I have a friend who has successfully lost 70lbs in the past year
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> they've met their target weight.
> What do you think the rationale is for this?

I can understand why fat people should be careful exercising, but I
cannot see any reason to avoid exercise when one is close to target
weight.

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Jaime - 28 Sep 2005 05:15 GMT
"Ignoramus4243" <ignoramus4243@NOSPAM.4243.invalid> wrote in message
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> I can understand why fat people should be careful exercising, but I
> cannot see any reason to avoid exercise when one is close to target
> weight.

Very overweight people, such as myself, need to be a little more *selective*
in our choice of exercise as there are some things we cannot do because we
just cannot move or bend as a less overweight person can because of the
excess weight on our bodies.
This is why walking, swimming, free weights are the best choices for the
morbidly obese when they begin an exercise program. Recumbant bikes are also
a good choice to provided the person involved can get thier legs up into
that position. In some cases this is not always easy for an extremely
overweight individual to do.

With that said, I went to Walmart earlier today and had a look at a
selection of exercise bikes. I found 2 I thought would measure up to *my*
standards as a morbidly obese person and am deciding which one would be my
best choice to purchase
this Friday. My choice is between a recumbant exercise bike and a standard
upright exercise bike.
Ignoramus4243 - 28 Sep 2005 05:32 GMT
> "Ignoramus4243" <ignoramus4243@NOSPAM.4243.invalid> wrote in message
> news:1Tm_e.6917
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> just cannot move or bend as a less overweight person can because of the
> excess weight on our bodies.

Exactly...

> This is why walking, swimming, free weights are the best choices for the
> morbidly obese when they begin an exercise program. Recumbant bikes are also
> a good choice to provided the person involved can get thier legs up into
> that position. In some cases this is not always easy for an extremely
> overweight individual to do.

I would be careful with bikes in general, myself. Falling from a bike
is much more serious for very overweight people...

> With that said, I went to Walmart earlier today and had a look at a
> selection of exercise bikes. I found 2 I thought would measure up to *my*
> standards as a morbidly obese person and am deciding which one would be my
> best choice to purchase
> this Friday. My choice is between a recumbant exercise bike and a standard
> upright exercise bike.

That's great.

Make sure that they are rated for appropriate weight. The cheap ones
may not have been designed to support enough weight.

i

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Jaime - 28 Sep 2005 05:38 GMT
"Ignoramus4243" <ignoramus4243@NOSPAM.4243.invalid> wrote in message
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> I would be careful with bikes in general, myself. Falling from a bike
> is much more serious for very overweight people...

My bedroom has carpeting and I *never* drink and pedal.  :-)

But seriously, that is why I am leaning towards purchasing the recumbant
bike.

> Make sure that they are rated for appropriate weight. The cheap ones
> may not have been designed to support enough weight.

They amount of weight they can hold is the first thing I looked at.
I want to make sure I get the best one for *me*.
 
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