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Week 47 report - down 1.3 lb this week, 74.8 lb total

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Doug Lerner - 28 Apr 2006 00:02 GMT
This was a fairly typical week in most respects. I don't have any new major
milestones to report, but as you can see in my stats, below, I'm getting
agonizingly close to a few! :)

My average daily calories came to 1619 calories/day, about 120 calories/day
more than last week. Since I lost 1.3 lb this week this means my CPP
(calories per pound per day needed to maintain weight) was 11.4, which is a
bit higher than my average CPP.

My "rolling 4 week average" decreased slightly to 1.3 lb/week.

You can see my latest weight loss graph at
http://lerner.net/diet/weight20060428.jpg

The latest stats:

* Week 47 / Day 329
* This week's loss: 0.6 kg = 1.3 lb
* Weight (kg): 125.0 -> 91.0 (minus 34.0 kg)
* Weight (lb): 275.0 -> 200.2 (minus 74.8 lb)
* BMI: 41.3 -> 30.1
* Percent body mass lost: 27.2%
* Percent complete to goal: 74%

doug
Beverly - 28 Apr 2006 01:10 GMT
Wow!  You're soooo close to the 200 milestone.

Beverly

> This was a fairly typical week in most respects. I don't have any new major
> milestones to report, but as you can see in my stats, below, I'm getting
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>
> doug
Doug Lerner - 28 Apr 2006 01:24 GMT
Really!

Maybe sometime this coming week?

I'm leaving next Friday on a 3 week trip to the U.S. again. It would be nice
to get that milestone under my belt, as it were, before I leave...

doug

On 4/28/06 9:10 AM, in article 94d4g.12558$YI5.4060@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com,

> Wow!  You're soooo close to the 200 milestone.
>
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
>>
>> doug
ahmward - 28 Apr 2006 03:59 GMT
Congrats and check your weight before you leave.
Audrey

> Really!
>
[quoted text clipped - 44 lines]
>>>
>>> doug
DestinyintheDark - 28 Apr 2006 04:39 GMT
So close to the hundreds-  Good for you!!! I don't think I will make
the hundreds this month but you never know!  I know that you do better
on trips than I do and I have a road trip to Seattle/Vancouver coming
up so I will be thinking about you for inspiration and resolve!
                                          D
Doug Lerner - 28 Apr 2006 06:15 GMT
On 4/28/06 12:39 PM, in article
1146195565.569775.96650@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com, "DestinyintheDark"
<destiny@allwest.net> wrote:

> So close to the hundreds-  Good for you!!! I don't think I will make
> the hundreds this month but you never know!  I know that you do better
> on trips than I do and I have a road trip to Seattle/Vancouver coming
> up so I will be thinking about you for inspiration and resolve!

Good luck on your road trip. Let's stick to our respective plans while
traveling!

doug
Beverly - 28 Apr 2006 12:16 GMT
> So close to the hundreds-  Good for you!!! I don't think I will make
> the hundreds this month but you never know!  I know that you do better
> on trips than I do and I have a road trip to Seattle/Vancouver coming
> up so I will be thinking about you for inspiration and resolve!
>                                            D

I'm sure you can make this upcoming trip a successful one with planning and
determination.  I've found the worst thing about traveling is often the
sodium content in restaurant foods.  Even the lower calorie selections often
have more sodium than I'm used to eating.  On my last trip I did lots of
walking and biking, made healthy food selections 95% of the time and still
returned home with 4 extra pounds.  But those few pounds were gone in a
couple days as it was water retention.

Make the next trip a challenge!

Beverly
Stormmee - 28 Apr 2006 20:28 GMT
I retain water when in the car so don't get too worked up about it, Lee, who
has lots more salt when out

> > So close to the hundreds-  Good for you!!! I don't think I will make
> > the hundreds this month but you never know!  I know that you do better
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> Beverly
ahmward - 28 Apr 2006 22:33 GMT
I didn't weigh in the day after my bus trip because my home scale showed
a two pound gain. Yikes!  It's back down today.  I was sitting in the
bus for a total of seven and a half hours.
Audrey
>I retain water when in the car so don't get too worked up about it,
>Lee, who
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>>
>> Beverly
Stormmee - 29 Apr 2006 11:12 GMT
I swear I gain if I think about being in the car, but it does go away soon,
Lee, who is just traveling on the wrong days
> I didn't weigh in the day after my bus trip because my home scale showed
> a two pound gain. Yikes!  It's back down today.  I was sitting in the
[quoted text clipped - 32 lines]
> >>
> >> Beverly
Stormmee - 28 Apr 2006 07:54 GMT
more great work, Lee
> This was a fairly typical week in most respects. I don't have any new major
> milestones to report, but as you can see in my stats, below, I'm getting
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>
> doug
Eddie-Type2 - 28 Apr 2006 18:24 GMT
Another good week for you Doug!.........Good for you!

Question:  Is it getting easier ?

Eddie
Weight June05-359lbs
Current Weight-289.2lbs
Loss to date=69.8lbs
Goal Weight-180lbs

This was a fairly typical week in most respects. I don't have any new major
milestones to report, but as you can see in my stats, below, I'm getting
agonizingly close to a few! :)

My average daily calories came to 1619 calories/day, about 120 calories/day
more than last week. Since I lost 1.3 lb this week this means my CPP
(calories per pound per day needed to maintain weight) was 11.4, which is a
bit higher than my average CPP.

My "rolling 4 week average" decreased slightly to 1.3 lb/week.

You can see my latest weight loss graph at
http://lerner.net/diet/weight20060428.jpg

The latest stats:

* Week 47 / Day 329
* This week's loss: 0.6 kg = 1.3 lb
* Weight (kg): 125.0 -> 91.0 (minus 34.0 kg)
* Weight (lb): 275.0 -> 200.2 (minus 74.8 lb)
* BMI: 41.3 -> 30.1
* Percent body mass lost: 27.2%
* Percent complete to goal: 74%

doug
Doug Lerner - 28 Apr 2006 21:28 GMT
On 4/29/06 2:24 AM, in article 8gs4g.34988$Hk1.34243@read1.cgocable.net,

> Another good week for you Doug!.........Good for you!
>
> Question:  Is it getting easier ?

Good question. I suppose the answer is "yes" in that I feel very much "in a
routine" and don't feel tempted to go off my diet.

If I'm hungry and get the munchies I just make sure to eat low-calorie
snacks I keep around or can run down to the convenience store to buy.

doug

> Eddie
> Weight June05-359lbs
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
>
> doug
Eddie-Type2 - 28 Apr 2006 22:06 GMT
I guess the question I'm really getting at , and I need to come to grips
with it as well, is, do you feel like you can do this for the rest of your
life?  It's an awakening thought, but I think we all need to come to that
realization if we truly want to be healthy for the rest of our lives.

It scares the hell out of me, but coming to grips with it is helping to keep
me motivated, just like when I quit smoking 3 years ago.

Any thoughts?......

Eddie
Weight June05-359lbs
Current Weight-289.2lbs
Loss to date=69.8lbs
Goal Weight-180lbs

On 4/29/06 2:24 AM, in article 8gs4g.34988$Hk1.34243@read1.cgocable.net,
"Eddie-Type2" <eddies-drafting@cogeco.ca> wrote:

> Another good week for you Doug!.........Good for you!
>
> Question:  Is it getting easier ?

Good question. I suppose the answer is "yes" in that I feel very much "in a
routine" and don't feel tempted to go off my diet.

If I'm hungry and get the munchies I just make sure to eat low-calorie
snacks I keep around or can run down to the convenience store to buy.

doug

> Eddie
> Weight June05-359lbs
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
>
> doug
ahmward - 28 Apr 2006 22:39 GMT
>I guess the question I'm really getting at , and I need to come to
>grips
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> Loss to date=69.8lbs
> Goal Weight-180lbs

Not Doug here but I've been doing this more than half of my life only
seriously at the beginning and the last few years.  Yes, you can do it
as long as you don't get sidetracked.  There are so many good habits
that I do without thinking twice.  I haven't had whole milk or cottage
cheese in years.  I always eat breakfast and eat my meals slowly.  Huge
gooey desserts now make me sick but lighter ones are fine.  I like to go
back to tracking if I do go off because it gives me control.  My biggest
difficulty is still out of town trips and social occasions though I have
learned what to order off a menu and how to balance the amount of
calories I eat in my meals. I am now chasing down fast food places for
snacks.  My good friend at the meetings used to weigh over 300 pounds
and now she has maintained 159 for over a year.  She is in her late 60s
and has health problems that prevent her from doing a lot of exercise
but she is happy and healthier with the best outlook.  She lost so many
years of her life not being able to do things because of her weight.
You too are such a positive person that I know you will be a success
story.

Audrey
Eddie-Type2 - 29 Apr 2006 00:51 GMT
Thanks Audrey!  Your words of encouragement mean a great deal to me.  I've
only honestly made an effort twice prior to lose weight and both times, it
was simply an exercise of lose the weight for a while, then get on with life
the way it was.  I did retain a few good habits from those 2 experiences,
but I still went back to my old eating habits and gained the weight back
both times with a vengeance.

This time however, I am of a completely different mindset.  Maybe it's
because I'm much older now and realize the health benefits or should I say
possible health consequences if I do or don't stick with it this time for
life.

As I said to Doug, coming to grips with the fact that "quitting is not an
option" for me and that dealing with my weight for the rest of my life is a
difficult decision to convince myself that I must stick with it.

When I quit smoking, it took me 5 times, but the last time I tried it, I was
ready and I had it in my mind that I was going to do it.

I feel the same way now about get myself into a healthy lifestyle.......I'm
feeling really positive.

Thanks Again!

Eddie
Weight June05-359lbs
Current Weight-289.2lbs
Loss to date=69.8lbs
Goal Weight-180lbs

>I guess the question I'm really getting at , and I need to come to
>grips
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> Loss to date=69.8lbs
> Goal Weight-180lbs

Not Doug here but I've been doing this more than half of my life only
seriously at the beginning and the last few years.  Yes, you can do it
as long as you don't get sidetracked.  There are so many good habits
that I do without thinking twice.  I haven't had whole milk or cottage
cheese in years.  I always eat breakfast and eat my meals slowly.  Huge
gooey desserts now make me sick but lighter ones are fine.  I like to go
back to tracking if I do go off because it gives me control.  My biggest
difficulty is still out of town trips and social occasions though I have
learned what to order off a menu and how to balance the amount of
calories I eat in my meals. I am now chasing down fast food places for
snacks.  My good friend at the meetings used to weigh over 300 pounds
and now she has maintained 159 for over a year.  She is in her late 60s
and has health problems that prevent her from doing a lot of exercise
but she is happy and healthier with the best outlook.  She lost so many
years of her life not being able to do things because of her weight.
You too are such a positive person that I know you will be a success
story.

Audrey
Doug Lerner - 29 Apr 2006 02:25 GMT
On 4/29/06 8:51 AM, in article aUx4g.35007$Hk1.22855@read1.cgocable.net,

> Thanks Audrey!  Your words of encouragement mean a great deal to me.  I've
> only honestly made an effort twice prior to lose weight and both times, it
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> possible health consequences if I do or don't stick with it this time for
> life.

You and I again sound very similar here.

> As I said to Doug, coming to grips with the fact that "quitting is not an
> option" for me and that dealing with my weight for the rest of my life is a
> difficult decision to convince myself that I must stick with it.
>
> When I quit smoking, it took me 5 times, but the last time I tried it, I was
> ready and I had it in my mind that I was going to do it.

I smoke by the way. But only 1 cigarette every 10 years.

doug

> I feel the same way now about get myself into a healthy lifestyle.......I'm
> feeling really positive.
[quoted text clipped - 46 lines]
>
> Audrey
Doug Lerner - 29 Apr 2006 02:24 GMT
That of course is the real question. I've lost a lot of weight in the past
only to regain most of it again.

I'm hoping that I've learned from my past mistakes, but in the back of my
mind there is (will always be?) that worry.

So what am I doing this time around to make this into something I can stay
on for the rest of my life?

(1) A plan that is low-pressure

   Rather than rushing to get quick results, and rather than sticking to
strict daily limits (which are always oppressing) I am trying to take it
"slow and easy".

   My built-in bonus calorie system helps, because I know there is always a
buffer I can dip into and still stay on my diet. Avoiding any sort of strict
daily limit helps. I know in the back of my mind that I *can* draw on my
bonus if I need to (and every once in a while I mind eat a bit more than
2000 calories in a day this way). But I never feel like I have to "blow the
bank".

   I'm also *trying* to add more variety in what I eat to avoid becoming
bored. But I am not a good cook, so my recipe repertoire is very limited.
But I try to be conscious of this and vary when I can. I've noticed,
actually, lately, that when I eat out with friends I end up losing *more*
that week than when I cook at home. Maybe it has to do with sheer variety.

   Anyway, I'm trying to get used to the fact that "this is the way I eat"
and not think about it as deprivation. Rather I try to think of it as a new,
healthy way of eating that I need to stay on just as much as a person with a
chronic illness needs to keep taking their medicine.

   Fortunately, I have not felt *deprived* yet. Though I still look away
when passing by a KFC. :)

(2) Adding in exercise

   This is the first time I have actually added regular exercise to my
diet.

   I still am not enamored of exercise. I really have to make a conscious
effort to do it. And sometimes I do only 15 minutes a day on my exercise
bike. But... it is a HUGE difference to me from the past when I basically
did no exercise at all. Not only do I feel better, but the fact that I can
deduct the exercise calories from my eating total for the day is also a
great incentive to me, even if it is just 150 or 200 calories. So I am
hoping that this is one of the major differences that will let me stay with
it forever.

(3) Getting out of the gluttony mindset

   I've done a lot of thinking this time around about how I had been eating
in the past, what normal portions really are supposed to be and how utterly
gluttonous I had been while packing on weight.

   I have found, for example, that I can actually get full on just about
any amount of food IF I WAIT LONG ENOUGH AFTER EATING. Some references say
that it is normal for there to be a 20 minute gap after eating and before
feeling full. I honestly think that for me (and maybe this is the difference
between naturally thin and fat people?) that for me the time gap is more
like 45 minutes to an hour. I've become conscious of this and try to just
*wait* after eating for a while to see if I really do feel like eating more
in an hour. So volumes, portions and just being more aware of appetite and
how to keep it under control has helped this time around - without feeling
deprived.

(4) Nothing succeeds like success - and the reaction of those around you

   Yes, I'm doing this for me. But I admit I love it when somebody notices!
The other day a complete stranger came up to me in the supermarket. She was
a bit stout. She accosted me right there in the store and said, "I've seen
you! You used to be so fat! How did you lose so much weight?" Then, I swear,
she began rummaging through my shopping cart! It was so funny I couldn't
possibly be offended. She started asking me questions like "so you eat
edamame every day?" and so on.

   Anyway, getting reactions - particularly from ordinary people on the
street is a great incentive to stay on the diet.

   As far as family and friends go, they have all become conscious of my
new eating lifestyle and are very cooperative. If I go over to a friend's
place they enjoy saying, "and we ordered in, but made sure to order stuff
that you said you could eat". It makes dealing with special occasions and
get-togethers easier.

   So this kind of informal support network of neighbors and friends and
family will, I hope, go a long way to keeping me from every rebounding.

doug

On 4/29/06 6:06 AM, in article Otv4g.35003$Hk1.26128@read1.cgocable.net,

> I guess the question I'm really getting at , and I need to come to grips
> with it as well, is, do you feel like you can do this for the rest of your
[quoted text clipped - 61 lines]
>>
>> doug
Eddie-Type2 - 29 Apr 2006 13:13 GMT
fantastic post Doug!.......reading your posts certainly convinces me that
you are going to be successful this time for life!........way to go!

Eddie
Weight June05-359lbs
Current Weight-289.2lbs
Loss to date=69.8lbs
Goal Weight-180lbs

That of course is the real question. I've lost a lot of weight in the past
only to regain most of it again.

I'm hoping that I've learned from my past mistakes, but in the back of my
mind there is (will always be?) that worry.

So what am I doing this time around to make this into something I can stay
on for the rest of my life?

(1) A plan that is low-pressure

   Rather than rushing to get quick results, and rather than sticking to
strict daily limits (which are always oppressing) I am trying to take it
"slow and easy".

   My built-in bonus calorie system helps, because I know there is always a
buffer I can dip into and still stay on my diet. Avoiding any sort of strict
daily limit helps. I know in the back of my mind that I *can* draw on my
bonus if I need to (and every once in a while I mind eat a bit more than
2000 calories in a day this way). But I never feel like I have to "blow the
bank".

   I'm also *trying* to add more variety in what I eat to avoid becoming
bored. But I am not a good cook, so my recipe repertoire is very limited.
But I try to be conscious of this and vary when I can. I've noticed,
actually, lately, that when I eat out with friends I end up losing *more*
that week than when I cook at home. Maybe it has to do with sheer variety.

   Anyway, I'm trying to get used to the fact that "this is the way I eat"
and not think about it as deprivation. Rather I try to think of it as a new,
healthy way of eating that I need to stay on just as much as a person with a
chronic illness needs to keep taking their medicine.

   Fortunately, I have not felt *deprived* yet. Though I still look away
when passing by a KFC. :)

(2) Adding in exercise

   This is the first time I have actually added regular exercise to my
diet.

   I still am not enamored of exercise. I really have to make a conscious
effort to do it. And sometimes I do only 15 minutes a day on my exercise
bike. But... it is a HUGE difference to me from the past when I basically
did no exercise at all. Not only do I feel better, but the fact that I can
deduct the exercise calories from my eating total for the day is also a
great incentive to me, even if it is just 150 or 200 calories. So I am
hoping that this is one of the major differences that will let me stay with
it forever.

(3) Getting out of the gluttony mindset

   I've done a lot of thinking this time around about how I had been eating
in the past, what normal portions really are supposed to be and how utterly
gluttonous I had been while packing on weight.

   I have found, for example, that I can actually get full on just about
any amount of food IF I WAIT LONG ENOUGH AFTER EATING. Some references say
that it is normal for there to be a 20 minute gap after eating and before
feeling full. I honestly think that for me (and maybe this is the difference
between naturally thin and fat people?) that for me the time gap is more
like 45 minutes to an hour. I've become conscious of this and try to just
*wait* after eating for a while to see if I really do feel like eating more
in an hour. So volumes, portions and just being more aware of appetite and
how to keep it under control has helped this time around - without feeling
deprived.

(4) Nothing succeeds like success - and the reaction of those around you

   Yes, I'm doing this for me. But I admit I love it when somebody notices!
The other day a complete stranger came up to me in the supermarket. She was
a bit stout. She accosted me right there in the store and said, "I've seen
you! You used to be so fat! How did you lose so much weight?" Then, I swear,
she began rummaging through my shopping cart! It was so funny I couldn't
possibly be offended. She started asking me questions like "so you eat
edamame every day?" and so on.

   Anyway, getting reactions - particularly from ordinary people on the
street is a great incentive to stay on the diet.

   As far as family and friends go, they have all become conscious of my
new eating lifestyle and are very cooperative. If I go over to a friend's
place they enjoy saying, "and we ordered in, but made sure to order stuff
that you said you could eat". It makes dealing with special occasions and
get-togethers easier.

   So this kind of informal support network of neighbors and friends and
family will, I hope, go a long way to keeping me from every rebounding.

doug

On 4/29/06 6:06 AM, in article Otv4g.35003$Hk1.26128@read1.cgocable.net,
"Eddie-Type2" <eddies-drafting@cogeco.ca> wrote:

> I guess the question I'm really getting at , and I need to come to grips
> with it as well, is, do you feel like you can do this for the rest of your
[quoted text clipped - 62 lines]
>>
>> doug
Stormmee - 29 Apr 2006 11:03 GMT
my rule is that I do nothing while losing that I am unwilling to continuing
while on maintenance.  this means I have tried some things and discarded
them, also means I lose slower than I could but I know the changes I have
made I can keep to.  Examples, I tried to quit my bedtime snack, woke up
with my hands in the refrigerator, never had done that before, bedtime snack
is back, Lee
> I guess the question I'm really getting at , and I need to come to grips
> with it as well, is, do you feel like you can do this for the rest of your
[quoted text clipped - 61 lines]
> >
> > doug
Eddie-Type2 - 29 Apr 2006 13:15 GMT
you always make me smile Lee!!!!!!!

Eddie
Weight June05-359lbs
Current Weight-289.2lbs
Loss to date=69.8lbs
Goal Weight-180lbs

my rule is that I do nothing while losing that I am unwilling to continuing
while on maintenance.  this means I have tried some things and discarded
them, also means I lose slower than I could but I know the changes I have
made I can keep to.  Examples, I tried to quit my bedtime snack, woke up
with my hands in the refrigerator, never had done that before, bedtime snack
is back, Lee
Eddie-Type2 <eddies(-)drafting@cogeco.ca> wrote in message
news:Otv4g.35003$Hk1.26128@read1.cgocable.net...
> I guess the question I'm really getting at , and I need to come to grips
> with it as well, is, do you feel like you can do this for the rest of your
> life?  It's an awakening thought, but I think we all need to come to that
> realization if we truly want to be healthy for the rest of our lives.
>
> It scares the hell out of me, but coming to grips with it is helping to
keep
> me motivated, just like when I quit smoking 3 years ago.
>
[quoted text clipped - 37 lines]
> > more than last week. Since I lost 1.3 lb this week this means my CPP
> > (calories per pound per day needed to maintain weight) was 11.4, which
is
> a
> > bit higher than my average CPP.
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> >
> > doug
Stormmee - 29 Apr 2006 13:21 GMT
I wasn't smiling when I woke up there, haven't ever done that, and you know
its cold in there, Lee
> you always make me smile Lee!!!!!!!
>
[quoted text clipped - 81 lines]
> > >
> > > doug
Gloria - 29 Apr 2006 16:05 GMT
I seldom have the time to drop by here! But I'm sooo glad to see this
thread!
I too am in tis for  life!!!!!! I WILL NEVER go back to the OLD ME! The
STORY about the lady at W W was a GOOD ONE!
I'm slowly taking it off! BUT I WILL NOT GIVE UP! I was 205 in Jan,
2006. Now I'm down to 190 :>) But my one size smaller is GOOD! I'm not
active due to ms. But SLOWLY I lose! It's for LIFE! Not just a diet!! I
was 269 about 20 yrs ago. Life sucked at that weight. Now I can hardly
walk but it also is easier as the weight is lower. I just long for
180's!!! I'm close!!! I keep trying but I eat a snack at bedtime OR I
get in the frij !!!
I want 167 !! I WILL GET THERE!!!

My mom lives with me and she is slowly dieing. this IS stress. She
needed to be here and I'm glad!

Have a great week end everyone!!!

glo

                       
Beverly - 30 Apr 2006 20:09 GMT
> I seldom have the time to drop by here! But I'm sooo glad to see this
> thread!
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> glo

Just keep at it one day at a time and you'll get there, Glo.

Sorry to hear about your mother.  I know how stressful it is to have a
parent in declining health.  I admire your ability to deal with this and
your health problems.

Beverly
David Frank - 29 Apr 2006 18:00 GMT
Doug,
If you have a text file of your daily or weekly results (weight, calories,
maybe exercise mins or  miles walked or not)
I would like to run it thru my program, see my topic (no-one responded yet)
"program to calc maintenance calories"
Thanks, Dave in Fla..
Doug Lerner - 30 Apr 2006 02:53 GMT
I don't record my exercise calories separately in my spreadsheet, just my
"net" calories.

I can send you that spreadsheet if you like though. Please send me email
separately.

doug

On 4/30/06 2:00 AM, in article
fZM4g.10841$sq5.4042@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net, "David Frank"
<dave_frank@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Doug,
> If you have a text file of your daily or weekly results (weight, calories,
> maybe exercise mins or  miles walked or not)
> I would like to run it thru my program, see my topic (no-one responded yet)
> "program to calc maintenance calories"
> Thanks, Dave in Fla..
 
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