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Weight Loss Forum / General Topics / February 2006A very strange question but there IS a reason for it.
Hi Guys and Guyesses, I know this question is weird but there is a valid reason for asking. I need you to imagine that you are going to be alone on a desert island for a month. On this island is a plentiful supply of fresh water, many kinds of fruit and lots of veggies. Also on the island is a kitchen that can cook in many different ways and store food so it doesn't spoil. There is good news and bad news. The bad news is that you can only take 5 food items with you. The good news is that you can take as much of each of the 5 food items as you like. The object is to lose weight by exercise and eating a diet that keeps you healthy so it's no use taking 96 x 21" deep pan pizzas, lol What would you take and if possible, why? Thanks for reading. Steve > Hi Guys and Guyesses, > I know this question is weird but there is a valid reason for asking. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Thanks for reading. > Steve I read it twice and I still don't see the reason for it. Neil 385/352/200 Ahhhh, That's probably because I didn't say what the reason was, lol Do you really need to know the reason before you can answer? It isn't a State Secret or anything but before I go into any details, I was hoping to get some answers as to what to take and maybe some logical answers as to it being workable. > Hi Guys and Guyesses, > I know this question is weird but there is a valid reason for asking. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Thanks for reading. > Steve Steve, can you remind me, was it you who asked some similar diet question -- what to eat under certain artificial constraints -- about a month ago? i Well, I can see I ain't going to get any proper answers so I guess my best bet is to ask elsewhere. Thanks for your time. Steve I read about a guy that only ate eggs. He was healthy. > Hi Guys and Guyesses, > I know this question is weird but there is a valid reason for asking. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Thanks for reading. > Steve > Hi Guys and Guyesses, > I know this question is weird but there is a valid reason for asking. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Thanks for reading. > Steve First of all it takes time and energy to answer questions. You expect everyone to respond to your bizarre questions and the rationale is that "there is a reason but I'm not going to tell you?" I would take books on "Effective communication" to your island. Second of all I can imagine all sorts of "real" scenarios that might apply to our "mythical" island situation. All of them have permutations that might suggest more helpful suggestions TO YOU than if we are working in the context of fantasy. Thirdly, given the constraints of your problem you are likely to receive an answer that is totally useless. When asked "what is the meaning of life, the universe and everything?" Deep Thought answered "42." If you have a ticket to fantasy island and Tatoo is going to help you lose weight but for some reason you have to bring all your own food then you have to bring stuff that will last the month without going bad. I'd bring grapefruit, rice, frozen broccoli, frozen chicken and yogurt. After all this typing I'm too fatigued to tell you why. Maybe you can pique my interest by giving more details about "fantasy" island. k i would take dog food...i would only eat it to survive and it's complete nutrition > Hi Guys and Guyesses, > I know this question is weird but there is a valid reason for asking. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Thanks for reading. > Steve > i would take dog food...i would only eat it to survive and it's > complete nutrition It will give you a nice shiny coat as well. Neil 385/352/200 i might start howling at the moon > I need you to imagine that you are going to be alone on a desert island > for a month. A month isnt enough time ..maybe six months to a year? Time makes real permanent weight changes. > On this island is a plentiful supply of fresh water, many kinds of > fruit and lots of veggies... you can only take 5 food items with you. 1) Oatmeal ... because its a whole grain we all should be eating. 2) Olive oil or another 'good fat' cooking oil ..stirfry those island veggies! 3) Laying chickens for eggs ... the complete protein ... 4) Salt and or spices ... 5) Coffee .. of course ... joanne Karsten wrote..... First of all it takes time and energy to answer questions. You expect everyone to respond to your bizarre questions and the rationale is that "there is a reason but I'm not going to tell you?" I would take books on "Effective communication" to your island. Steve replied...... The title says it's a weird question so maybe that is what people should have expected. Can I ask with all due respect if there is any need to know the ins and outs, whys and wherefores of the situation before the specific question can be answered, if the answer is known, politely? Does anyone really need to know my life history before they can advocate chicken instead of turkey? Karsten wrote...... Thirdly, given the constraints of your problem you are likely to receive an answer that is totally useless. When asked "what is the meaning of life, the universe and everything?" Deep Thought answered "42." Steve replied........ It may come as a shock but HHGTTG is a NOVEL, not a futuristic documentary Karsten wrote...... If you have a ticket to fantasy island and Tatoo is going to help you lose weight but for some reason you have to bring all your own food then you have to bring stuff that will last the month without going bad. I'd bring grapefruit, rice, frozen broccoli, frozen chicken and yogurt. Steve replied...... It says in the opening post that food can be stored without going off. It also says there are lots of veggies. Joanne wrote...... A month isnt enough time ..maybe six months to a year? Time makes real permanent weight changes. Steve replied..... I realise that a month is only a short time in the context of regulated weight loss. My idea was to use the month to get out of the bad habits of going to the fridge for unhealthy stuff or to the biscuit barrel. I was kind of hoping that a month on a strict diet of healthy foods would stand me in good stead for the coming years. Joanne wrote....... 1) Oatmeal ... because its a whole grain we all should be eating. 2) Olive oil or another 'good fat' cooking oil ..stirfry those island veggies! 3) Laying chickens for eggs ... the complete protein ... 4) Salt and or spices ... 5) Coffee .. of course Steve replied........ 1) Do you mean Oatmeal as in porridge or is there another way besides Oatmeal cakes? 2) To be honest, I was going to cut out frying altogether and steam all the veggies. 3) eggs.... Can I ask if poached and boiled are best for dieters? 4) But no Teriyaki sause, lol 5) Water only. OK, The desert Island thing was just the simplest way I could get across what I wanted to say without having to type out 4 pages of stuff that would basically have boiled down to the same thing. 1.. Loads of fruit and veg available. 2.. Cooking and storage available. 3.. Minimum extra foodstuff. The reason for number 3 is that I am a terrible cook if it isn't a basic meal. I can cook a bowl of rice and 3 veg 3 times a day and not get bored of eating it but if I cookbook demands 3 cloves of this, a sprig of that and a twist of the other, I just can't see the point. Why not just rice and veg? I hope that has helped clear up the "why"? 2 > Steve replied...... > The title says it's a weird question so maybe that is what people [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Does anyone really need to know my life history before they can > advocate chicken instead of turkey? If you need advocacy for chicken rather than turkey then you are definitely going to the wrong island. Eat less, exercise more is pretty much the formula for losing weight. If you have other questions, "ask a fox." My champion, Covert Bailey, uses that phrase to answer questions like "should I exercise in the morning or night?," "Should I use sugar or honey in my tea." He points out that a fox never questions when he should exercise. And asking about sugar vs. honey when you are overweight is like a naked guy asking if he should wear a tie. He goes on to say that a teaspoon of cake in your tea would be better since it has less sugar than a teaspoon of sugar or honey. You might be in a stage where you need to make macro changes to your WOL. Don't focus on minutiae. Eat less, exercise more. Start there and work your way down. > Steve replied........ > It may come as a shock but HHGTTG is a NOVEL, not a futuristic > documentary That does come as a shock to me. But only because I had my fingers in an outlet when I read that. > Steve replied...... > It says in the opening post that food can be stored without going off. > It also says there are lots of veggies. You said you were going to an island. I didn't assume that the island would have organic broccoli. I assumed it would have island veggies. I would have taken broccoli to keep my resolve up until I learned what to eat and how to prepare it adequately. Same with citrus. I don't recall islands having much citrus. The chicken and yogurt would be to hold me until I could learn to hunt and fish and milk what ever I found on the island. Then after a month, I would be rescued and go back to my life. > Steve replied..... > I realise that a month is only a short time in the context of regulated > weight loss. My idea was to use the month to get out of the bad habits > of going to the fridge for unhealthy stuff or to the biscuit barrel. I > was kind of hoping that a month on a strict diet of healthy foods would > stand me in good stead for the coming years. Changing your WOL is a life time journey. A month is a good place to start. > Steve replied........ > 1) Do you mean Oatmeal as in porridge or is there another way besides [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > 4) But no Teriyaki sause, lol > 5) Water only. 1-5: Ask a fox. If you are currently eating from the biscuit barrel you would do well eating any veggies steamed or fried. When you get out of the barrel you can start along the path of least processing. Eat foods in their most natural state with no additives of salt, sugar, or fat. Stay away from packaged food. Personally I'd prefer lean meats (chicken, fish, beef, pork; not necessarily in that order) over eggs but to each their own. I recommend using crutches rather than going cold turkey. It can be frustrating to get off coffee due to its highly addictive nature. I got off all sorts of stuff by weaning myself slowly and using crutches to help me get off alcohol, sugar, fat and salt. Cold turkey may be fine for some but I needed time to adapt. > OK, The desert Island thing was just the simplest way I could get > across what I wanted to say without having to type out 4 pages of stuff [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > I hope that has helped clear up the "why"? > 2 Now that wasn't your life story, was it? Nor was it four pages. You have delusions of grandeur. Ok, so that puts it into perspective. I, like you, prefer very simple meals. I would recommend some spices, or sauces to go over your sources of protein for some variety and taste. A dash of dried herbs and lemon juice is great on fish, when it comes out of the toaster oven another squeeze of lemon for good measure. For chicken a bottled jerk sauce or other flavorful but mimimal sugar and fat sauce will do wonders. Steamed veggies of all kinds are perfect and you can buy those fresh every week (see its not really a month of storage) See if you can get used to brown rice. Personally I didn't like the taste until I learned to roast it first. Just put it in a rocket hot saucepan and roast it until it starts to pop (like mini popcorn) then pour it into the water and cook as normal. Over time I learned to like it just fine without roasting it. When you get adventurous try stir fry. Very little oil (actually none if you don't care about caramelizing your onions/garlic. The oil helps move heat into the food so things get hot enough to caramelize. That lends flavor but I can take it or leave it. Then take everything you've got, veggie wise, and throw it in there (cut into uniform pieces for uniform cooking), then throw lean chicken, pork, beef or even fish cut into bite sized pieces, then some chicken stock and some teriaki sauce. Add cornstarch if you like a thicker sauce. Server over rice. I once read that a well stocked pantry only had like 30 ingredients. As you get bolder you'll probably get interested in cooking. Its the only way to control your ingredients and its fun. Sometimes I think a lot of our problems are that we don't stay home and cook. k > The title says it's a weird question so maybe that is what people > should have expected. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Does anyone really need to know my life history before they can > advocate chicken instead of turkey? Seriously, if I had to pick what to take to an uninhabited island with available vegs, I would take a .22 rifle, a couple of bricks of ammo, matches, an axe, and tarp if possible. I would take perhaps 10 lbs of salted pork bellies to last me until I settle in locally. Uninhabited islands usually have quite a bit of animal based food available. It is unrealistic to expect to take all needed food with me. i >> I need you to imagine that you are going to be alone on a desert island >> for a month. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >4) Salt and or spices ... >5) Coffee .. of course ... I like the idea of chickens. I put in chicken breast, but if I'd had a sixth item I've had chosen eggs. That way you get both. Chris 262/130s/130s started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004 >Hi Guys and Guyesses, >I know this question is weird but there is a valid reason for asking. >I need you to imagine that you are going to be alone on a desert island >for a month. >On this island is a plentiful supply of fresh water, many kinds of >fruit and lots of veggies. If there's lots of veggies, then I guess I can take all protein and fat, eh? Here's my list. Eggs, 'cause I love them and eat one for breakfast every day. It appears as though there are lots of vegetable ingredients for omelets. Boneless skinless chicken breasts. They make a good stir-fry. Beef tenderloin. For a change from the chicken.. Cheese. Olive oil. You need something to cook all that stuff in. Chicken breast Salmon Cheese (if I have to pick a kind, Swiss) Nuts (if I have to pick a kind, cashew) Caramel Cups (like peanut butter cups, but with caramel -- yummy, but hard to find) Rationale: I'm a protein-aholic; chicken breast and salmon are my staples. I would have a hard time going without cheese for a month, and it will provide calcium. Nuts (along with the salmon) are a source of good fats, and are good as a snack as well as in salads (using those "free" veggies and fruits). And I wouldn't want to do without chocolate, and chocolate + caramel is everything I need in the way of sweets. (I can easily do without bread for a month -- something I'd expect many people to include.) Chris 262/130s/130s started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004 > Caramel Cups (like peanut butter cups, but with caramel -- yummy, but > hard to find) I just discovered the other night that Newman's Organics makes awesome caramel cups. I found them at my local health food store. >> Caramel Cups (like peanut butter cups, but with caramel -- yummy, but >> hard to find) > >I just discovered the other night that Newman's Organics makes awesome >caramel cups. I found them at my local health food store. Cool! I'll look for them! Chris 262/130s/130s started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004 > Hi Guys and Guyesses, > I know this question is weird but there is a valid reason for asking. Valid reason? Just having a reason to chatter is valid reason enough! > I need you to imagine that you are going to be alone on a desert island > for a month. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > What would you take and if possible, why? > Thanks for reading. Interesting question. Well, since there are plenty of fruits and veggies on my new island, I'm not going to bring any of those. And I'm going to assume that there is a salt deposit somewhere, or that I can make my own by boiling down sea water. I will also assume that various herbs grow, so I don't have bother with bring basil or stuff like that. And lemons grow here, right? I need lemons. Yeah... I see a grove off in the distance over there. Good. And chili's? I can make my own salsa then. Right, this won't be so bad. So I'm going to go with: Chicken: Lots of ways to cook, one of my favorite meats, and not too bad for you. Whole wheat pita: I can use them for sandwiches, make them into pizza's (I assume that tomatoes are part of the local flora and I can make my own sauce), tostadas Low Fat Cheese: For said pizza's, to make tostadas, (with the pita and chicken). Just for plain old snacking on. And I'm sure my body will appreciate the calcium. Tea: Cause I'm civilized. Splenda: To sweeten my tea. Yeah, I can live off of the above for a month, easy. Longer, really.  SignatureAnnie As of 02-24-06: 258/198.5/140 Standing at 5 foot 4. 59.5 pounds lost. 58.5 left to go. Started February/07/05 Come visit my weight-loss web site, Annie Takes Off. http://webpages.charter.net/lenny13/DietFrontPage.html Well! Chicken boneless skinless of course Kashi Good Friends w/ raisins cereal ( wait do I have a cow/goat) 55 gallon drum of skim milk (hope I have a refrigerator or soon it will be yogurt) peanut butter (not low fat but good source of protein and handy to have) rice (brown would be better but jasmine or basmati would be tastier} and can I swim over to the other island for a cup of tea now and again? So what 3 books would you take with you....now that is a question! D > and can I swim over to the other island for a cup of tea now and again? Fine by me. Swimming is great exercise, and I'd love the company. We'll just have to hope there are no sharks about. SignatureAnnie As of 02-24-06: 258/198.5/140 Standing at 5 foot 4. 59.5 pounds lost. 58.5 left to go. Started February/07/05 Come visit my weight-loss web site, Annie Takes Off. http://webpages.charter.net/lenny13/DietFrontPage.html |
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