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any thoughts on the cabbage soup diet
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lissa - 21 Aug 2006 16:11 GMT i'm new here- and need to get this diet started- gotta lose 90 lbs- again.(sigh) what about trying this cabbage soup thing to lose a few and get things moving. thoughts? thanks lissa
oregonchick - 21 Aug 2006 16:19 GMT > i'm new here- and need to get this diet started- gotta lose 90 lbs- > again.(sigh) what about trying this cabbage soup thing to lose a few > and get things moving. thoughts? thanks > lissa You probably already know what we are going to say... But here it is anyways: You need to make permanent changes to your diet. There are no quick fixes. The cabbage soup diet, like all other fad, "lose weight quick" diets is not healthy. You need to exercise. There is no magic bullet or "easy" way.
The cabbage soup diet works because you are severely restricting calories. You could eat a MUCH healthier and well rounded diet and do the same thing - restrict calories. And by eating well balanced, you're going to feel better.
I'm sorry that you are having to lose these 90 lbs "again". Maybe the reason why you are in this boat again is because you failed to learn last time that this is a life long commitment to changing your eating and exercise methods. It is not a temporary thing that you do to drop the lbs and then go about your previous routine. It is permanent. If you don't permanently change your lifestyle, you will be back here again next year...
Betsy
lissa - 21 Aug 2006 16:51 GMT oregon chic: you're right - I blew it- I feel bad about it, but must move on and try again. thanks for your post- any ideas on how we can learn this lesson and avoid needing to lose it all again- tips and hints appreciated. lissa
oregonchick - 21 Aug 2006 17:44 GMT > oregon chic: you're right - I blew it- I feel bad about it, but must > move on and try again. thanks for your post- any ideas on how we can > learn this lesson and avoid needing to lose it all again- tips and > hints appreciated. > lissa Don't be in a hurry... I know, easier said than done. But you didn't gain 90 lbs in a month, you aren't going to lose it that fast either. Initially, the very overweight can lose upwards of 2+ lbs per week. That is great, but keep in mind, some of it is also water loss. It is not all bonafide fat. When you get closer to goal, expect weight loss to slow to a half pound to a lb per week. The slower the better actually. I wouldn't expect to lose 90 lbs in less than 2 yrs. It really depends on what you're willing to do to make it happen. Exercise is CRUCIAL. If you are really out of shape, just start by walking a couple miles a day. Or a half hour, or whatever you can muster. But do it EVERY day. It's as much about making it a habit as the actual burning of calories. Exercise needs to be like brushing your teeth. Where you feel funny if you don't do it.
The other thing is while losing fat, you're going to lose muscle. To preserve as much muscle as possible, eat enough protein, and keep up the exercise. Cardio is great, but resistance training helps alot too.
As far as eating - it's not complicated. If you like eating garbage - sweets, greasy fried foods, processed foods, soda, etc, you're going to have to learn to like healthier options, and save those other foods for "splurge" days. You probably have a good idea what IS healthy - fruits and veggies, lean meats, high fiber cereals pastas and breads, etc. You should probably try to journal what you eat every day for awhile - try fitday. You should be eating around 10 calories x current lbs in bodyweight.
KR - 23 Aug 2006 13:36 GMT You should use fitday, even for a little while, to see where your calories are coming from. You will be surprised. My husband and I were both shocked at how much fat we were eating sometimes and how many calories we were consuming. We have become label reading grocery shoppers and healthy snackers...
You should also exercise daily. Even if it's just a 20 minute walk, 20 minutes of vaccuming, walk to the store to get the paper instead of having it delivered, just something. Make this a part of your life.
KR
> oregon chic: you're right - I blew it- I feel bad about it, but must > move on and try again. thanks for your post- any ideas on how we can > learn this lesson and avoid needing to lose it all again- tips and > hints appreciated. > lissa Doug Freyburger - 21 Aug 2006 20:22 GMT > > i'm new here- and need to get this diet started- gotta lose 90 lbs- > > again.(sigh) what about trying this cabbage soup thing to lose a few [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > and then go about your previous routine. It is permanent. If you don't > permanently change your lifestyle, you will be back here again next year... Another thing to hammer home - If Lissa lost 90 pounds before, then the whole thing about the losing isn't the interesting or important part any more. It is *entirely* about the *keeping* it off. Fail to make it like brushing your teeth in the morning and all the losing is wasted effort.
Keeping it off is mental. You can't use a "diet" to do it. You have to have a plan that has a maintenance phase (from a book or designed yourself) and you have to stick to it. Your new way of eating has to be simply what you do. Huge mental switch from being on a diet. The lose has to be a side effect of that mental change not the driver.
Ignoramus4235 - 21 Aug 2006 16:23 GMT > i'm new here- and need to get this diet started- gotta lose 90 lbs- > again.(sigh) what about trying this cabbage soup thing to lose a few > and get things moving. thoughts? thanks Which cabbage soup diet are you referring to. There are several diets that are called cabbage soup diet. Some are actually sensible, despite what the name might suggest.
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lissa - 21 Aug 2006 16:48 GMT > > i'm new here- and need to get this diet started- gotta lose 90 lbs- > > again.(sigh) what about trying this cabbage soup thing to lose a few [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > inot sure which one i've seen- but it's got a lot of veggies in it and seems pretty nutritous. Kind of like the one my mom used to make- filling but veggies- you know- and I hated it as a kid, but actually enjoy now. I know you can't stay on it long, but just to see those numbers fall a bit would certainly cheer me up. thanks. lissa Ignoramus4235 - 21 Aug 2006 16:49 GMT >> > i'm new here- and need to get this diet started- gotta lose 90 lbs- >> > again.(sigh) what about trying this cabbage soup thing to lose a few [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> that are called cabbage soup diet. Some are actually sensible, despite >> what the name might suggest.
>inot sure which one i've seen- but it's got a lot of veggies in it and >seems pretty nutritous. Kind of like the one my mom used to make- >filling but veggies- you know- and I hated it as a kid, but actually >enjoy now. I know you can't stay on it long, but just to see those >numbers fall a bit would certainly cheer me up. thanks. lissa I think that it is good to find out something about a diet before starting it.
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lissa - 21 Aug 2006 17:05 GMT hmmm. didn't post- try again- it seems like there is a lot of veggies in it, kind of like what mom used to make, I know you can't stay on it, but just long wnough to see those numbers move a bit- you know? lissa
KR - 23 Aug 2006 13:41 GMT Is there meat in it?? Or beans? Or some sort of protein???
It just doesn't sound healthy. You need fat, carbohydrates and protein every day, preferably at every meal. If you aren't getting it you aren't eating healthy. Is losing weight in an unhealthy manner really what you want just to have it all come back again?
If you eat better you will see the numbers move a bit fairly quickly at first, especially if you are 90 lbs over weight.
KR
> hmmm. didn't post- try again- it seems like there is a lot of veggies > in it, kind of like what mom used to make, I know you can't stay on it, > but just long wnough to see those numbers move a bit- you know? > lissa Ignoramus18055 - 23 Aug 2006 14:32 GMT > Is there meat in it?? Or beans? Or some sort of protein??? > > It just doesn't sound healthy. You need fat, carbohydrates and protein > every day, preferably at every meal. If you aren't getting it you > aren't eating healthy. Is losing weight in an unhealthy manner really > what you want just to have it all come back again? The name "cabbage soup diet" sounds very inane.
There are possibly several diets called cabbage soup diet, and some are not that senseless. See
http://www.aboutcabbagesoupdiet.com/
That's a not so unreasonable diet that provides an eating plan for seven days.
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> If you eat better you will see the numbers move a bit fairly quickly at > first, especially if you are 90 lbs over weight. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> but just long wnough to see those numbers move a bit- you know? >> lissa lissa - 23 Aug 2006 15:19 GMT You all have some very sensible suggestions, and I appreciate the postings. Looks like alot of you are really doing well on your own weight loss goals- that's encouraging! lissa
oregonchick - 21 Aug 2006 17:48 GMT >> > i'm new here- and need to get this diet started- gotta lose 90 lbs- >> > again.(sigh) what about trying this cabbage soup thing to lose a few [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> enjoy now. I know you can't stay on it long, but just to see those >> numbers fall a bit would certainly cheer me up. thanks. lissa Veggies are very healthy and filling. If you want to try it, could you couple it with some lean protein, so you don't lose a bunch of muscle at the same time? Good options would be lowfat cottage cheese, nonfat milk, protein powder, grilled chicken breasts or tuna...
Maybe you already knew this, but muscle is what drives our metabolism. The more muscle, the more calories we burn. If you lose a bunch of muscle, your metabolism slows down. Regular exercise also stimulates the metabolism. That is why I put the emphasis on protein. A veggie fast, which is what the cabbage soup diet is, will not spare your muscle, but coupled with adequate protein and some exercise, it may be quite healthy.
Betsy
lissa - 21 Aug 2006 17:53 GMT that's some good advie oregon chick- thanks you for taking the time to post it. I figure I should be able to do it in a year- but i'm not as motivated as last time- I needed to lose it to have a baby-hubbie's rule. But I am happier with myself in general so I think I might be able to do a better job of keeping it off. Also I lost it really fast last time- 65 pounds in 4 1/2 months- and lost my gall bladder. think I'd like to do it slower this tme. A year, year and a half- as long as I start to feel better. lissa
bunker90@hotmail.com - 21 Aug 2006 23:55 GMT > i'm new here- and need to get this diet started- gotta lose 90 lbs- > again.(sigh) what about trying this cabbage soup thing to lose a few > and get things moving. thoughts? thanks > lissa I dont much like the idea of anything that concentrates on one particular food, especially if it happens to be cabbage soup.... eeewwww! Surely it isnt sustainable for very long, I would expect that you'd lose weight though, more out of lack of intrest in eating than anything else. Why do you think it is necessary? Why not just restrict your caloric intake to 1200 or 1500 per day and exercise accordingly? Sensible eating and exercise is the only way to get long term results. Cabbage soup is not a lifestyle change.
bunker90@hotmail.com - 22 Aug 2006 00:06 GMT > i'm new here- and need to get this diet started- gotta lose 90 lbs- > again.(sigh) what about trying this cabbage soup thing to lose a few > and get things moving. thoughts? thanks > lissa I dont much like the idea of anything that concentrates on one particular food, especially if it happens to be cabbage soup.... eeewwww! Surely it isnt sustainable for very long, I would expect that you'd lose weight though, more out of lack of intrest in eating than anything else. Why do you think it is necessary? Why not just restrict your caloric intake to 1200 or 1500 per day and exercise accordingly? Sensible eating and exercise is the only way to get long term results. Cabbage soup is not a lifestyle change.
Patricia Heil - 22 Aug 2006 00:15 GMT > i'm new here- and need to get this diet started- gotta lose 90 lbs- > again.(sigh) what about trying this cabbage soup thing to lose a few > and get things moving. thoughts? thanks > lissa Don't do it. You'll get bored, you'll quit, you'll feel like a failure when you're not, and all the weight will come back.
Exercise, eat right, get your fluids and your sleep.
lissa - 22 Aug 2006 02:03 GMT thank you everyone for such thoughtfful and supportive posts. Very good points being posted- yes I blew the maintenance, and I sort of know why- so that helps, and I do want to do it in a sustainable way- since I'll be losing alot longer this time. But I figure I did it before I can surely do it again, just got to cement my reasons firmly in my mind. thank you agaain lissa
Dick Adams - 22 Aug 2006 04:06 GMT > i'm new here- and need to get this diet started- gotta lose 90 lbs- > again.(sigh) what about trying this cabbage soup thing to lose a few > and get things moving. thoughts? thanks I understand the need to get started. But fad diets are not on my list of starters.
Dick
loventhislyfe - 22 Aug 2006 17:53 GMT Fish + lean protein + veggies + nuts + some fruit = lean
Starting weight: 186 size :18 Current weight: 114 size: 3 Goal Weight: anythiing under 128 lbs
Nicely maintaining since August 200
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Diva - 22 Aug 2006 15:40 GMT > i'm new here- and need to get this diet started- gotta lose 90 lbs- > again.(sigh) what about trying this cabbage soup thing to lose a few > and get things moving. thoughts? thanks > lissa I doubt you will find one sensible advocate of the star-with-a-fart crash diet.
Diva
lissa - 22 Aug 2006 16:11 GMT that's funny- lol- thanks lissa
oregonchick - 22 Aug 2006 17:57 GMT > that's funny- lol- thanks > lissa Lissa, look up "protein sparing modified fast". I think that I am going to try this. It addresses my specific concerns about losing muscle while fasting. Although I only plan to do it for 2 weeks or so. I will post my results weekly. I just started it today. At the risk of being flamed for fasting, I will probably not go too into detail unless somebody asks me specific questions.
Betsy
zzzxtreme@yahoo.com - 24 Aug 2006 06:15 GMT u cannot ignore the effectiveness of grapefruit i drink florida's natural ruby red i drink 6-7Liters weekly
drinking only juice (orange,mango, guava etc...) for dinner/supper works very quickly normally 1.5Litres to force myself to be ful
> i'm new here- and need to get this diet started- gotta lose 90 lbs- > again.(sigh) what about trying this cabbage soup thing to lose a few > and get things moving. thoughts? thanks > lissa Phil M. - 27 Aug 2006 19:02 GMT > drinking only juice (orange,mango, guava etc...) for dinner/supper > works very quickly normally 1.5Litres to force myself to be ful By limiting your diet to a specific category of food, you're also limiting the nutrients to what those foods contain. No food has it all. You need to vary your diet to make sure you cover the full spectrum of nutrients that the human body needs in order to maintain a healthy life.
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Jessica - 27 Aug 2006 23:50 GMT > By limiting your diet to a specific category of food, you're also limiting > the nutrients to what those foods contain. No food has it all. You need to > vary your diet to make sure you cover the full spectrum of nutrients that > the human body needs in order to maintain a healthy life. Not only that, the food that we eat nowadays is very low in nutrients and to really achieve optimum nutrition we should introduce good quality supplements in our healthy diet
Jessica
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Phil M. - 28 Aug 2006 00:35 GMT jessy74@gmail.com wrote:
>> By limiting your diet to a specific category of food, you're also >> limiting the nutrients to what those foods contain. No food has it [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > and to really achieve optimum nutrition we should introduce good > quality supplements in our healthy diet. Any tips on good places to get supplements?
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The Queen of Cans and Jars - 28 Aug 2006 00:53 GMT > jessy74@gmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Any tips on good places to get supplements? Hee!
Phil M. - 28 Aug 2006 00:59 GMT dhrravr@ohatzhapu.bet wrote:
>> jessy74@gmail.com wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Hee! Shhhh... I'm undercover.
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Lá~ká~ Wáná - 28 Aug 2006 02:10 GMT > Not only that, the food that we eat nowadays is very low in nutrients and > to really achieve optimum nutrition we should introduce good quality > supplements in our healthy diet You can find just about any Nutrient you want or need at Wal*Mart, and cheaper than anywhere else I know of. There's a quick turnover so you know they're fresh.
LW Re-Start - 7/5/06 - 170lbs Today - 156 lbs Goal - 130 lbs Height: 5'6" Female. Age: 61 Don't worry about what people think, they don't do it very often. ===================================
pat - 29 Aug 2006 11:50 GMT Are you serious? Do you really mean that all the fruit & veg in the produce dept at my local grocery stores & farmers markets are low in nutrients and I must buy some costly suppplements to include in my diet? I take a multivitamin every day.
I suppose those advertised in your sig would an excellent choice, right?
> Not only that, the food that we eat nowadays is very low in nutrients > and to really achieve optimum nutrition we should introduce good > quality supplements in our healthy diet > > Jessica -- -------------------------------------- Tired of being tired all the time? Would you like to have more energy? Then buy USANA excellent vitamins and minerals www.nutritionals4health.usana.com
I don't think so..
Cherry-o - 31 Aug 2006 05:05 GMT lissa Wrote:
> i'm new here- and need to get this diet started- gotta lose 90 lbs- > again.(sigh) what about trying this cabbage soup thing to lose a few > and get things moving. thoughts? thanks > lissa Try getting "A Week in the Zone." by Barry Sears. I think it work wonders.
Cherry-
-- Cherry-o
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